Can anyone tell me whether the Vehicle Log Books for Australian Army vehicles (AAB20) still exist and where they might be found? RecordSearch has been no help. I am looking for information on an accident between an army truck and a tram in Oxford Street Paddington in March 1946. Ric Pelvin _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp

It is not. The WW II MANOORA [note spelling] was a merchant vessel converted to an armed merchant cruiser and later landing ship infantry. After carrying out transport duties postwar she returned to merchant service and was eventually disposed of. The current MANOORA is a converted ex US Navy landing ship tank, purchased in the early nineties. Ric Pelvin > > >Hullo list - can anyone tell me if this Manora that is goind off to the >Solomons in the next few >days is the same boat that was working during WW2. My aunt was an Army >nurse on the >Manora in 1945 etc. TIA, Alice. > > >==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >Woy Woy War Memorial and Soldiers' Memorial Park >http://www.terrigal.net.au/~joanf/anzac1.htm > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp

G'day, my understanding is that at that time, each Infantry Brigade had one Field Ambulance, of the same number. So 3rd Fd Amb was part of 3rd Brigade. In turn, this was part of the 1st Australian Division. Other units forming part of 3rd Brigade were 9th (Queensland), 10th & 11th (Sth Aust), and 12th (mixed) Battalions. The "Official History" of Australiua in the war was edited by Dr C. E. W. BEAN. There was also a companion volume, The Official Medical History ..., but copies of this are not common. I had a bit of luck, and found a reference to my ancestor (10th Fd Amb) in it. As your bloke was absent for 3 years, I suggest you read "The Broken Years" by Bill GAMMAGE. Peter THOMAS Darwin, Australia <[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Lewis McCann [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 06:56 To: [email protected] Subject: 3rd Field Ambulance, AIF and S.S. Hororata. I am seeking more information about my distant relative Henry Grayson COOK, who served in the AIF and returned home to SA with a wife. My questions are as follows. Below is all we know about them, I have obtained a copy of his official file, which raises more questions that it answers! Any help appreciated Lewis D McCann Milton Keynes,Bucks,UK http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lmccann HENRY GRAYSON COOK (son of JAMES HENRY COOK) was born abt Jun 1894 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England and assumed died by 1960 in Australia. He married LILY G ?? Abt. 1920 in London. She was born Abt. 1892, and assumed died by 1960 in Australia. Following from his official file. 11Jan 1915 Enlisted in Australian Imperial Force, #2713 at Oaklands (area of Adelaide),S Australia, aged 20 years, 6 months. 23 June 1915, Embarked for active service abroad. 27 March 1916, Joined BEF at Alexandra,Egypt. April 1916 arrived Marseilles,France. 16 Oct 1916 Joined 3rd Field Ambulance. 27 July 1917 AWOL 11 March 1920 Returned, forfeit pay 1917 to 1920. 8 June 1920 Returned to Australia with WIFE on S.S. Hororata 7 August 1920 Discharged from AIF at Adelaide. ______________________________

Hullo list - can anyone tell me if this Manora that is goind off to the Solomons in the next few days is the same boat that was working during WW2. My aunt was an Army nurse on the Manora in 1945 etc. TIA, Alice.

