Refer http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-conflicts-periods/other/before-waterloo. htm Cheers, Ted Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.J. Langford" <ejl@centralonline.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: {Spam?} Re: [AUS-MIL] Veterans Corps > Listers please, > > I need a bit of advice. > > I've found a reference from National Archives Kew that James Ware served in > NSW Veterans Corps "in the generic date range 1760 - 1854". WO97/1173/239. > > He was one of my ancestors, a convict who arrived Feb 1830 aged about 27 > with sentence of 14 years. He spent most, if not all, of his time in the > Hunter Valley. > > 1. Is it possible the reference is to the same person? > 2. What was the Veterans Corps? > 3. What were the eligibilty criteria for recruits, specially as regards to > age and convict background and prior service? > 4. If it is the same person, how do I find which unit and more a precise and > correct date of service? > 5. Would there have been a unit or detachment in the upper Hunter valley? > > Information gladly accepted, > John > > ______________________________

The Application Forms for the Australian Defence Medal, and the criteria, are available at the following URL. Regards Albert http://www.defence.gov.au/dpe/dpe_site/honours_awards/

John Below is some material I put together in the late 1980's:- The Royal New South Wales Veteran Company of 1825-1832 was the third such unit to be raised for service in "New South Wales". From the article The Royal Veterans in Australia by R. H. Montague, Journal of the Royal Australian Historical Society, December 1982, Vol. 68 Pt 3, pp 238-246 it provides the following information on the establishment of the first Veteran Company but does not mention the second time it was established. "The first Veteran Company was established in 1810 when Lachlan Macquarie arrived he quickly turned his attention to matters of defence. The 73rd Regiment, which had sailed with him from England, was greatly under strength and Macquarie hoped that its numbers might be augmented by volunteers from the out-going regiment, the 102nd, formerly the notorious New South Wales Corps. The age limit for transfer into the 73rd was thirty-five and the Governor was well aware that the vast majority of 102nd men were past that age. The solution was to form the older men into an Invalid or Veteran company and the British government readily agreed, especially when it could see a saving in expenditure. A dispatch from Governor Macquarie was worded in the following terms: 'A great number of Old soldiers of the 102nd who had served long in the Country wishing to remain in it on Account of Connexions they have formed with Convict Women, and by whom they have had Children. I have taken the Responsibility upon Myself of forming them into an Invalid or Veteran Company for the Service of the Colony, until His Majesty's Pleasure shall be known: and I trust Your Lordship will be pleased to move the King to be graciously pleased to sanction and approve of the Measure. I have made the Establishment of the Invalid Company One Hundred Rank and File with the usual Proportion of Serjeants and Drummers, to be under the Command and Charge of an Officer of the 73rd Regiment until I shall receive orders from home respecting it. Independent of gratifying these poor Old Soldiers in permitting them to remain with their Families, and in a Country they are much attached to, the Measure will be a very Considerable Saving to the Crown as from their great Length of Service, most of them having served between twenty and thirty Years, they would be entitled to very high Pensions on their arrival at home and being discharged for very few of them would be found fit for Service in a Cold Climate.' "Approval was given on the condition that the Veteran Company was to be attached to the 73rd Regiment or any other regiment which might be doing duty in the Colony. The War Office decreed also that it should be dressed in the same manner as the 73rd except that the dark green collars and cuffs would be replaced by those made of dark blue cloth which distinguishes a Royal Corps." Ron Montague does not say when this company was disbanded, except to say that in 1817 Governor Macquarie urged the War Office to disband the Company because the men were 'generally quite worn out through Long Service, age or infirmities'. But no action was taken. In 1822 Governor Brisbane made a similar appeal but once again no response from London. From this article it is unclear when this first Veterans Company was disbanded. There is no mention of a second Veteran unit being established in