Hi Can anyone point me to a "Last Post.wav" on the web? Have found some Reveille.wav's but this is not quite the full thing. Thanks Viv ,-._|\ Viv Martin, PO Box 341, Mentone, Victoria, Australia 3194 / Oz \ Ph.03 9583 5372 ~ Mobile 0419 310 235. Member of \_,--.x/ Melbourne PC User Group Inc.,CAV,AIGS,GSV,Martin FHS, v various world FHS. Accredited Quicken Trainer of the Year 2002. .

Hi Does anyone have the web address for the excellent British Army site owned by Terry? Mills? Thanks Kerrie

Perhaps you mean T(odd).F.Mills' site "Land Forces of Britain, the Empire and Commonwealth" - http://www.regiments.org/milhist/index.htm It's the best resource on the net for such in any case. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Web site > Hi > > Does anyone have the web address for the excellent British Army site owned by Terry? Mills? > > Thanks > Kerrie

Re a relative I cannot find any other details of ( even AWM have trouble ) MULVIHILL Thomas Patrick, 3 NSW Imperial Bushmen, No. 2340 Rank - trooper. No departure date to the Boer War but apparently he did return August 1902. Can anyone help me with this.With thanks, Anne ( nee Mulvihill )

Just for the folks who are curious about the cyclists. First of all, the cycles in question were bicycles not motorcycles. The British New Army establishment that the AIF was reorganised under in 1916 provided for a company of cyclists for each division. When they got to France, they were reorganised as corps troops, with a battalion for each corps. There were two ANZACs at this time, hence two corps. The cyclist battalions were organised like infantry, with four companies of four platoons. When II ANZAC became XXII Corps in 1917, the Australian cyclists of the 2nd Cyclist Battalion returned to the Australian Corps as reinforcements. The cyclists were mainly used as despatch riders. During semi-open warfare periods in 1917 and 1918, they operated similar to cavalry. A brigade column in an advance would have cyclists attached. They weren't as mobile or flexible as cavalry, but didn't cost as much to maintain either. Ross Mike Boyd wrote: >Sandy >IN Bean's Volume 3, AIF in France 1916, p 967 it has the Cycle Bn under >Mounted Troops for 1 ANZAC Corps and 2 ANZAC {Later XXII) Corps with their >own colour patch. > >It did get 2 mentions in the Index, so you may find something about in in >any publication on the reorganisation of the AIF in early 1916 in Egypt. > >MY GUESS is that they were a Corps troops to be used in any brake through by >the Corps Divisions. This did not happen on the Western Front until >Monash's campaign in 1918. Perhaps others may know if they were used then >or not. > >Mike Boyd -- ---- First AIF Order of Battle: http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/

Sandy IN Bean's Volume 3, AIF in France 1916, p 967 it has the Cycle Bn under Mounted Troops for 1 ANZAC Corps and 2 ANZAC {Later XXII) Corps with their own colour patch. It did get 2 mentions in the Index, so you may find something about in in any publication on the reorganisation of the AIF in early 1916 in Egypt. MY GUESS is that they were a Corps troops to be used in any brake through by the Corps Divisions. This did not happen on the Western Front until Monash's campaign in 1918. Perhaps others may know if they were used then or not. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence MacIsaac" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI > I am in the early stages of researching the military service of three of my > father's first cousins who served in the Australian Imperial Force during > World War I. One of these men first served in the Australian 4th Light > Horse and then was transferred to the 1st ANZAC Cyclist Battalion in 1916. > I am having difficulty locating any information about the activities of the > ANZAC Cyclist Battalions. I have found one small page on the internet which > implies that "the unit was a complete failure" which "never served in the > front line as a fighting unit". > > Since my ancestor who served in the 1st Cyclist Battlion, according to his > AIF service record, continued to serve in France until February 1919, I am > curious about the nature of the duties in which he would have been involved. > There is no description on his service record of his activities from the > date of his posting to the Reorganized 1st Cyclist Battalion on 9 July 1916 > to 15 September 1917. His record indicates that in September 1917 he was > "attached to A Coy for police duty", following which he "rejoined Leicester > Regt (Pioneers)". The only Leicester Regiment that I can find was within > the British Army (not the AIF). > > I would like to learn more about the activities of the 1st Cyclist > Battalion, as well as the transfer of its members to other units. Can > someone please direct me to some detailed source of information (either in > print or on the internet) about the 1st Cyclist Battalion? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. > > Sandy Gratton > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm >

