As another Anzac Day passes can SKS please help me with the origins of the following: "Remember always how much you owe to them and try to do as much for the Empire in your own day as they have done in theirs." Edward P. Who was 'Edward P'? Edward, Prince of Wales perhaps? And may that which you seek be found Dean Newman, North Queensland Australia. "As time goes by" [email protected] "While I live I grow"

Dear Listers apologies for cross posting In keeping with the spirit and memory of Anzac Day I have added and updated following pages on the Mackay Historical Society and Museum Inc.Research Website for local war memorials. pages updated http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/war_memorials.html http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/pleystowe_avenue.html added these new pages http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/finch_hatton.html http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/walkerston_gates.html http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/walkerston_school.html http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/pleystowe_hb.html http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/war_memorials/walkerston_palms.html Cheers from Glen Hall Assistant Research Officer Mackay Historical Society and Museum Inc. Po Box 1349, MACKAY QLD 4740. email: [email protected] our website: http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/research/research.html

This series relating to Australians in various conflicts has not been able to be accessed for some time. I recently found that it is included in the web site Land Forces of Britain the Empire and Commonwealth (regiments.org). If you search in Australia and then Divisions you will find the series. Hope this is of help Vic.Swanson

I have looked at Peter Chausseaud's 'The Topography of Armageddon'. The book does include three extracts from the Ploegstreert 1/000 map (28SW4). Unfortunately none of these include the part of the map that you are interested in. You will need either a copy of the map or access to the Imperial War Museum CD-ROM of trench maps. The map reference reads; The sheet title - in your case 28 SW4 Then the 6000 yard square indicated by a letter ('8') then the 1000 yard square within the 6000 yard square given by a letter ('A') and within that square the reference is 5/10 along from west to east and 3.5/10 up from south to north. I do not know of an easy way to convert trench map references to latitude and longitude. It would be very useful if it could be done - we could have g.p.s. guided battlefield walks. Hope this helps Roger Beckett (in UK) -----Original Message----- From: Eldon R J (Don) Bryant [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 April 2003 11:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: " WWI Map ref. " Sorry, original E-mail sent from incorrect AUS-MILITARY subscriber E-mail address and therefore was not accepted into the AUS-MILITARY Mailing List!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant" <[email protected]> To: "AUSTRALIAN MILITARY Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 21 April 2003 16:35 Subject: " W.W.I Map ref. " > Belated Easter Greetings to list readers from Townsville, Oz. > > I am currently completing the transcription of six (6) personal W.W.I > diaries kept by a Lieutenant Lyell Keith SWANN MM, some details > as follows; > > "" Some time back I inherited his diaries which consist of daily hand > written entries, newspaper cuttings and photographs spanning the years > March 1916 to November 1918. The entries relate up until the previous > day ( 13/11/1918 ) of his flying death whilst taking off with a flight > patrol at 11 a.m. on 14 November 1918 when he was seen to spin at > about 300 feet. > > He crashed to the ground and was taken to 63rd C.C.S. where he died at 10 > p.m. the same night, fractured Bone and internal injuries. > > Aerodrome. Grande Ennehierres: near LILLE. > > Buried at "ASCQ" Cemetery by Hospital Chaplain. > > Map reference TOURNAI.5. > > ( Some of