the 1820's. It would appear that recruiting for the third Veterans unit for service in New South Wales began in September 1825 (see section 2 (B) below). From the Australian Joint Copying Project (AJCP), part 4, War Office, p 17 it provides the following:- "reel no. 417 piece no. 11228 1810-1818 Veteran Company, New South Wales reel no. 418 piece no. 11229 1819-1823 Veteran company, New South Wales reel no. 3917 piece no. 11230 June 1826-June 1832 New South Wales Royal Veterans" This would indicate three different units and the duration of each. However, Ron Montague is of the view that there was only two units established. My GUESS is that you have two people. As you said he arrived as a convict in 1830 and the last Veteran's Company was disbanded in 1832 so even if he had been soldier in England (he would seem to be too young being 27 years old in 1830 to have severed). To be an member of the Veterans Company you had to serve in the British Army. You can see the First Company Muster Roll - which was stationed in Sydney - while the 2nd Company seemed to have served in in the Hunter area but I never found any Muster Rolls for it or the 3rd Company which served in Tasmania. I have not researched Convict records - which I understand are quite good - but you may like to get some advice from your local History Society members. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.J. Langford" <ejl@centralonline.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: {Spam?} Re: [AUS-MIL] Veterans Corps > Listers please, > > I need a bit of advice. > > I've found a reference from National Archives Kew that James Ware served > in NSW Veterans Corps "in the generic date range 1760 - 1854". > WO97/1173/239. > > He was one of my ancestors, a convict who arrived Feb 1830 aged about 27 > with sentence of 14 years. He spent most, if not all, of his time in the > Hunter Valley. > > 1. Is it possible the reference is to the same person? > 2. What was the Veterans Corps? > 3. What were the eligibilty criteria for recruits, specially as regards to > age and convict background and prior service? > 4. If it is the same person, how do I find which unit and more a precise > and correct date of service? > 5. Would there have been a unit or detachment in the upper Hunter valley? > > Information gladly accepted, > John > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Anzac Research > http://anzacresearch.tripod.com/index.htm >

Listers please, I need a bit of advice. I've found a reference from National Archives Kew that James Ware served in NSW Veterans Corps "in the generic date range 1760 - 1854". WO97/1173/239. He was one of my ancestors, a convict who arrived Feb 1830 aged about 27 with sentence of 14 years. He spent most, if not all, of his time in the Hunter Valley. 1. Is it possible the reference is to the same person? 2. What was the Veterans Corps? 3. What were the eligibilty criteria for recruits, specially as regards to age and convict background and prior service? 4. If it is the same person, how do I find which unit and more a precise and correct date of service? 5. Would there have been a unit or detachment in the upper Hunter valley? Information gladly accepted, John

Hi Kathryn, I don't know, but as it seems to have been in Collins St, it may have been somewhere near ANZAC House, which is the headquarters of the Victorian RSL. I think someone there would be sure to have known Blamey house. You can email them on rslvic@rslvic.com.au Lenore Frost Essendon, Vic Photo Rescue? Have I rescued your family photos? http://members.optushome.com.au/lenorefrost/photorescue.html

I will be in Melb for only 4 days Sat to Tuesday so trying to do as much research as I can. Can anyone tell me if Blamey House as it was known in 1946 still exists? My father an ex POW was staying there in 1946 Regards Kathryn

From http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/Leaflets/ri2286.htm The purchase of commissions ended in 1871. Regards, Dave Frances Kenney wrote: > Hi Rosie > > > ................. > I am not exactly sure at what date the change took place but I had > family members who purchased their commissions. > .................. > > Frances > > >

Hello I am new to the list. I am seeking advice on where (or how) to find if any information exists about a JOHN PERRY, reportedly a soldier in Newcastle. He is named as the father on the death cert. of my husband's 4x great grandmother, MaryAnn Perry, born c 1812. She does not seem to have a birth cert. for us to get any other info on John from, so we are wondering if we would find military lists or something like that for Newcastle in that time period. Regards, Sue.