Sincerest thanks to everyone who responded to my query. I have enough interesting leads to keep me busy for a while! Sandy Gratton

As an off-chance it might be worth looking for references in material to do with the British Cyclist Regiment. It is not uncommon for other Dominion outfits to be mentioned in Regimental histories etc. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI > Sandy > IN Bean's Volume 3, AIF in France 1916, p 967 it has the Cycle Bn under > Mounted Troops for 1 ANZAC Corps and 2 ANZAC {Later XXII) Corps with their > own colour patch. > > It did get 2 mentions in the Index, so you may find something about in in > any publication on the reorganisation of the AIF in early 1916 in Egypt. > > MY GUESS is that they were a Corps troops to be used in any brake through by > the Corps Divisions. This did not happen on the Western Front until > Monash's campaign in 1918. Perhaps others may know if they were used then > or not. > > Mike Boyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lawrence MacIsaac" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:52 AM > Subject: ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI > > > > I am in the early stages of researching the military service of three of > my > > father's first cousins who served in the Australian Imperial Force during > > World War I. One of these men first served in the Australian 4th Light > > Horse and then was transferred to the 1st ANZAC Cyclist Battalion in 1916. > > I am having difficulty locating any information about the activities of > the > > ANZAC Cyclist Battalions. I have found one small page on the internet > which > > implies that "the unit was a complete failure" which "never served in the > > front line as a fighting unit". > > > > Since my ancestor who served in the 1st Cyclist Battlion, according to his > > AIF service record, continued to serve in France until February 1919, I am > > curious about the nature of the duties in which he would have been > involved. > > There is no description on his service record of his activities from the > > date of his posting to the Reorganized 1st Cyclist Battalion on 9 July > 1916 > > to 15 September 1917. His record indicates that in September 1917 he was > > "attached to A Coy for police duty", following which he "rejoined > Leicester > > Regt (Pioneers)". The only Leicester Regiment that I can find was within > > the British Army (not the AIF). > > > > I would like to learn more about the activities of the 1st Cyclist > > Battalion, as well as the transfer of its members to other units. Can > > someone please direct me to some detailed source of information (either in > > print or on the internet) about the 1st Cyclist Battalion? Any help will > be > > greatly appreciated. > > > > Sandy Gratton