above details were extracted from a copy of ' STATEMENT D.16. > signed by W.J. COOPER. Capt. for O.C. 4th A.F.C. ) > > Lyell Keith SWANN Enlisted in the AIF 14/03/1916 in Adelaide, South > Australia with the rank of Private, Number 2156. > > Left Australia on the boat " ANCHINES " 28/08/1916. > > Arrived England 11/10/1916. > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > " C " Co > 40th Battalion No 8 Camp, Lark Hill > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > 3rd Reinforcements > 43rd Battalion. AIF > > Graduated for A.F.C. Pilot > Category A July 30th 1918 > Category B October, 23rd 1918 > > Awarded the Military Medal for Conspicuous Gallantry at Messines > 29/06/1917 > > Received his commission July 1, 1917. > > Last entry in diary six (6) he was flying to Ostende from Ennetieres > ( approx. 9 klm from Lille ). Landed at Froidmont near Tournai. > > Last diary entry reads: " " 13th NOVEMBER 1918 - OUR ACTING FLIGHT > COMMANDER HELLER TOOK MOXHAM & I FOR A FORMATION FLIP. > WE WERE GOING UP TO OSTEND BUT HELLER HAD TO LAND NEAR > WERVING SO WE SET OFF FOR HOME. HOWEVER WHEN WE HAD > ONLY GONE A FEW MILES WE LANDED AT AN AERODROME AT > LINSELLES TO PROCURE ASSISTANCE FOR HIM. AFTER HAVING > SOME TEA THERE WE TOOK OFF & SET FOR HOME. > > WE MISSED THE DROME THOUGH & HAD TO LAND > AT FROIDMONT NEAR TOURNAI. STAYED WITH THE > 21st R.A.F. SQUADRON ALL NIGHT & RETURNED > NEXT MORNING. THE TERMS OF THE ARMISTACE > ARE GREAT & I DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT > WE'LL HAVE TO STOUSH UP AGAIN. STAN HOWARD > JOINED UP AGAIN TODAY. "" > > > >>>>>>>>NOW FOR THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS MESSAGE POSTING... > > > The ' Sunday Mail ' newspaper, Brisbane ( Page 6 April 20, 2003 ) > contained an editorial W.W.I DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND and the > ' Townsville Bulletin ' newspaper ( Page 32 Monday, April 21, 2003 ) > contained an editorial DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND IN FRANCE. > > A lengthly entry in the Swann diaries 7th June 1917 makes reference > to four (4) soldiers being killed, gives two (2) of the killed soldiers > names, burial details etc etc and a map reference and I quote; > > Map ref. approx. Ploegsteert 1/10,000. 28. S.W.4. Edition 4.8. 8.A. > 5 - 3.50. > > What I need to know from some knowledgeable person, is the conversion of > the above Map ref. to today's Latitude and Longitude to compare with Lat. > / Long. information procured via the Internet and as follows: > > > HAZEBROUCK ( France ) > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > Long 2 degree 31' 60 East > > PLOEGSTEERT ( Belgium ) > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > Long 2 degree 52' 60 East > > I am rather excited at the prospects of clarification coming from someone > and on the eve of ANZAC day too! > > Yours in anticipation, > > Eldon Bryant........ > > > GREETINGS FROM TOWNSVILLE; > > Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant > J.P. (C.dec) QJA Life Member > " Villa Pamphili " > 7 Hibiscus Street > Cranbrook. 4814. Queensland. AUSTRALIA. > > Telephone: (07) 4775 6579. > Facsimile: (07) 4775 3579. > E-mail: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > GENEALOGISTS HAVE GREAT-GREAT-GREAT RELATIONS. > > ............ END OF SIGNATURE ............ > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Apply to the Maps Curator for a copy of the map referred to and then you can probably define the area by topographical details on another map with Long & Lat. Good Luck John

I am looking for information on the liberation of the POW's at Changi - in particular an incident when an American plane dropped bombs on the camp hitting a tank and killing men who were standing nearby. I need to find out the names of those men as one of them was my husband's grandfather. He had joined up under an assumed name and were it not for the fact that one of his brothers was also a POW at the time no one would have know what had happened to him Regards Lynette Rabbitt E-mail [email protected]