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A.W.M. at Canberra has this book and has done look ups for me in the past. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cm950151@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Cenotaph on The Strand Townsville > Margaret have you checked the book "Queenslanders who fought in the Great > War 1914 - 1918" as I am sure some of these men would be mentioned in it > and maybe even have a photo. Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Picard" <Margaret.Picard@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:45 PM > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Cenotaph on The Strand Townsville > > >> Hello Listers >> >> As mentioned in my email 23 Feb 2006 FHANQ members and friends are >> researching the WW1 servicemen who are named on the Townsville Cenotaph, >> Strand Park. Many of the Townsville streets are named after those men >> who made the ultimate sacrifice. If you have any information to share >> please contact Lee Larard by telephoning (07) 4728 6580 or email to >> fhanq@hn.ozemail.com.au for attention Lee. >> >> >> >> At this stage of the project some of the research on given names (in >> brackets) may be at odds with the cenotaph initials and other sources. >> Surnames may have a spelling variation and therefore you should treat all >> the information with care. The surnames and initials recorded on the >> cenotaph appear below. >> >> >> >> ALEXANDER A C (Adam Cardno) ANDERSON A A (Alfred Alexander) ANDERSON C A >> Mc (Claude Alexander Mc Clarence) APLIN G E (Gerald Edward) ARMIT B E >> (Bertram Everard) ARMSTRONG H P (Hutton Perkins) >> >> >> >> BAKER H (Harold Harry) BALDEY JR (James Raymond) BARNARD E F (Frank >> Horace) BARNICLE J A (Joseph Augustine) BARRY D J (Daniel Joseph) >> BARRYMAN T (Thomas Leslie) BAXTER D (Duncan) BAXTER N (Neil) BENSON C >> (Claude Elmhurst) BERGIN P (Philip) BRADSHAW R J (Robert James) BRENTALL >> C (Charles Frederick) BROOKS W C (William Charles Lowry) BROWN W J H >> (William James Henry) BURSTALL R S (Richard Stewart) BURT C E (Clarence >> Edgar) BURTON J L (James Leonard) BARNES H B (Herbert) >> >> >> >> CAHILL E A (Edward Augustine) CAMERON D (Donald) CAMERON J (James) >> CAMPBELL A (Alexander) CARMODY J J (John Joseph) CARNEY F (Frederic >> Michael) CARSE N R (Norman Reginald) CARSE S C G (Sydney Charters Gibson) >> CHANDLER E (Ernest James) CHAPMAN W J (William Joseph) CHURCH G (George) >> CLARK C H (Charles Henry) CLEGG A H (Alfred Henry) COLLINGS M D (Mervyn >> Dane) COPE H G (Harold George Frederick) COTTELL H V (Herbert Vincent) >> CRAIES C (Charles Stuart) CRAIES W A (William Alexander) CUDDAY F H G >> (Fraser Harold George) >> >> >> >> DEARNESS T G (Thomas George) DESCHAMP W F (William Fraley) DESMOND T J >> (Thomas Joseph) DIPROSE E (Ernest) DOOREY A S H (Alfred Stanley Hodgson) >> DORAN J (James) DREDGE J J (John James) DOLBY J (John) >> >> >> >> EDWARDS N V (Norman Victor) EDWARDS W J (William James) >> >> >> >> FEETAM J W (John William) FLOWERS W H (Walter Henry) FOOT A (Alexander >> Madden) FOOT H D (Henry Daintree) FORD H F (Henry Francis) FORD T J >> (Thomas James) FRY J (John George) FULLER G C (George Charles) FORBES J >> (James) >> >> >> >> GILVARRY J P (Francis Joseph) GORDON G D (Gerald Desmond) GORDON N V >> (Norman Victor) GORDON W N (Wylie Norman) GREENSLADE H (Harold)GREGORY J >> (John) GRIFFIN L G (Lewis Gerald) GULLY C H (Cecil Henry) GREEN E (Edgar) >> >> HAMMOND G (George) HATCHETT P (Percy) HAYES R J (Richard John) HIRST J M >> (Joseph Mark) HOAR A J R (Alfred