>From : Lawrence MacIsaac <[email protected]> To : >[email protected] Subject : ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI Date : > Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:52:06 -0500 >I am in the early stages of researching the military service of three >of >my father's first cousins who served in the Australian Imperial >Force >during World War I. One of these men first served in the >Australian 4th >Light Horse and then was transferred to the 1st ANZAC >Cyclist Battalion in >1916. >I am having difficulty locating any information about the activities >of >the ANZAC Cyclist Battalions. I have found one small page on the >internet >which implies that "the unit was a complete failure" >which "never served >in the front line as a fighting unit". >Since my ancestor who served in the 1st Cyclist Battlion, according to >his >AIF service record, continued to serve in France until February >1919, I am >curious about the nature of the duties in which he would >have been >involved. There is no description on his service record of >his activities >from the date of his posting to the Reorganized 1st >Cyclist Battalion on 9 >July 1916 to 15 September 1917. His record >indicates that in September >1917 he was "attached to A Coy for police >duty", following which he >"rejoined Leicester Regt (Pioneers)". The >only Leicester Regiment that I >can find was within the British Army >(not the AIF). >I would like to learn more about the activities of the 1st Cyclist >Battalion, as well as the transfer of its members to other units. Can >someone please direct me to some detailed source of information (either in >print or on the internet) about the 1st Cyclist Battalion? >Any help will >be greatly appreciated. Sandy Gratton Hi Sandy, I found some very interesting reading on an earlier Cyclist Battalion which went to the South African War in a journal called "Australian Cyclist and Motor Car World". They published letters from Cycling Club members in this journal, and there were occasional reports from other sources. You might get some unofficial background from this source. I saw the journal in the State Library of Victoria. Best wishes Lenore Frost Essendon, Vic http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/ See details of my new book: "Essendon and the Boer War, with letters from the veldt, 1899-1902" http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/bookshop.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-a-l-horse/cyclist.htm will a little bit of help ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence MacIsaac" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI > I am in the early stages of researching the military service of three of my > father's first cousins who served in the Australian Imperial Force during > World War I. One of these men first served in the Australian 4th Light > Horse and then was transferred to the 1st ANZAC Cyclist Battalion in 1916. > I am having difficulty locating any information about the activities of the > ANZAC Cyclist Battalions. I have found one small page on the internet which > implies that "the unit was a complete failure" which "never served in the > front line as a fighting unit". > > Since my ancestor who served in the 1st Cyclist Battlion, according to his > AIF service record, continued to serve in France until February 1919, I am > curious about the nature of the duties in which he would have been involved. > There is no description on his service record of his activities from the > date of his posting to the Reorganized 1st Cyclist Battalion on 9 July 1916 > to 15 September 1917. His record indicates that in September 1917 he was > "attached to A Coy for police duty", following which he "rejoined Leicester > Regt (Pioneers)". The only Leicester Regiment that I can find was within > the British Army (not the AIF). > > I would like to learn more about the activities of the 1st Cyclist > Battalion, as well as the transfer of its members to other units. Can > someone please direct me to some detailed source of information (either in > print or on the internet) about the 1st Cyclist Battalion? Any help will be > greatly appreciated. > > Sandy Gratton >

I read a detailed article on Australian Cycle battalions in a recent issue of "Sabretache", the journal of the Australian Military History Association. Worth a look. regards Roger Beckett -----Original Message----- From: Lenore Frost [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 April 2003 04:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI >From : Lawrence MacIsaac <[email protected]> To : >[email protected] Subject : ANZAC Cyclist Battalions WWI Date : > Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:52:06 -0500 >I am in the early stages of researching the military service of three >of >my father's first cousins who served in the Australian Imperial >Force >during World War I. One of these men first served in the >Australian 4th >Light Horse and then was transferred to the 1st ANZAC >Cyclist Battalion in >1916. >I am having difficulty locating any information about the activities >of >the ANZAC Cyclist Battalions. I have found one small page on the >internet >which implies that "the unit was a complete failure" >which "never served >in the front line as a fighting unit". >Since my ancestor who served in the 1st Cyclist Battlion, according to >his >AIF service record, continued to serve in France until February >1919, I am >curious about the nature of the duties in which he would >have been >involved. There is no description on his service record of >his activities >from the date of his posting to the Reorganized 1st >Cyclist Battalion on 9 >July 1916 to 15 September 1917. His record >indicates that in September >1917 he was "attached to A Coy for police >duty", following which he >"rejoined Leicester Regt (Pioneers)". The >only Leicester Regiment that I >can find was within the British Army >(not the AIF). >I would like to learn more about the activities of the 1st Cyclist >Battalion, as well as the transfer of its members to other units. Can >someone please direct me to some detailed source of information (either in >print or on the internet) about the 1st Cyclist Battalion? >Any help will >be greatly appreciated. Sandy Gratton Hi Sandy, I found some very interesting reading on an earlier Cyclist Battalion which went to the South African War in a journal called "Australian Cyclist and Motor Car World". They published letters from Cycling Club members in this journal, and there were occasional reports from other sources. You might get some unofficial background from this source. I saw the journal in the State Library of Victoria. Best wishes Lenore Frost Essendon, Vic http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/ See details of my new book: "Essendon and the Boer War, with letters from the veldt, 1899-1902" http://www.members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/bookshop.html _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html

