Anne If no one can give you the answer you may need to look for an book by I.H. Nicholson Shipping Arrivals and Departures, Sydney 1826-1840, by I.H. Nicholson, I found this one of his useful for 1826, but I can't tell you if he did the same for later periods that you are looking for. If he did, it might tell you the answer that you are after. If not you may need to find out through the SMH's shipping list for 1845 when it arrived and what it was carrying. This might be a little difficult for you from NZ. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Picketts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: "Ann" - 58th Regiment > Can any listers advise if the "Ann" which arrived in Sydney 1845 with the > 58th Regiment was transporting convicts which the 58th were > "guarding" or was she carrying only the Regiment and possibly some > passengers. > > > -- > Anne PICKETTS > Waipu, NZ > Researching: LEADBEATER, SMITH, WASHINGTON, BARKER, > SHEPHERD, PEARSON, ROBINSON, GILL, HARRIS, FISH, SUTTON > NZSG #5331 > KFHS #6151 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm >

Can any listers advise if the "Ann" which arrived in Sydney 1845 with the 58th Regiment was transporting convicts which the 58th were "guarding" or was she carrying only the Regiment and possibly some passengers. -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ Researching: LEADBEATER, SMITH, WASHINGTON, BARKER, SHEPHERD, PEARSON, ROBINSON, GILL, HARRIS, FISH, SUTTON NZSG #5331 KFHS #6151

Ted The Australian Ex-Prisoners of war Memorial Wall is under coinstruction in Ballarat The committee wants to include the names of Merchant seamen who were POWs. We have a list for WW2, but it appears that no such list is available for WW1. Perhaps someone could correct me but since merchant seamen were civilians and not service personal would not the correct description be internee rather than prisoner of war. I think it is great in this day and age that nominal rolls are on computer databases that have full names and details and are easily updated. No matter how hard researchers try they will miss names, misspell names and get details wrong. Printed Nominal Rolls are out of date before they are published. I find sad to walk pass World War I memorials with surnames and initials that have become meaningless over to years. At the Brunswick Road tram stop I look the names on the memorial and wonder who they were. Anthony Staunton

Mike and Anne There is a very good little book called How to trace your military ancestors in Australia and New Zealand by RH Montague. Quite a bit about the NSW Veterans Company. Apparently pay and muster rolls are held by most state and national libraries. Reel No. 3917. The NSW Archives has a collection of letters dealing with the Veterans' applications for land. It might be worth having a look if you haven't already done so. Anne Alloway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > Anne > My Thomas Boyd who came to Sydney in 1826 with the Royal NSW Veteran Company > had one of his daughters may at 14 years old. In fact she had children > before her parents finished having children of their own. > > We think form the 1841 Census that Thomas family was Catholic. He was > stationed in "Lane Cove" which in those days took in most of the middle part > of the North Shore part of Sydney. So I assume that there were Catholic > Churches in that part of Sydney at that time. > > You may need to write to St Mary's Cathedral, in Sydney, NSW. > > Mike Boyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Picketts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:15 AM > Subject: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > > > > There were two Sarah Jane WILSONs recorded as married in NSW between 1845 > and > > 1846. One married Edward LEPPER of the 58th Regiment in Scotts Church, > Sydney in > > August 1846, the other married John WALDON on 8 Sep 1845. The latter > Sarah Jane > > has been researched back to Ballynahinch in Co Down. The former seems to > be a > > mystery. > > > > Witnesses to the LEPPER marriage were Bernard McLAUGHLIN of the 99th > Regiment > > and Mrs Jane CHAMPION of Sydney > > > > If the age on her death certificate and the age of her eldest > > daughter at the time of her death is any indication, she married at 13 or > > 14 yrs of age and was born in Sydney - that would make c1833. > > > > Edward LEPPER travelled to NSW with the 58th in 1845. Was it common for > soldiers to > > marry such young girls in Sydney of the 1840s and should it be considered > 'odd' that > > someone from another Regiment would act as witness. > > > > Another 'odity' is that the marriage took place in the Presbyterian > Church. Once in NZ > > the children were baptised as Catholics. Was there a Catholic Church in > Sydney in > > 1846? > > > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > Anne Picketts > > Waipu, Northland > > New Zealand > > Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY and RYAN in Limerick and surrounding > Counties; > > WILSON and St JOHN in Co Down > > NZSG #5331 > > KFHS #6151 > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > Woy Woy War Memorial and Soldiers' Memorial Park > > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~joanf/anzac1.htm > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > RAAF Museum > http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ > >

G'day, The Australian Ex-Prisoners of war Memorial Wall is under coinstruction in Ballarat.....at last ! The committee wants to include the names of Merchant seamen who were POWs. We have a list for WW2, but it appears that no such list is available for WW1. Can any one help, please !! Ted Lynes