Below, is a reply received from the Australian War Memorial re above Subject:.. Would any Mailing List reader happen to possess or have access to any of the listed works by Peter Chasseaud and be prepared to do a little research into the Map ref.. Eldon Bryant............... ----- Original Message ----- From: "info ISS Information" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2003 14:59 Subject: Re: Fw: " WWI Map ref. " > Dear Mr Bryant, > > Thank you for your email regarding the map references to the bodies > found in France. > > I have checked with my maps curator and the maps that are referred to > in your email do not have any latitude and longitude references on them, > just gridlines. Neither of use can translate these references into > longitude and latitude. I have been unable to find someone in the > Memorial who can help me. The only thing I can suggest is to check Peter > Chasseaud's works, which may have some information that can help you. > The details of some of his work are below. > > > 1/Detail > Author: Chasseaud, Peter.; > Title: Topography of Armageddon : a British trench map atlas of the > western front, 1914-1918 / by Peter Chasseaud ; [preface by Alan > Sillitoe]. > Date: 1991. > Subject: World War, 1914-1918 - Campaigns - Western Front - > Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - Trench warfare - Maps.;Military topography > - Europe - Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - Cartography - History.; > Doc Type: Monograph > > 2/Detail > Author: Chasseaud, Peter.; > Title: Trench maps : a collector's guide. Vol.1 / by Peter Chasseaud. > > Date: c1986. > Subject: World War, 1914-1918 - Battlefields - France - Maps.; > Doc Type: Monograph > > 3/Detail > Author: Chasseaud, Peter.; > Title: Artillery's astrologers : a history of British survey & > mapping on the Western Front 1914-1918 / by Peter Chasseaud. > Date: 1999. > Subject: World War, 1914-1918 - Cartography - History.;World War, > 1914-1918 - Campaigns - Western Front - Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - > Battlefields - Maps.;World War, 1914-1918 - Trench warfare - Maps.; > Doc Type: Monograph > > I found quite a good website on maps of battle areas, but it may not go > into the detail you require - > http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/Atlas%20Page.htm . The > King's College Lidell Hart Centre for Military Archives holds a number > of maps from the First World War, including one of Hazebrouck - > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/lhcma/cats/mapsmisc66/xb80-01-.htm > > Good luck with your search. > > Yours Sincerely > Emma Jones > > > ****************************************************************** > > Information Services > Research Centre > Australian War Memorial > GPO Box 345 > CANBERRA ACT 2601 > > Phone: +61 2 6243 4315 > Fax: +61 2 6243 4545 > > Website: http//:www.awm.gov.au > > **************************************************************** > > >>> "Eldon R J (Don) Bryant" <[email protected]> 04/21/03 > 07:18pm >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant" <[email protected]> > To: "AUSTRALIAN MILITARY Mailing List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 21 April 2003 16:35 > Subject: " W.W.I Map ref. " > > > > Belated Easter Greetings to list readers from Townsville, Oz. > > > > I am currently completing the transcription of six (6) personal > W.W.I > > diaries kept by a Lieutenant Lyell Keith SWANN MM, some details > > as follows; > > > > "" Some time back I inherited his diaries which consist of daily > hand > > written entries, newspaper cuttings and photographs spanning the > years > > March 1916 to November 1918. The entries relate up until the > previous > > day ( 13/11/1918 ) of his flying death whilst taking off with a > flight > > patrol at 11 a.m. on 14 November 1918 when he was seen to spin at > > about 300 feet. > > > > He crashed to the ground and was taken to 63rd C.C.S. where he died > at 10 > > p.m. the same night, fractured Bone and internal injuries. > > > > Aerodrome. Grande Ennehierres: near LILLE. > > > > Buried at "ASCQ" Cemetery by Hospital Chaplain. > > > > Map reference TOURNAI.5. > > > > ( Some of above details were