Hi Peter 23rd Infantry Battalion (Victoria) [6th Infantry Brigade] Formed Victoria February 1915. Departed Melbourne Euripides 8 May 1915. 1st Reinforcement departed Melbourne Euripides 8 May 1915, 2nd Reinforcements departed Melbourne Demosthenes 16 July 1915, 3rd Reinforcements departed Melbourne Anchises taken from http://www.unsw.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/ Bookmark this site as it is a real gem! 16 October 1915 - taken on strength means he was officially with the battalion so that would be somewhere on the Gallipoli peninsula - check the Official War History by C E W Bean to see exact location at that time. last listing 10 January 1916 disembarked at Alexandria Egypt from the port of Mudros Hope this helps Jan -----Original Message----- From: Peter and Elizabeth Pidgeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 2:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Place ANZAC in WW 1 service file I have the service file of one Richard Thomas COOKE. He was a member of the 23rd Battalion (3rd reinforcements). - and would later lose his life on the Somme in 1916. I would like some advice regarding interpreting some of his service file please. Part of his file reads: Embarked at Melbourne per H.M.A.T. "Anchesis" on 26/8/15. I believe this to be an error and should be ANCHISSES. Would anyone agree? 16/10/1915 he was "taken on strength" at place - ANZAC - Is this Anzac Cove - Gallipoli? The 23rd Battalion was already there. This is followed by 10/1/1916 Nom Roll Disembarked ex Mudros ALEXANDRIA - Was this in Egypt? I have already done some research on this soldier and as a result have been asked to speak about him at an Anzac day ceremony. I am reviewing my initial article and enlarging upon it. I would also welcome any advice from anyone who has spoken at an Anzac day ceremony before. Many thanks, Kind Regards, Elizabeth Pidgeon Eltham, Victoria, Australia Looking for Australian Women's Weekly covers painted by WEP 1930's to 1950's http://www.wepidgeon.com/ Please visit our web site at http://www.pidgeon.info/ Research Names: http://www.perthdps.com/research/pid01.html ______________________________

Listers are invited to help identify the badges and medals listed on http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-uniforms/id-wizard.htm One is Australian Army Medical Corps Another is a foreign medal similar to a German Iron Cross Ted

I am in the early stages of researching the military service of three of my father's first cousins who served in the Australian Imperial Force during World War I. One of these men first served in the Australian 4th Light Horse and then was transferred to the 1st ANZAC Cyclist Battalion in 1916. I am having difficulty locating any information about the activities of the ANZAC Cyclist Battalions. I have found one small page on the internet which implies that "the unit was a complete failure" which "never served in the front line as a fighting unit". Since my ancestor who served in the 1st Cyclist Battlion, according to his AIF service record, continued to serve in France until February 1919, I am curious about the nature of the duties in which he would have been involved. There is no description on his service record of his activities from the date of his posting to the Reorganized 1st Cyclist Battalion on 9 July 1916 to 15 September 1917. His record indicates that in September 1917 he was "attached to A Coy for police duty", following which he "rejoined Leicester Regt (Pioneers)". The only Leicester Regiment that I can find was within the British Army (not the AIF). I would like to learn more about the activities of the 1st Cyclist Battalion, as well as the transfer of its members to other units. Can someone please direct me to some detailed source of information (either in print or on the internet) about the 1st Cyclist Battalion? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Sandy Gratton

The Medical Corps insignia are termed 'bullion'; I've never come across any reference to any term for this work other than embroidery. The following site will be of interest: Hand & Lock Website. Supplying Gold lace and embroidery since 1767 we are the longest established Gold-lacemen & Embroiderers in the world. http://www.hand-embroidery.co.uk/frame.htm Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val Harris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Medal & badge help please > Listers are invited to help identify the badges and medals listed on > > http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-uniforms/id-wizard.htm > > One is Australian Army Medical Corps > > Another is a foreign medal similar to a German Iron Cross > > Ted