James Richard) HOOPER L F W (Lewis >> William Frederick) HOTSON J E (John Edward) HUMPHRIES A L (Albert >> Lincoln) >> >> >> >> JAMESON C C (Charles Chalmers) JOHNSON C M (Christian Martin) JOHNSON L L >> (Lionel Lewis) JUREKEY W (William) >> >> >> >> KEANE P J (Patrick James) KELLY J J (John William) KELLY L E (Leslie >> Edward Thompson) >> >> >> >> LATCHFORD R G (Reginald George) LAWSON J (John) LILLY G C (George >> Charles) LILLY J H (John Henry) LINDSAY W N (Walter Nicol) LOMAX T >> (Thomas) LONERGANNE R F (Richard Francois) LOWE F W (Francis William) >> LOWTH (Lawrence Gladstone) >> >> >> >> MABIN H (Herbert) MacCORMACK T (Thomas) MACKLEY W B (Walter Bernard) >> MARKS H H S (Herbert Henry Somerset) MARTIN H F S (Henry Francis Samuel) >> McCOLGON W (William) McDONOUGH P S (Percy Samuel) McKAY V (Victor >> Ronald Ingham) McKIERNAN J (Jack Murray) McKILLOP D J (Donald John >> Duncan) McQUEEN O (Orwell) MINEHAN W (William) MEARS S R (Sydney Russell) >> MEENAN P (William Patrick) MURPHY C (Charles Jamieson) MURRAY J C (James >> Cassie) MURRAY M R (Murdock Ross) >> >> >> >> NIX J F (John Edward) NORMAN A H (Augustus Harry) NORRIS E C (Edwin >> Charles) >> >> >> >> O'CALLAGHAN J (John) O'CONNOR W H (William Henry) O'DOWD M P (Peter >> Mathew) >> >> >> >> PASCOE H (Harry) PENNY F R (Francis Robert) PILKINGTON P F (Percival >> Frederick) POPE J (John) POTTS E A (Ernest Arthur) PRIDMORE C B (Charles >> Banks) PUGH G H (Gordon Henry) PUTT W C (William Crispin) >> >> >> >> QUINN H (Hugh) >> >> >> >> REDPATH G (George) ROBERTSON M O (Max Oscar) ROE C E (Cornelius Edwin) >> ROGERS G S (George Sandilands) ROSS W (William) ROWE W J T (William John >> Thomas) RYAN J L (John Lawrence) >> >> >> >> SABADINE E E (Eugene Edward) SCULLY J (James) SHAW H H (Harold Herbert) >> SHEEHAN A J (Albert John) SHEEHAN F (William Frederick Francis Alexander >> David) SHEEHAN R A (Roy Allen) SMITH J I (John Inglis) SMITH T (Thomas) >> SMITH W (William) SOONING J A (James Albert) STURGES H (Harry) >> SUMMERFIELD W J (William Jefferson) SNELHAM A (Arthur) >> >> >> >> THOMSON R P (Robert Percy) TODD E C (Edward Charles) TOMKINS W E (William >> Edward) TOUCH J H F (John Henry Frederick) TRIX W G (William George) >> TUFFLEY A (George Alexander) TOWNSEND G O (George Oluf) >> >> >> >> VAUGHN G (George) VIDLER G T (George Thomas) VILES F W (Francis Watts) >> VILES K McL (Keith McLean) >> >> >> >> WARBOYS C H (Charles Henry) WATSON G M (George Mervin) WATSON K (Keith) >> WATSON T J (Thomas John) WELSH V (Victor) WHYTE A (Alexander) WILLIAMS E >> J (Ernest John) WILLIAMS H E (Harold Ewart) WILSON W O (William Overend) >> WOTTON C C (Cecil Carrick) WHITE F G (Frederick George) >> >> >> >> YATES J E (James Ernest) YATES W J (William James) YEATMAN A P (Allen >> Patrick) >> >> >> >> Hope someone can make a connection. >> >> >> >> Ciao >> >> Margaret Picard >> >> Library Officer >> >> >> >> Family History Association of North Queensland Inc. >> >> >> >> Note we have changed our Internet address to: >> http://members.hn.ozemail.com.au/~fhanq/ >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. 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Hi Mike, Sorry I hadn't answered your post, but for some strange reason I don't appear to have got it, even checked list archives.? Thanks for the story and yes I do have a copy of his war records, I sent away for them a few years ago, I also have quite a number of pictures that he had taken overseas, a cute little envelope with a drawing of a soldier with a bayonet poking at this other little man with a funny hat, and the word "IMSHEE" written under it, also a few other bits like a 1941 Australian Soldiers Club (Fast Hotel) Jerusalem, Christmas menu and a nice letter he wrote just prior to his death. If there is anyone out there who may think they or one of their relations might have been a mate of Jims (Alfred), and think they may be in the pictures, I would be more than happy to scan a copy to them.