extracted from a copy of ' STATEMENT > D.16. > > signed by W.J. COOPER. Capt. for O.C. 4th A.F.C. ) > > > > Lyell Keith SWANN Enlisted in the AIF 14/03/1916 in Adelaide, > South > > Australia with the rank of Private, Number 2156. > > > > Left Australia on the boat " ANCHINES " 28/08/1916. > > > > Arrived England 11/10/1916. > > > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > > " C " Co > > 40th Battalion No 8 Camp, Lark Hill > > > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > > 3rd Reinforcements > > 43rd Battalion. AIF > > > > Graduated for A.F.C. Pilot > > Category A July 30th 1918 > > Category B October, 23rd 1918 > > > > Awarded the Military Medal for Conspicuous Gallantry at Messines > > 29/06/1917 > > > > Received his commission July 1, 1917. > > > > Last entry in diary six (6) he was flying to Ostende from Ennetieres > ( > > approx. 9 klm from Lille. Landed at Froidmont near Tournai. > > > > Last diary entry reads: " " 13th NOVEMBER 1918 - OUR ACTING FLIGHT > > COMMANDER HELLER TOOK MOXHAM & I FOR A FORMATION FLIP. > > WE WERE GOING UP TO OSTEND BUT HELLER HAD TO LAND NEAR > > WERVING SO WE SET OFF FOR HOME. HOWEVER WHEN WEHAD > > ONLY GONE A FEW MILES WE LANDED AT AN AERODROME AT > > LINSELLES TO PROCURE ASSISTANCE FOR HIM. AFTER HAVING > > SOME TEA THERE WE TOOK OFF & SET FOR HOME. > > > > WE MISSED THE DROME THOUGH & HAD TO LAND AT FROIDMONT > > NEAR TOURNAI. STAYED WITH THE 21st R.A.F. SQUADRON ALL > > NIGHT & RETURNED NEXT MORNING. THE TERMS OF THE > > ARMISTACE ARE GREAT & I DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT > > WE'LL HAVE TO STOUSH UP AGAIN. STAN HOWARD JOINED UP > > AGAIN TODAY. "" > > > > > > >>>>>>>>NOW FOR THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS MESSAGE POSTING... > > > > > > The ' Sunday Mail ' newspaper, Brisbane ( Page 6 April 20, 2003 ) > > contained an editorial W.W.I DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND and the > > ' Townsville Bulletin ' newspaper ( Page 32 Monday, April 21, 2003 > ) > > contained an editorial DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND IN FRANCE. > > > > A lengthly entry in the Swann diaries 7th June 1917 makes reference > to > > four (4) soldiers being killed, gives two (2) of the killed soldiers > > names, burial details etc etc and a map reference and I quote; > > > > Map ref. approx. Ploegsteert 1/10,000. 28. S.W.4. Edition 4.8. > 8.A. > > 5 - 3.50. > > > > What I need to know from some knowledgeable person, is the > conversion of > > the above Map ref. to today's Latitude and Longitude to compare with > Lat. > > / Long. information procured via the Internet and as follows: > > > > > > HAZEBROUCK ( France ) > > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > > Long 2 degree 31' 60 East > > > > PLOEGSTEERT ( Belgium ) > > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > > Long 2 degree 52' 60 East > > > > I am rather excited at the prospects of clarification coming from > someone > > and on the eve of ANZAC day too! > > > > Yours in anticipation, > > > > Eldon Bryant........ > > > > > > GREETINGS FROM TOWNSVILLE; > > > > Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant > > J.P. (C.dec) QJA Life Member > > " Villa Pamphili " > > 7 Hibiscus Street > > Cranbrook. 4814. Queensland. AUSTRALIA. > > > > Telephone: (07) 4775 6579. > > Facsimile: (07) 4775 3579. > > E-mail: [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > [email protected] > > > > GENEALOGISTS HAVE GREAT-GREAT-GREAT RELATIONS. > > > > ............ END OF SIGNATURE ............ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Vic, A publication put out by the Military History Society of Australia may be of help - : The Lineage of the Australian Army, Alfred N Festberg, Melbourne, 1972 ISBN 0 858870 24 X also, the Army Museum at Victoria Barracks, Sydney might be worth a try. Regards, Dave -- > > Subject: > > Land Forces of the Australian Colonies > From: > > "vrswanson" <[email protected]> > Date: > > Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:21:23 +1000 > To: > > [email protected] > > > I am seeking accurate information relating to the land military forces > raised by the Australian Colonies from 1788 to Federation......... >