I am seeking more information about my distant relative Henry Grayson COOK, who served in the AIF and returned home to SA with a wife. My questions are as follows. Q1:- Does anyone else have ancestors that served in the 3rd Field Ambulance, and may have pictures/letters that mention my H.G. Cook. Has anyone made a study of the 3rd? Q2:- Does anyone have access to the passenger list for the S.S Hororata's voyage from Liverpool 16th April 1920 to final destination Sydney, June 1920? We are not sure of H.G. COOK's wifes name, family memory is that it was Lily G ??? but we are not sure. Q3:- The family in the UK lost contact with the this branch by the mid 1920's, so we have not idea what happened to them. They may have moved from SA, but are unlikely to have returned to UK. Below is all we know about them, I have obtained a copy of his official file, which raises more questions that it answers! Any help appreciated Lewis D McCann Milton Keynes,Bucks,UK http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lmccann HENRY GRAYSON COOK (son of JAMES HENRY COOK) was born abt Jun 1894 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England and assumed died by 1960 in Australia. He married LILY G ?? Abt. 1920 in London. She was born Abt. 1892, and assumed died by 1960 in Australia. Following from his official file. 11Jan 1915 Enlisted in Australian Imperial Force, #2713 at Oaklands (area of Adelaide),S Australia, aged 20 years, 6 months. 23 June 1915, Embarked for active service abroad. 27 March 1916, Joined BEF at Alexandra,Egypt. April 1916 arrived Marseilles,France. 16 Oct 1916 Joined 3rd Field Ambulance. 27 July 1917 AWOL 11 March 1920 Returned, forfeit pay 1917 to 1920. 8 June 1920 Returned to Australia with WIFE on S.S. Hororata 7 August 1920 Discharged from AIF at Adelaide. Received 1914/15 Star on 25 /1/1921 at Tungatta,( a homestead located SE of Elliston at 33deg 46'S 135deg 7'E);British War Medal & Victory Medal received on 29/7/1923 at Three Lakes,Elliston,South Australia,(a homestead located on coast of Great Australian Bight abt 240 miles WNW of Adelaide, at 33deg 35'S 134deg 53'E) 5 Jan 1933, South Australian Soldiers Fund ,Adelaide requested his service file.[Have checked with them and they have no other record] According to www.naa.gov.au Hororata sailed from Liverpool 16th April 1920 to final destination Sydney, June 1920. Notes for LILY G ?? Had brother in New Zealand in 1920's;Lost parents by 1920's Child of HENRY COOK and LILY ?? is: EDNA WINFRED COOK, b. Abt. 1923; and assumed d. by 1990.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/before-waterloo. htm might be of some assistance Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Holden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: Royal NSW Veteran Corps > Looking for information on the Royal NSW Veteran Corps serving at Wallis > Plains in the 1820-1830's. > Chris Holden > Cessnock > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referr al=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > ______________________________

Can anyone trow any light on these medals this bloke does not turn up on WW1 rolls, I assume that he may have belonged to some artillery unit by the initials on the medals. The following info is on the side of 2 medals on medal one 258 B.Q.M.S. A.Pontin R.A.F.A , the other medal no 258 baty. qms A.J.Pontin R.A.F.A. One is for meritorious service other is for long service and good conduct. Thanks John Madden [email protected] http://www.nrg.com.au/~maddenjw

Looks like rank is Battery Quarter Master Sergeant and the force is Royal Australian Field Artillery. 258 is his Service No. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Madden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Info on Medals > > Can anyone trow any light on these medals this bloke does not turn up on WW1 > rolls, I assume that he may have belonged to some artillery unit by the > initials on the medals. > > The following info is on the side of 2 medals on medal one 258 B.Q.M.S. > A.Pontin R.A.F.A , the other medal no 258 baty. qms A.J.Pontin R.A.F.A. > One is for meritorious service other is for long service and good conduct. > Thanks > John Madden > [email protected] > http://www.nrg.com.au/~maddenjw

You probably already know that his WW1 attestation is online at Canadadian National Archives and shows him as having previous service '18 months RAF 3 1/2 years R.N.C.V.R' http://www.archives.ca/02/02010602_e.html R.N.C.V.R - Royal Navy Canadian Volunteer Reserve? He may possibly have given details of the Australian service in enlisting in either of these two. Perhaps the papers for these are still available in Canada. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "ymuir1706" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Civilian Military prior to WW1 > My father, Cyril Andrew MUIR, was a member of the Civilian Military prior to immigrating to Canada from N.S.W. in 1913. Fairly sure it was a mounted group. Dad was born 1891. Might a record of his service still exist? > > Yvette, > Ottawa >