(unfortunately he didn't put any names on them) Also thank you for the kind offer of a photo of his grave, that would be wonderful, I do have pictures of it, but they would date back to possibly 1943, I am sure nan would love to have a look at a more current one as well. Thanks again Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Barraclough" <kapana@netspace.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AUS-MIL] More on Alfred Charles PELLING > From: > > >X-From_: mike@regiments.org Wed Mar 29 15:51:30 2006 > > Mike - I assume oyu are on the list under another address - please > let me know offlist if you wish to have this one authorised so you > can alos post from it. > > Linda > List-admin AUS-MILITARY > kapana@netspace.net.au > > >Private Alfred Charles James PELLING, QX 6872, enlisted in Bowen > >Hills on 04 July 1940. He was then 23 yrs old, having been born on > >15 July 1916. > >The 2/24 Australian Imperial Force Bn was a Victorian regular army > >Infantry Regiment which actually went to North Africa. It was part > >of the 26th Brigade of the 9th Division. > > > >As Wikipedia relates: > > > >"The 9th Division began embarking for its return to Australia on 24 > >January 1943. The division arrived at Fremantle in Western Australia > >on 18 February whereupon all members of the division were granted > >three weeks leave. The division reformed in April 1943 in the > >semi-tropical Atherton Tableland region of North Queensland where it > >began re-organising and re-training for jungle warfare. As part of > >the conversion to a Jungle Division many of the division's units > >were either separated from the division, reorganised into new roles > >or disbanded. After completing amphibious training near Cairns the > >9th Division departed for Milne Bay in New Guinea in late July and > >early August 1943." > > > >This is a fair summary. > > > >How a Queenslander ended up in the Victorian 2/24th is not clear. > >But it certainly can happen. You will need to search his actual Army > >record, which can be found at: > > > >http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/family_history/armed_services.html > > > >As David Grierson mentioned there is a history of the battalion. It > >is entitled: > > > >Serle, R.P. (editor). The Second Twenty-Fourth Australian Infantry > >Battalion of the 9th Australian Division: A History. Brisbane: > >2/24th Battalion Assn, 1963. > > > >If you wish to try and found out more about your grandfather, there > >are still some copies in the used book shops. > > > >I would be delighted to take a photograph of his grave, if you wish, > >as I reside in Port Moresby. > > > >"PELLING, Private, ALFRED CHARLES JAMES, QX6872. A.LF. 2/24 Bn. > >Australian Infantry. 