Is there anyone on the list who could help me find out exactly where the 11/12 Rpts 2/3 Railway Construction Coy AIF were located in the Middle EAst from Aug 1942 to March 1943. My late dad served in this coy. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Denise Pianta

>>Minister for veterans' affairs >>Media Release Subscription Service >>VA30 Saturday 19 April 2003 >>aUSTRALIAN wwi REMAINS FOUND ON WESTERN FRONT >> >>The remains of four unknown Australian soldiers of the First AIF have been >>located near Hazebrouck, France, the Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Danna >>Vale said today. >> >>"Every effort is being made by the Australian Government to identify the >>names of these Australian soldiers," Mrs Vale said. >> >>"However, on the basis of artefacts recovered with the remains, >>identification seems, at this stage, most unlikely. >> >>"In the event that they are buried as unknown Australian soldiers, the >>Commonwealth War Graves Commission will arrange for burial in an appropriate >>war cemetery in France." >> >>Mrs Vale said Australia was an active member of the Commonwealth War Graves >>Commission, ensuring the soldiers would be buried with the dignity and >>honour they deserved. >> >>Hazebrouck, located near Dunkerque, was used as a casualty clearing station >>from 1914-17, until heavy German shelling and bombing caused its evacuation. >>During September and October 1918, a British Red Cross Hospital was >>stationed in the town. >> >>Fifty Australian World War I casualties are buried at Hazebrouck Communal >>Cemetery, although the final resting place of these four has not been >>finalised. >> >>"These four men made the ultimate sacrifice for their nation and they are >>remembered through their inclusion on one of the Commission Memorials to the >>Missing," the Minister said. >> >>This is the first discovery of missing Australian soldiers from World War I >>since the remains of Private Russell George Bosisto of the 27th Battalion >>were discovered near Pozieres in 1998. Private Bosisto is now buried in the >>Courcelette War Cemetery alongside nine other members of his battalion. >> >>More than 16,000 members of the First AIF who served on the Western Front >>are listed as having no known grave. >> >>Media Contact: Rachael Thompson 02 6277 7820 or 0417 265 >>289 > >Cathy Dunn >Cd's Webpage Designs & Services >South Coast Promotions >www.ulladulla.info/cdweb > >PO Box 52 Milton NSW 2538 >Ph: 4455 4780 >Fax: 4455 4628 > >Public comment sought for Ulladulla Bali Memorial Complex >www.ulladulla.info/memorialbowl/survey > > > > > > Cathy Dunn Cd's Webpage Designs & Services South Coast Promotions www.ulladulla.info/cdweb PO Box 52 Milton NSW 2538 Ph: 4455 4780 Fax: 4455 4628 Public comment sought for Ulladulla Bali Memorial Complex www.ulladulla.info/memorialbowl/survey

Hi 3 points on your quest 1) You are to be congratulated and supported on a HUGE task, possibly an impossible one 2) Please don't wait until you have all the ducks in a row before you publish. Many records have been lost or destroyed in floods and fires. Get a good grip on the subject and publish with updates as possible. If you wait to get it all you will never publish at all. 3) I know you have looked at Digger History but there is a page there that you might have missed. It records information prepared by the Australian Bureau of Statistics who have a very good record for accuracy. It is not complete in the sense that it does not break up into all the Units but it is a valuable tool. See it at http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/stats.htm Ted www.diggerhistory.info ----- Original Message ----- From: "vrswanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Land Forces of the Australian Colonies > I am seeking accurate information relating to the land military forces > raised by the Australian Colonies from 1788 to Federation. > > I have to date collected information from the following sources :- > Australian War memorial, Australians at War {series prepared by Steve > Conway}, Defending Victoria, Queensland Defence Forces, Digger History, "The > History of The Military Forces of South Australia" {Ref. Australian Army > Journal 51 - August 1953}together from bits and pieces in various > publications. > Whilst they each provide some information they are often incomplete and > accuracy is sometimes questionable. > > The information I am seeking is a complete list of the units raised, dates > of raising and what happened to the unit. Some were disbanded, some absorbed > into other units, some renamed and some of course are basically still in > existence today. In other words I am trying to piece together the basic > history of each and every unit. > > I also include in my quest the Naval Brigades which were also formed by the > Colonies. Information about the Colonial Navies is readily available in > various places including "Australian Colonial Navies" By Colin Jones.(AWM) > > Since I started my search I am surprised that I have not to date found any > complete set of information for any of the states. > > I hope someone can help me in my search. > > Vic. Swanson > > ______________________________