"Soldiers guarding prisioners building a Road North to the Hunter" This road was the Great North Road that went down the raod of thesame name Drummonyne crossed the Harbour at Bedlam Point evidence still there up through Ryde to Epping crossed Terrys Creek at Vimera park under the railway line crossed Devlin Creek between therailwayline and Beecroft Road evidence there up thought Dural and out the Old Northern Road to Wisemans Ferry and on to the Hunter. The Role of the Military in guarding Convict Gangs is explained in a new monograph about the Convict Road Gangs written by Ian Webb and published by the Convict Trail Project, for address details see their website www.convicttrail.org Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > Robert > When I inquired about the Lane Cove of 1830's, I was told it went to Pierces > Corner just south of Hornsby and down to Gore Hill I think. I can't recall > the east and west boundaries. > > My Thomas Boyd had about 5 years there. A cousin the other day said he may > have been guarding prisoners building the "north" road to the Hunter from > North Sydney. If you come across anything on Army settlements between 1826 > and 1832 on the North shore I would like to hear from you please. > > When he was discharged he took 100 acres in Turramurra including where the > railway station is now and the eastern end of Kissing Point Road. We know > he had an cherry orchard and assumed that he did other farming on this land. > > The surprising thing was that there were no other RNSWVC members ho had land > grants near him. > > My late father said he stayed with the Irish families in Turramurra. > Mike Boyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Heal" <[email protected]> > To: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > > > > Hiya Mike, Anne > > > > North Shore in those days. "Lane Cove" has moved around rather a lot. > > I live at Gordon > > which used to be Lane Cove in the late 1800's, which is why Lane Cove > > Road in Ryde goes to > > Gordon and not to today's Lane Cove. > > But earlier than that, Lane Cove was probably down closer to the > > Harbour. > > >

Robert When I inquired about the Lane Cove of 1830's, I was told it went to Pierces Corner just south of Hornsby and down to Gore Hill I think. I can't recall the east and west boundaries. My Thomas Boyd had about 5 years there. A cousin the other day said he may have been guarding prisoners building the "north" road to the Hunter from North Sydney. If you come across anything on Army settlements between 1826 and 1832 on the North shore I would like to hear from you please. When he was discharged he took 100 acres in Turramurra including where the railway station is now and the eastern end of Kissing Point Road. We know he had an cherry orchard and assumed that he did other farming on this land. The surprising thing was that there were no other RNSWVC members ho had land grants near him. My late father said he stayed with the Irish families in Turramurra. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Heal" <[email protected]> To: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: Re: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > Hiya Mike, Anne > > North Shore in those days. "Lane Cove" has moved around rather a lot. > I live at Gordon > which used to be Lane Cove in the late 1800's, which is why Lane Cove > Road in Ryde goes to > Gordon and not to today's Lane Cove. > But earlier than that, Lane Cove was probably down closer to the > Harbour. >

Hiya Mike, Anne there was Catholic church in Sydney before the 1840's, I don't think there was any church not even Anglican on the North Shore in the 1840's. Nothing at all on the North Shore in those days. "Lane Cove" has moved around rather a lot. I live at Gordon which used to be Lane Cove in the late 1800's, which is why Lane Cove Road in Ryde goes to Gordon and not to today's Lane Cove. But earlier than that, Lane Cove was probably down closer to the Harbour. In the early days in NSW Catholic practise was restricted as it was in England until the 1820's-1830's. In those days just about the only activity on the north shore was logging where there were decent trees. Further west towards Pennant Hills and Ryde some farming where the soil was better. At Ryde the C of E St Anne's from around 1808 I think and the catholic church St Charles Borromeo not until the 1860's. Scots Church is in downtown Sydney. In those days run by J D Lang I think. Certainly not unsual for 14 year olds to be married in those days. On the question of religion there are quite a few possibilities. He may have been Catholic and she Presbyterian. Married in the wife's church because it was her home town and that's where her family went. Or possibly the other way around. My GGGGgrandmother was married at age 15, she belonged to a CofE family which became Methodist ( Methodists and Cof E did not split until 1830's in NSW ), was married to a man who was definitely C of E, at the Presbyterian church in Parramatta in 1848. We have never figured out why. On the subject of regimental marriage-witnessing protocol, I have no idea. Regards Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > Anne > My Thomas Boyd who came to Sydney in 1826 with the Royal NSW Veteran Company > had one of his daughters may at 14 years old. In fact she had children > before her parents finished having children of their own. > > We think form the 1841 Census that Thomas family was Catholic. He was > stationed in "Lane Cove" which in those days took in most of the middle part > of the North Shore part of Sydney. So I assume that there were Catholic > Churches in that part of Sydney at that time. > > You may need to write to St Mary's Cathedral, in Sydney, NSW. > > Mike Boyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Picketts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:15 AM > Subject: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > > > > There were two Sarah Jane WILSONs recorded as married in NSW between 1845 > and > > 1846. One married Edward LEPPER of the 58th Regiment in Scotts Church, > Sydney in > > August 1846, the other married John WALDON on 8 Sep 1845. The latter > Sarah Jane > > has been researched back to Ballynahinch in Co Down. The former seems to > be a > > mystery. > > > > Witnesses to the LEPPER marriage were Bernard McLAUGHLIN of the 99th > Regiment > > and Mrs Jane CHAMPION of Sydney > > > > If the age on her death certificate and the age of her eldest > > daughter at the time of her death is any indication, she married at 13 or > > 14 yrs of age and was born in Sydney - that would make c1833. > > > > Edward LEPPER travelled to NSW with the 58th in 1845. Was it common for > soldiers to > > marry such young girls in Sydney of the 1840s and should it be considered > 'odd' that > > someone from another Regiment would act as witness. > > > > Another 'odity' is that the marriage took place in the Presbyterian > Church. Once in NZ > > the children were baptised as Catholics. Was there a Catholic Church in > Sydney in > > 1846? > > > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > Anne Picketts > > Waipu, Northland > > New Zealand > > Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY and RYAN in Limerick and surrounding > Counties; > > WILSON and St JOHN in Co Down > > NZSG #5331 > > KFHS #6151 > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > Woy Woy War Memorial and Soldiers' Memorial Park > > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~joanf/anzac1.htm > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > RAAF Museum > http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ >

Anne My Thomas Boyd who came to Sydney in 1826 with the Royal NSW Veteran Company had one of his daughters may at 14 years old. In fact she had children before her parents finished having children of their own. We think form the 1841 Census that Thomas family was Catholic. He was stationed in "Lane Cove" which in those days took in most of the middle part of the North Shore part of Sydney. So I assume that there were Catholic Churches in that part of Sydney at that time. You may need to write to St Mary's Cathedral, in Sydney, NSW. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Picketts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 4:15 AM Subject: 58th Reg - LEPPER/WILSON > There were two Sarah Jane WILSONs recorded as married in NSW between 1845 and > 1846. One married Edward LEPPER of the 58th Regiment in Scotts Church, Sydney in > August 1846, the other married John WALDON on 8 Sep 1845. The latter Sarah Jane > has been researched back to Ballynahinch in Co Down. The former seems to be a > mystery. > > Witnesses to the LEPPER marriage were Bernard McLAUGHLIN of the 99th Regiment > and Mrs Jane CHAMPION of Sydney > > If the age on her death certificate and the age of her eldest > daughter at the time of her death is any indication, she married at 13 or > 14 yrs of age and was born in Sydney - that would make c1833. > > Edward LEPPER travelled to NSW with the 58th in 1845. Was it common for soldiers to > marry such young girls in Sydney of the 1840s and should it be considered 'odd' that > someone from another Regiment would act as witness. > > Another 'odity' is that the marriage took place in the Presbyterian Church. Once in NZ > the children were baptised as Catholics. Was there a Catholic Church in Sydney in > 1846? > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > -- > Anne Picketts > Waipu, Northland > New Zealand > Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY and RYAN in Limerick and surrounding Counties; > WILSON and St JOHN in Co Down > NZSG #5331 > KFHS #6151 > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Woy Woy War Memorial and Soldiers' Memorial Park > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~joanf/anzac1.htm > >

There were two Sarah Jane WILSONs recorded as married in NSW between 1845 and 1846. One married Edward LEPPER of the 58th Regiment in Scotts Church, Sydney in August 1846, the other married John WALDON on 8 Sep 1845. The latter Sarah Jane has been researched back to Ballynahinch in Co Down. The former seems to be a mystery. Witnesses to the LEPPER marriage were Bernard McLAUGHLIN of the 99th Regiment and Mrs Jane CHAMPION of Sydney If the age on her death certificate and the age of her eldest daughter at the time of her death is any indication, she married at 13 or 14 yrs of age and was born in Sydney - that would make c1833. Edward LEPPER travelled to NSW with the 58th in 1845. Was it common for soldiers to marry such young girls in Sydney of the 1840s and should it be considered 'odd' that someone from another Regiment would act as witness. Another 'odity' is that the marriage took place in the Presbyterian Church. Once in NZ the children were baptised as Catholics. Was there a Catholic Church in Sydney in 1846? Any help would be very much appreciated. -- Anne Picketts Waipu, Northland New Zealand Researching: DUGGAN, McCARTHY and RYAN in Limerick and surrounding Counties; WILSON and St JOHN in Co Down NZSG #5331 KFHS #6151