9th October 1943. Age 27. Son of Charles James > >Pelling and Alethea Jane Pelling; husband of Lurline Ethel Pelling, > >of Bowen Hills, Queensland. B5. D. 11." > > > >Actually, he died of 'illness' not of war wounds. A vast number of > >young boys died of 'illness' in Papua New Guinea, and principally from malaria. > > > >Hope this assists a little more > > > >Mike Moir-Bussy (still safe and sound in PNG) > >* former officer in PNGVR (860624) > >* Secretary, PNG Warriors Association (URL site to be notified soon..........) > >* Erstwhile confrere of 'commanding officer' Todd Mills, over on > >http://www.regiments.org (If you are interested in British Land > >Forces this is the first, the largest and the best!!!!) > >* the Moderator (archivist - kind of!) on the Yahoo brit regiments > >List (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/britregiments , most capably > >managed by Canadian Paul Wallace). Get over there if you want to > >find out more about your genealogical military ancestors. > > > >Phewey! How's that for an advertisement? And, of course, if you want > >to know mostest about Ozzie mil history ..... Stay Tuned!... Right here! > > > >MMB ..... off for a cuppa on the Golden Staircase .......... > >"Hey Boy! ........ kisim wunpela SP .........!" ....... <just kidding!> > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > The Military Historical Society of Australia > http://www.pcug.org.au/~astaunto/mhsa.htm >

From: >X-From_: mike@regiments.org Wed Mar 29 15:51:30 2006 Mike - I assume oyu are on the list under another address - please let me know offlist if you wish to have this one authorised so you can alos post from it. Linda List-admin AUS-MILITARY kapana@netspace.net.au >Private Alfred Charles James PELLING, QX 6872, enlisted in Bowen >Hills on 04 July 1940. He was then 23 yrs old, having been born on >15 July 1916. >The 2/24 Australian Imperial Force Bn was a Victorian regular army >Infantry Regiment which actually went to North Africa. It was part >of the 26th Brigade of the 9th Division. > >As Wikipedia relates: > >"The 9th Division began embarking for its return to Australia on 24 >January 1943. The division arrived at Fremantle in Western Australia >on 18 February whereupon all members of the division were granted >three weeks leave. The division reformed in April 1943 in the >semi-tropical Atherton Tableland region of North Queensland where it >began re-organising and re-training for jungle warfare. As part of >the conversion to a Jungle Division many of the division's units >were either separated from the division, reorganised into new roles >or disbanded. After completing amphibious training near Cairns the >9th Division departed for Milne Bay in New Guinea in late July and >early August 1943." > >This is a fair summary. > >How a Queenslander ended up in the Victorian 2/24th is not clear. >But it certainly can happen. You will need to search his actual Army >record, which can be found at: > >http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/family_history/armed_services.html > >As David Grierson mentioned there is a history of the battalion. It >is entitled: > >Serle, R.P. (editor). The Second Twenty-Fourth Australian Infantry >Battalion of the 9th Australian Division: A History. Brisbane: >2/24th Battalion Assn, 1963. > >If you wish to try and found out more about your grandfather, there >are still some copies in the used book shops. > >I would be delighted to take a photograph of his grave, if you wish, >as I reside in Port Moresby. > >"PELLING, Private, ALFRED CHARLES JAMES, QX6872. A.LF. 2/24 Bn. >Australian Infantry. 