Sorry, original E-mail sent from incorrect AUS-MILITARY subscriber E-mail address and therefore was not accepted into the AUS-MILITARY Mailing List!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant" <[email protected]> To: "AUSTRALIAN MILITARY Mailing List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 21 April 2003 16:35 Subject: " W.W.I Map ref. " > Belated Easter Greetings to list readers from Townsville, Oz. > > I am currently completing the transcription of six (6) personal W.W.I > diaries kept by a Lieutenant Lyell Keith SWANN MM, some details > as follows; > > "" Some time back I inherited his diaries which consist of daily hand > written entries, newspaper cuttings and photographs spanning the years > March 1916 to November 1918. The entries relate up until the previous > day ( 13/11/1918 ) of his flying death whilst taking off with a flight > patrol at 11 a.m. on 14 November 1918 when he was seen to spin at > about 300 feet. > > He crashed to the ground and was taken to 63rd C.C.S. where he died at 10 > p.m. the same night, fractured Bone and internal injuries. > > Aerodrome. Grande Ennehierres: near LILLE. > > Buried at "ASCQ" Cemetery by Hospital Chaplain. > > Map reference TOURNAI.5. > > ( Some of above details were extracted from a copy of ' STATEMENT D.16. > signed by W.J. COOPER. Capt. for O.C. 4th A.F.C. ) > > Lyell Keith SWANN Enlisted in the AIF 14/03/1916 in Adelaide, South > Australia with the rank of Private, Number 2156. > > Left Australia on the boat " ANCHINES " 28/08/1916. > > Arrived England 11/10/1916. > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > " C " Co > 40th Battalion No 8 Camp, Lark Hill > > Sgt. L.K. Swann > 3rd Reinforcements > 43rd Battalion. AIF > > Graduated for A.F.C. Pilot > Category A July 30th 1918 > Category B October, 23rd 1918 > > Awarded the Military Medal for Conspicuous Gallantry at Messines > 29/06/1917 > > Received his commission July 1, 1917. > > Last entry in diary six (6) he was flying to Ostende from Ennetieres > ( approx. 9 klm from Lille ). Landed at Froidmont near Tournai. > > Last diary entry reads: " " 13th NOVEMBER 1918 - OUR ACTING FLIGHT > COMMANDER HELLER TOOK MOXHAM & I FOR A FORMATION FLIP. > WE WERE GOING UP TO OSTEND BUT HELLER HAD TO LAND NEAR > WERVING SO WE SET OFF FOR HOME. HOWEVER WHEN WE HAD > ONLY GONE A FEW MILES WE LANDED AT AN AERODROME AT > LINSELLES TO PROCURE ASSISTANCE FOR HIM. AFTER HAVING > SOME TEA THERE WE TOOK OFF & SET FOR HOME. > > WE MISSED THE DROME THOUGH & HAD TO LAND > AT FROIDMONT NEAR TOURNAI. STAYED WITH THE > 21st R.A.F. SQUADRON ALL NIGHT & RETURNED > NEXT MORNING. THE TERMS OF THE ARMISTACE > ARE GREAT & I DON'T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT > WE'LL HAVE TO STOUSH UP AGAIN. STAN HOWARD > JOINED UP AGAIN TODAY. "" > > > >>>>>>>>NOW FOR THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS MESSAGE POSTING... > > > The ' Sunday Mail ' newspaper, Brisbane ( Page 6 April 20, 2003 ) > contained an editorial W.W.I DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND and the > ' Townsville Bulletin ' newspaper ( Page 32 Monday, April 21, 2003 ) > contained an editorial DIGGERS' REMAINS FOUND IN FRANCE. > > A lengthly entry in the Swann diaries 7th June 1917 makes reference > to four (4) soldiers being killed, gives two (2) of the killed soldiers > names, burial details etc etc and a map reference and I quote; > > Map ref. approx. Ploegsteert 1/10,000. 28. S.W.4. Edition 4.8. 8.A. > 5 - 3.50. > > What I need to know from some knowledgeable person, is the conversion of > the above Map ref. to today's Latitude and Longitude to compare with Lat. > / Long. information procured via the Internet and as follows: > > > HAZEBROUCK ( France ) > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > Long 2 degree 31' 60 East > > PLOEGSTEERT ( Belgium ) > Lat 50 degree 43' 0 North > Long 2 degree 52' 60 East > > I am rather excited at the prospects of clarification coming from someone > and on the eve of ANZAC day too! > > Yours in anticipation, > > Eldon Bryant........ > > > GREETINGS FROM TOWNSVILLE; > > Eldon R.J. (Don) Bryant > J.P. (C.dec) QJA Life Member > " Villa Pamphili " > 7 Hibiscus Street > Cranbrook. 4814. Queensland. AUSTRALIA. > > Telephone: (07) 4775 6579. > Facsimile: (07) 4775 3579. > E-mail: [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > [email protected] > > GENEALOGISTS HAVE GREAT-GREAT-GREAT RELATIONS. > > ............ END OF SIGNATURE ............ > > > > > > >