Hi Keven, I use Legacy 4 (delux). You can Download Legacy 4 for free and trial it , but you dont get the added features. I tried before I buyed and I found it excellent Wal -----Original Message----- From: Kayta [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: gene programs Hi Keven, I've been using Family Tree Maker and found it excellent. Especially as you can put all the military service dates etc. with each person. And the listing of source documents is great. Kayta ----- Original Message ----- From: Keven sparks To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: gene programs Hi Listers: i have been using ultimate family tree for over four years, support and upgrades has ceased. could sks help me with suggestions on a replacement? a facility which i would like is for the program to generate a file no. and permit me to program/re-program certain files to fit them into the australian way. regards keven ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== The Military Historical Society of Australia http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm

Hi Keven, I've been using Family Tree Maker and found it excellent. Especially as you can put all the military service dates etc. with each person. And the listing of source documents is great. Kayta ----- Original Message ----- From: Keven sparks To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: gene programs Hi Listers: i have been using ultimate family tree for over four years, support and upgrades has ceased. could sks help me with suggestions on a replacement? a facility which i would like is for the program to generate a file no. and permit me to program/re-program certain files to fit them into the australian way. regards keven

Hi Listers: i have been using ultimate family tree for over four years, support and upgrades has ceased. could sks help me with suggestions on a replacement? a facility which i would like is for the program to generate a file no. and permit me to program/re-program certain files to fit them into the australian way. regards keven

I have great faith in the ability of Listers to identify uniforms. I wonder if this one will provide any obstacle. http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-uniforms/id-wizard.htm It's the one on top of the page. Ted

Thank you to everyone who answered my question on military photos you have been very helpful. From Jenny in Townsville!

Many thanks to all those who answered my request re my great uncle and the 19th Battalion. From the websites (amazing) and the information given to me I have ascertained that he was in the first formation of the 19 battalion and he sailed on the Ceramic 25 June 1915 from Sydney. I will taken up the suggestion of looking in newspapers of that time but has anyone else any ideas about find a picture of that Battalion, Being the initial 19th battalion, I thought there maybe photos in existence. Thank you once again. Margaret

Thankyou everyone for your assistance - I have the page from the magazine. I have checked what the Australian War Memorial has on their site so I think that the next best thing to do is to send a copy of the article to the AWM and see what they can tell me. Regards Lynette Rabbitt E-mail [email protected]

Thanks to your good eyes! It must be H and not M Heather > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:29 PM > To: Heather > Subject: RE: 36th MAB > > > Heather, > George Rupert Cooper- is on the roll as H.A.B. Heavy > Artillery Brigade, I > have also seen a S.A.B. which is Siege Artillery Brigade, > regards > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heather [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 27 May 2003 11:38 > To: [email protected] > Subject: 36th MAB > > > George Rupert Cooper - on W.W.I nominal roll as being in 36th MAB > (I think - > the M is a little indistinct.) It is certainly not FAB, anyway. Can anyone > tell me what this means ? > > Heather > North Melbourne > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > First AIF Order of Battle 1914-1918 > http://www.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/index.html > >

George Rupert Cooper - on W.W.I nominal roll as being in 36th MAB (I think - the M is a little indistinct.) It is certainly not FAB, anyway. Can anyone tell me what this means ? Heather North Melbourne

Hi Lynette, Two suggestions of web-based resources you might care to try - neither of which come with any guarantee of success, of course. <g> Firstly, the Illustration Index to Australian Art at http://www.library.adelaide.edu.au/ual/publ/artindex/ contains some works by Dennis Adams, although it would help if you happened to know the title of the work in which you are interested. The art collection of the Australian War Memorial may hold a little more promise for you. At http://www.awm.gov.au/ select Search our databases/Collections search/Advanced search and try looking for Dennis Adams as a "maker" of "art". I received 102 hits. One last thought ... did the Women's Weekly article not contain any indication, say a copyright statement or similar, regarding or implying ownership of the artworks? Good luck! Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynette Rabbitt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Looking for a copy of a photo | There was an article in the Australian Women's Weekly - November 1986 about | Dennis Adams, one time war artist who had done 6 paintings of Australian | service men and women in military uniforms from 1914-1973. | | At the top of the article are two of those paintings - one a nurse from WW1 | the other of three men in uniform with their guns moving forward in an | upright position. This is a WW2 painting. | | The one of the men is the one that I have been trying to find out where to | get a copy of - one of those men is my Grandfather Peter Hilland McCoid - | even though the names of the men are not recorded anywhere there is no way | that you could mistake my Grandfather for anyone else. | | Can any one on the list help with my quest? | | | Lynette Rabbitt | E-mail [email protected] | | | ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== | Replies to queries on AUS-MILITARY should generally be sent to the list as well as the sender | Please use the "reply to all" function of your mail program | |