Peter and Elizabeth Pidgeon wrote: >I have the service file of one Richard Thomas COOKE. He was a member of the >23rd Battalion (3rd reinforcements). - and would later lose his life on the >Somme in 1916. The fate of many of the original 23rd Battalion, I'm afraid. Some 476 men of the 23rd were killed or wounded in just two weeks. >I would like some advice regarding interpreting some of his >service file please. > >Part of his file reads: > >Embarked at Melbourne per H.M.A.T. "Anchesis" on 26/8/15. I believe this to >be an error and should be ANCHISSES. Would anyone agree? Yes. One company of the 23rd travelled on the ill-fated Southland, which was torpedoed en route to Gallipoli. >16/10/1915 he was "taken on strength" at place - ANZAC - Is this Anzac >Cove - Gallipoli? Anzac meant the Cove and the Corps but also the entire position itself. That is what is meant here. The physical place where this occurred could have been on the beach but given the date more likely in one of the gullies. Ocean and Brighton Beaches were in use at this time as well as Anzac Cove. >The 23rd Battalion was already there. > >This is followed by > >10/1/1916 Nom Roll Disembarked ex Mudros ALEXANDRIA - Was this in Egypt? Yes. Alexandria was the main port in Egypt used by the forces at Gallipoli, and the main base of the expedition. Mudros was the forward port on the Greek Island of Lemnos.

I have the service file of one Richard Thomas COOKE. He was a member of the 23rd Battalion (3rd reinforcements). - and would later lose his life on the Somme in 1916. I would like some advice regarding interpreting some of his service file please. Part of his file reads: Embarked at Melbourne per H.M.A.T. "Anchesis" on 26/8/15. I believe this to be an error and should be ANCHISSES. Would anyone agree? 16/10/1915 he was "taken on strength" at place - ANZAC - Is this Anzac Cove - Gallipoli? The 23rd Battalion was already there. This is followed by 10/1/1916 Nom Roll Disembarked ex Mudros ALEXANDRIA - Was this in Egypt? I have already done some research on this soldier and as a result have been asked to speak about him at an Anzac day ceremony. I am reviewing my initial article and enlarging upon it. I would also welcome any advice from anyone who has spoken at an Anzac day ceremony before. Many thanks, Kind Regards, Elizabeth Pidgeon Eltham, Victoria, Australia Looking for Australian Women's Weekly covers painted by WEP 1930's to 1950's http://www.wepidgeon.com/ Please visit our web site at http://www.pidgeon.info/ Research Names: http://www.perthdps.com/research/pid01.html

Viv Martin wrote: >Hi > >Am gradually expanding my list(s) of abbreviations >but am tripped up with: > > G.R.O. A.567/42 > (General Regimental Order ?????) General Routine Order > D.M.T. > a film produced (on Anti-V.D.) in technicolour > by the Royal Canadian Air Force and issued by D.M.T. > (Director Military/Medical Training) ????? Director of Military Training

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Hi Am gradually expanding my list(s) of abbreviations but am tripped up with: G.R.O. A.567/42 (General Regimental Order ?????) D.M.T. a film produced (on Anti-V.D.) in technicolour by the Royal Canadian Air Force and issued by D.M.T. (Director Military/Medical Training) ????? Any knowledgeable people in this area. Kind regards Viv ,-._|\ Viv Martin, PO Box 341, Mentone, Victoria, Australia 3194 / Oz \ Ph.03 9583 5372 ~ Mobile 0419 310 235. Member of \_,--.x/ Melbourne PC User Group Inc.,CAV,AIGS,GSV,Martin FHS, v various world FHS. Accredited Quicken Trainer of the Year 2002. .