I am seeking accurate information relating to the land military forces raised by the Australian Colonies from 1788 to Federation. I have to date collected information from the following sources :- Australian War memorial, Australians at War {series prepared by Steve Conway}, Defending Victoria, Queensland Defence Forces, Digger History, "The History of The Military Forces of South Australia" {Ref. Australian Army Journal 51 - August 1953}together from bits and pieces in various publications. Whilst they each provide some information they are often incomplete and accuracy is sometimes questionable. The information I am seeking is a complete list of the units raised, dates of raising and what happened to the unit. Some were disbanded, some absorbed into other units, some renamed and some of course are basically still in existence today. In other words I am trying to piece together the basic history of each and every unit. I also include in my quest the Naval Brigades which were also formed by the Colonies. Information about the Colonial Navies is readily available in various places including "Australian Colonial Navies" By Colin Jones.(AWM) Since I started my search I am surprised that I have not to date found any complete set of information for any of the states. I hope someone can help me in my search. Vic. Swanson

For those who have never looked at London Gazettes there is quite a lot of information about Australia Solders in WW1 in the magazines or at least ther eis in the copy we have at the Hornsby Shire Historical Museum. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: AUS-MILITARY-D Digest V03 #77

G'day Allan I am webmaster of Digger History which includes http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-battles/ww2/sandakan.htm I would appreciate any photos that you are willing to provide Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Cresswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: Sandakan Trip > Hi Everyone > > On Friday morning I head off for a pilgrimage to North Borneo and come > back on Wednesday 30th April. I stay in Kuching for a few days then fly > to Kota Kinabula (formerly Jesselton) where we have an Official > Dedication Ceremony. Then by ferry to Labuan Island where we attend the > Peace Park and Dedication at War Cemetery. Most of the 2500 Aussie and > British POW's who died at North Borneo are now buried on the island > although many do not have individual graves and have a special memorial > with all their names recorded. > > We fly back to KK then another flight from KK to Sandakan (in Sabah) for > a four day stay which includes an official city welcome, visit to > Barhala Island, city tours, tour of POW campsites, Memorial Park, tour > of Sepilok and a Dawn Service at the POW Camp on Anzac Day. > > After leaving Sandakan we travel overland to Ranau and enroute visit the > areas of the Death March with dedications. We arrive at Kundasung (about > 10,000 feet) and stay there two days. We view Mt Kinabalu, Jungle Walk, > Pot Poring Hot Springs (a swim), tour orchid gardens and visit Kundasung > Memorial Site with dedication. Twelve Days of real adventure in natural > jungle with our theme to also honour our fallen POW soldiers from WW2. > > We will be taking many photos and am doing so for anyone who has a > request for a particular location, memorial or grave site. > > I have a digital camera and it is no problem to take a photo for anyone > with a specific interest. > > Regards.....Allan >