My father, Cyril Andrew MUIR, was a member of the Civilian Military prior to immigrating to Canada from N.S.W. in 1913. Fairly sure it was a mounted group. Dad was born 1891. Might a record of his service still exist? Yvette, Ottawa

Check out this site http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~garter1/royalnew.htm

Looking for information on the Royal NSW Veteran Corps serving at Wallis Plains in the 1820-1830's. Chris Holden Cessnock _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

Heather - Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Evan S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: RE: RAAF - THE BOOMERANG CLUB, LONDON 1944 > Probably not likely but Cremorne is also a small suburb of Melbourne, as > well > > Heather > North Melbourne > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: evan smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:02 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: RAAF - THE BOOMERANG CLUB, LONDON 1944 > > > > > > It is probable that the place in Qld is Dimbulah rather than Dimbuhih, > > Katamatite in Vic. rather than Malamatite, and Blakehurst & Cremorne are > > Sydney suburbs. There is also a Cremorne in Tas. > > > > Evan Smith - Qld > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "tuminco" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:37 PM > > Subject: RAAF - THE BOOMERANG CLUB, LONDON 1944 > > > > > > > I have page 11 from the PIX magazine 17th June, 1944 with various group > > > photos of some of our RAAF men who were seconded to the RAF during WWII. > > If > > > anyone is interested in them I have scanned them and will > > forward them to > > > your email address. > > > > > > The names of the men are:- > > > > > > Flight Sergeant R. Smith of Sydney > > > > > > Flying Officer Wadham of Victoria > > > Flying Officer East of Melbourne > > > Sergeant Hickey of Sydney > > > > > > Sergeant Revel of Melbourne > > > Sergeant Nicholls of Dimbuhih, QLD > > > Flight Sergeant Lukies of Malamatite, Victoria > > > > > > Flying Officer Hawkes of Blakehurst (Blackhurst?) > > > Flying Officer Bush of Cremorne > > > > > > Flight Sergeant Seage of Perth > > > Sergeant Sleeman of Parramatta > > > Flight Sergeant Charles Stewart Bogle of Mount Magnet Western > > Australia(my > > > uncle) > > > > > > Regards > > > Leonie Tuit > > > Lesmurdie in the Darling Ranges > > > Perth, Western Australia > > > > > > Searching for:- > > > TUIT WALLRAFF MULLER MORRALL ROSSELL > > > GILLAM TURNER BOGLE HYMUS > > > PARADISE THOMPSON > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > > The Military Historical Society of Australia > > > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > RAAF Museum > > http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > The Military Historical Society of Australia > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm >

Probably not likely but Cremorne is also a small suburb of Melbourne, as well Heather North Melbourne > -----Original Message----- > From: evan smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: RAAF - THE BOOMERANG CLUB, LONDON 1944 > > > It is probable that the place in Qld is Dimbulah rather than Dimbuhih, > Katamatite in Vic. rather than Malamatite, and Blakehurst & Cremorne are > Sydney suburbs. There is also a Cremorne in Tas. > > Evan Smith - Qld > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tuminco" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:37 PM > Subject: RAAF - THE BOOMERANG CLUB, LONDON 1944 > > > > I have page 11 from the PIX magazine 17th June, 1944 with various group > > photos of some of our RAAF men who were seconded to the RAF during WWII. > If > > anyone is interested in them I have scanned them and will > forward them to > > your email address. > > > > The names of the men are:- > > > > Flight Sergeant R. Smith of Sydney > > > > Flying Officer Wadham of Victoria > > Flying Officer East of Melbourne > > Sergeant Hickey of Sydney > > > > Sergeant Revel of Melbourne > > Sergeant Nicholls of Dimbuhih, QLD > > Flight Sergeant Lukies of Malamatite, Victoria > > > > Flying Officer Hawkes of Blakehurst (Blackhurst?) > > Flying Officer Bush of Cremorne > > > > Flight Sergeant Seage of Perth > > Sergeant Sleeman of Parramatta > > Flight Sergeant Charles Stewart Bogle of Mount Magnet Western > Australia(my > > uncle) > > > > Regards > > Leonie Tuit > > Lesmurdie in the Darling Ranges > > Perth, Western Australia > > > > Searching for:- > > TUIT WALLRAFF MULLER MORRALL ROSSELL > > GILLAM TURNER BOGLE HYMUS > > PARADISE THOMPSON > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > > The Military Historical Society of Australia > > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > RAAF Museum > http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ >

I'm back and still searching for above records. All I know is that on his death certificate he was listed as an army pensioner. In 1883 he married in Wentworth NSW and his occupation at that time was steward - could that have been with the army? When he died in 1900 his age was listed as being 78, but states that he was 50 when he married in 1883. He aged quickly??? He was in NSW from at least 1875 so could have joined up when they took volunteers when the English army pulled out. Can anyone help? Thanks Evelyn

It is probable that the place in Qld is Dimbulah rather than Dimbuhih, Katamatite in Vic. rather than Malamatite, and Blakehurst & Cremorne are Sydney suburbs. There is also a Cremorne in Tas. Evan Smith - Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: "tuminco" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: RAAF - THE BOOMERANG CLUB, LONDON 1944 > I have page 11 from the PIX magazine 17th June, 1944 with various group > photos of some of our RAAF men who were seconded to the RAF during WWII. If > anyone is interested in them I have scanned them and will forward them to > your email address. > > The names of the men are:- > > Flight Sergeant R. Smith of Sydney > > Flying Officer Wadham of Victoria > Flying Officer East of Melbourne > Sergeant Hickey of Sydney > > Sergeant Revel of Melbourne > Sergeant Nicholls of Dimbuhih, QLD > Flight Sergeant Lukies of Malamatite, Victoria > > Flying Officer Hawkes of Blakehurst (Blackhurst?) > Flying Officer Bush of Cremorne > > Flight Sergeant Seage of Perth > Sergeant Sleeman of Parramatta > Flight Sergeant Charles Stewart Bogle of Mount Magnet Western Australia(my > uncle) > > Regards > Leonie Tuit > Lesmurdie in the Darling Ranges > Perth, Western Australia > > Searching for:- > TUIT WALLRAFF MULLER MORRALL ROSSELL > GILLAM TURNER BOGLE HYMUS > PARADISE THOMPSON > > > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > The Military Historical Society of Australia > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm >

Dear Leonie, If you go to this site: - http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp enter "Charles Stewart Bogle" without the quotes in KEYWORDS. you will get 2 entries returned. click on DISPLAY. click on VIEW DIGITAL COPY for the first one. page 4 refers to "collective graves" I did not read any further than that Hope this helps, Claude.... Claude O'Connor, Waratah, N.S.W., e-mail [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "tuminco" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 12:47 Subject: War Graves > I am researching Flight Sergeant Charles Stewart Bogle who was the pilot of > a Lancaster bomber which was shot down over Brunswich, Germany 12-13 August, > 1944. All crew were killed. > > Would anyone know what the abbreviation Coll. refers to please i.e. Panel > number Coll. grave 19. A. 5-11. > > Someone suggested to me that it could mean collective as the remains of the > crew from this Lancaster bar 1 were burnt beyond recognition and that their > remains might have been put into a grave for each person but the remains not > necessarily being only of that person. > > Sounds morbid but it would be handy to know. > > Regards Leonie > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > RAAF Museum > http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/ > >