9th October 1943. Age 27. Son of Charles James >Pelling and Alethea Jane Pelling; husband of Lurline Ethel Pelling, >of Bowen Hills, Queensland. B5. D. 11." > >Actually, he died of 'illness' not of war wounds. A vast number of >young boys died of 'illness' in Papua New Guinea, and principally from malaria. > >Hope this assists a little more > >Mike Moir-Bussy (still safe and sound in PNG) >* former officer in PNGVR (860624) >* Secretary, PNG Warriors Association (URL site to be notified soon..........) >* Erstwhile confrere of 'commanding officer' Todd Mills, over on >http://www.regiments.org (If you are interested in British Land >Forces this is the first, the largest and the best!!!!) >* the Moderator (archivist - kind of!) on the Yahoo brit regiments >List (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/britregiments , most capably >managed by Canadian Paul Wallace). Get over there if you want to >find out more about your genealogical military ancestors. > >Phewey! How's that for an advertisement? And, of course, if you want >to know mostest about Ozzie mil history ..... Stay Tuned!... Right here! > >MMB ..... off for a cuppa on the Golden Staircase .......... >"Hey Boy! ........ kisim wunpela SP .........!" ....... <just kidding!>

Hello Chris Yes, thank you. We have the CD which was released recently. Have also requested digitizing of all their service records. Ciao Margaret =========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cm950151@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] Cenotaph on The Strand Townsville > Margaret have you checked the book "Queenslanders who fought in the Great > War 1914 - 1918" as I am sure some of these men would be mentioned in it > and maybe even have a photo. Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Picard" <Margaret.Picard@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:45 PM > Subject: [AUS-MIL] Cenotaph on The Strand Townsville > > >> Hello Listers >> >> As mentioned in my email 23 Feb 2006 FHANQ members and friends are >> researching the WW1 servicemen who are named on the Townsville Cenotaph, >> Strand Park. Many of the Townsville streets are named after those men >> who made the ultimate sacrifice. If you have any information to share >> please contact Lee Larard by telephoning (07) 4728 6580 or email to >> fhanq@hn.ozemail.com.au for attention Lee. >> >> >> >> At this stage of the project some of the research on given names (in >> brackets) may be at odds with the cenotaph initials and other sources. >> Surnames may have a spelling variation and therefore you should treat all >> the information with care. The surnames and initials recorded on the >> cenotaph appear below. >> >> >> >> ALEXANDER A C (Adam Cardno) ANDERSON A A (Alfred Alexander) ANDERSON C A >> Mc (Claude Alexander Mc Clarence) APLIN G E (Gerald Edward) ARMIT B E >> (Bertram Everard) ARMSTRONG H P (Hutton Perkins) >> >> >> >> BAKER H (Harold Harry) BALDEY JR (James Raymond) BARNARD E F (Frank >> Horace) BARNICLE J A (Joseph Augustine) BARRY D J (Daniel Joseph) >> BARRYMAN T (Thomas Leslie) BAXTER D (Duncan) BAXTER N (Neil) BENSON C >> (Claude Elmhurst) BERGIN P (Philip) BRADSHAW R J (Robert James) BRENTALL >> C (Charles Frederick) BROOKS W C (William Charles Lowry) BROWN W J H >> (William James Henry) BURSTALL R S (Richard Stewart) BURT C E (Clarence >> Edgar) BURTON J L (James Leonard) BARNES H B (Herbert) >> >> >> >> CAHILL E A (Edward Augustine) CAMERON D (Donald) CAMERON J (James) >> CAMPBELL A (Alexander) CARMODY J J (John Joseph) CARNEY F (Frederic >> Michael) CARSE N R (Norman Reginald) CARSE S C G (Sydney Charters Gibson) >> CHANDLER E (Ernest James) CHAPMAN W J (William Joseph) CHURCH G (George) >> CLARK C H (Charles Henry) CLEGG A H (Alfred Henry) COLLINGS M D (Mervyn >> Dane) COPE H G (Harold George Frederick) COTTELL H V (Herbert Vincent) >> CRAIES C (Charles Stuart) CRAIES W A (William Alexander) CUDDAY F H G >> (Fraser Harold