Listers might be glad to know that the London Gazette for the periods of WW1 and WW2 are now online at www.gazettes-online.co.uk My thanks to R G Crompton from the UK for the information Ted Harris www.diggerhistory.info

Dear Ted, I have the book "The March Of The Wallabies" by David H. Dial. If you like I will scan the pages with the itinerary and send them to you as an attachment. I had two uncles on the Kookaburras march from Tooraweenah to Bathurst in early 1916. Do you have anything on this march? All the best, Claude... Claude O'Connor, Waratah, N.S.W. e-mail [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted HARRIS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2003 13:27 Subject: Recruiting Marches 1915/16 > Of the recruiting marches in NSW in 1915/16 there are some that are not yet fully documented. > > I would appreciate any details of routes taken and towns passed through by these Marches > > Wallabies 1.Dec 1915-8 Jan 1916 Narrabri to Newcastle via ??? > > Kurrajongs January 1916 Inverell to Narrabri via ??? > North Coast Boomerangs January 1916 – Grafton to Maitland via ??? > > > > Ted Harris > www.diggerhistory.info > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Woy Woy War Memorial and Soldiers' Memorial Park > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~joanf/anzac1.htm > >

Hi Everyone On Friday morning I head off for a pilgrimage to North Borneo and come back on Wednesday 30th April. I stay in Kuching for a few days then fly to Kota Kinabula (formerly Jesselton) where we have an Official Dedication Ceremony. Then by ferry to Labuan Island where we attend the Peace Park and Dedication at War Cemetery. Most of the 2500 Aussie and British POW's who died at North Borneo are now buried on the island although many do not have individual graves and have a special memorial with all their names recorded. We fly back to KK then another flight from KK to Sandakan (in Sabah) for a four day stay which includes an official city welcome, visit to Barhala Island, city tours, tour of POW campsites, Memorial Park, tour of Sepilok and a Dawn Service at the POW Camp on Anzac Day. After leaving Sandakan we travel overland to Ranau and enroute visit the areas of the Death March with dedications. We arrive at Kundasung (about 10,000 feet) and stay there two days. We view Mt Kinabalu, Jungle Walk, Pot Poring Hot Springs (a swim), tour orchid gardens and visit Kundasung Memorial Site with dedication. Twelve Days of real adventure in natural jungle with our theme to also honour our fallen POW soldiers from WW2. We will be taking many photos and am doing so for anyone who has a request for a particular location, memorial or grave site. I have a digital camera and it is no problem to take a photo for anyone with a specific interest. Regards.....Allan

Of the recruiting marches in NSW in 1915/16 there are some that are not yet fully documented. I would appreciate any details of routes taken and towns passed through by these Marches Wallabies 1.Dec 1915-8 Jan 1916 Narrabri to Newcastle via ??? Kurrajongs January 1916 Inverell to Narrabri via ??? North Coast Boomerangs January 1916 – Grafton to Maitland via ??? Ted Harris www.diggerhistory.info

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