The following additional information will clarify the photo annotations for you: ----------------------------------------------- Mission on 12-13 August 1944 90 Squadron - Lancaster I - ME852 WP-Q - OP: BRAUNSCHWEIG F/O C. S. Bogle RAAF SGT F. Myers F/S R. B. McCormack RAAF SGT J. C. Hines F/S R. S. Camier RAAF SGT P.W. Jones SGT C. S. Gilbert W. R. Chorley, Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses of the Second World War (1944), p.378. W. R. Chorley & Midland Counties Publications 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Checking the CWGC database gives: BECKLINGEN WAR CEMETERYSoltau, Niedersachsen, Germany Grave or Reference Panel Number: Coll. grave 19. A. 5-11. CHARLES STEWART BOGLE Flying Officer 427289 Royal Australian Air Force Age 21 . FRANCIS MYERS Sergeant 2209603 Flt. Engr. 90 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve ROBERT BROWNING McCORMACK Flight Sergeant 422631 Royal Australian Air Force Age 29 . JOHN CHARLES HINES Sergeant 1397984 90 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve RONALD SUTTON CAMIER Flight Sergeant 419700 Royal Australian Air Force Age 20 . PERCY WILLIAM JONES Sergeant 1622133 90 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve Age 19 CYRIL STANLEY GILBERT Sergeant 525662 90 Sqdn., Royal Air Force .-------------------------------------------- There is no mention of a Kelly that would fit. Perhaps your decipherment of Kelly and B....... are in fact Myers and Jones? Incidentally, the digital archive document brought to our attention by Claude O'Connor contains a 1948 letter from RAAF at page 6 which states: 'Flying Officer Bogle and his comrades are now buried in Plot XIX, Row A, Graves 5 to 11 which have been marked collectively with their names and service particulars.' I think this sufficient to confirm that Coll. does indeed stand for Collective but further confirmation could easily be obtained by a note to CWGC, there being an email contact address at their website. I would appreciate a scan of the photo which you so kindly offer. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "tuminco" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:28 AM Subject: N for NAN Lancaster crew photo > I have a photo of the crew of the N for NAN Lancaster bomber from no. 90 > Squadron Royal Air Force, England. > This plane was missing over Germany on 13th August, 1944 and eventually > found in a forest near Becklingen Germany. All crew died in crash. > > I can only decipher most of the crew names:- > Sgt. Mat Kelly, engineer RAF, Sgt Stan Gilbert. rear gunner RAF, Flight Sgt > Bob McCormack, Navigator RAAF, Flight officer Stewart Bogle, pilot, RAAF, > Sgt Johnny Hines bomb aimer RAF, Flight Officer R.S.Camier, Wireless > operator, RAAF and Flight Sgt. B. ..........Upper gunner RAF. > > If anyone would like a copy of this photo please contact me and I will scan > it and send it to you. > > Regards > Leonie Tuit > Lesmurdie in the Darling Ranges > Perth, Western Australia > Searching for:- > TUIT WALLRAFF MULLER MORRALL ROSSELL > GILLAM TURNER BOGLE HYMUS > PARADISE THOMPSON

I think you will find it refers to "Column" sometimes spelt "Collumn" Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "tuminco" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: War Graves > I am researching Flight Sergeant Charles Stewart Bogle who was the pilot of > a Lancaster bomber which was shot down over Brunswich, Germany 12-13 August, > 1944. All crew were killed. > > Would anyone know what the abbreviation Coll. refers to please i.e. Panel > number Coll. grave 19. A. 5-11. > > Someone suggested to me that it could mean collective as the remains of the > crew from this Lancaster bar 1 were burnt beyond recognition and that their > remains might have been put into a grave for each person but the remains not > necessarily being only of that person. > > Sounds morbid but it would be handy to know. > > Regards Leonie > > ______________________________

----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: 40th Regiment of Foot 1854 I am compiling a pay list for the troops of the 40th Regiment of Foot 1854. The 40th arrived in Australia aboard H.M.steam ship Vulcan on 19th October 1854 The list is still ongoing and some additional info will be added soon My Great Great Grandfather was in the 40th of Foot. Go to http://www.angelfire.com/film/vulcan/index.html Daniel _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html