George) >> >> >> >> DEARNESS T G (Thomas George) DESCHAMP W F (William Fraley) DESMOND T J >> (Thomas Joseph) DIPROSE E (Ernest) DOOREY A S H (Alfred Stanley Hodgson) >> DORAN J (James) DREDGE J J (John James) DOLBY J (John) >> >> >> >> EDWARDS N V (Norman Victor) EDWARDS W J (William James) >> >> >> >> FEETAM J W (John William) FLOWERS W H (Walter Henry) FOOT A (Alexander >> Madden) FOOT H D (Henry Daintree) FORD H F (Henry Francis) FORD T J >> (Thomas James) FRY J (John George) FULLER G C (George Charles) FORBES J >> (James) >> >> >> >> GILVARRY J P (Francis Joseph) GORDON G D (Gerald Desmond) GORDON N V >> (Norman Victor) GORDON W N (Wylie Norman) GREENSLADE H (Harold)GREGORY J >> (John) GRIFFIN L G (Lewis Gerald) GULLY C H (Cecil Henry) GREEN E (Edgar) >> >> HAMMOND G (George) HATCHETT P (Percy) HAYES R J (Richard John) HIRST J M >> (Joseph Mark) HOAR A J R (Alfred James Richard) HOOPER L F W (Lewis >> William Frederick) HOTSON J E (John Edward) HUMPHRIES A L (Albert >> Lincoln) >> >> >> >> JAMESON C C (Charles Chalmers) JOHNSON C M (Christian Martin) JOHNSON L L >> (Lionel Lewis) JUREKEY W (William) >> >> >> >> KEANE P J (Patrick James) KELLY J J (John William) KELLY L E (Leslie >> Edward Thompson) >> >> >> >> LATCHFORD R G (Reginald George) LAWSON J (John) LILLY G C (George >> Charles) LILLY J H (John Henry) LINDSAY W N (Walter Nicol) LOMAX T >> (Thomas) LONERGANNE R F (Richard Francois) LOWE F W (Francis William) >> LOWTH (Lawrence Gladstone) >> >> >> >> MABIN H (Herbert) MacCORMACK T (Thomas) MACKLEY W B (Walter Bernard) >> MARKS H H S (Herbert Henry Somerset) MARTIN H F S (Henry Francis Samuel) >> McCOLGON W (William) McDONOUGH P S (Percy Samuel) McKAY V (Victor >> Ronald Ingham) McKIERNAN J (Jack Murray) McKILLOP D J (Donald John >> Duncan) McQUEEN O (Orwell) MINEHAN W (William) MEARS S R (Sydney Russell) >> MEENAN P (William Patrick) MURPHY C (Charles Jamieson) MURRAY J C (James >> Cassie) MURRAY M R (Murdock Ross) >> >> >> >> NIX J F (John Edward) NORMAN A H (Augustus Harry) NORRIS E C (Edwin >> Charles) >> >> >> >> O'CALLAGHAN J (John) O'CONNOR W H (William Henry) O'DOWD M P (Peter >> Mathew) >> >> >> >> PASCOE H (Harry) PENNY F R (Francis Robert) PILKINGTON P F (Percival >> Frederick) POPE J (John) POTTS E A (Ernest Arthur) PRIDMORE C B (Charles >> Banks) PUGH G H (Gordon Henry) PUTT W C (William Crispin) >> >> >> >> QUINN H (Hugh) >> >> >> >> REDPATH G (George) ROBERTSON M O (Max Oscar) ROE C E (Cornelius Edwin) >> ROGERS G S (George Sandilands) ROSS W (William) ROWE W J T (William John >> Thomas) RYAN J L (John Lawrence) >> >> >> >> SABADINE E E (Eugene Edward) SCULLY J (James) SHAW H H (Harold Herbert) >> SHEEHAN A J (Albert John) SHEEHAN F (William Frederick Francis Alexander >> David) SHEEHAN R A (Roy Allen) SMITH J I (John Inglis) SMITH T (Thomas) >> SMITH W (William) SOONING J A (James Albert) STURGES H (Harry) >> SUMMERFIELD W J (William Jefferson) SNELHAM A (Arthur) >> >> >> >> THOMSON R P (Robert Percy) TODD E C (Edward Charles) TOMKINS W E (William >> Edward) TOUCH J H F (John Henry Frederick) TRIX W G (William George) >> TUFFLEY A (George Alexander) TOWNSEND G O (George Oluf) >> >> >> >> VAUGHN G (George) VIDLER G T (George Thomas) VILES F W (Francis Watts) >> VILES K McL (Keith McLean) >> >> >> >> WARBOYS C H (Charles Henry) WATSON G M (George Mervin) WATSON K (Keith) >> WATSON T J (Thomas John) WELSH V (Victor) WHYTE A (Alexander) WILLIAMS E >> J (Ernest John) WILLIAMS H E (Harold Ewart) WILSON W O (William Overend) >> WOTTON C C (Cecil Carrick) WHITE F G (Frederick George) >> >> >> >> YATES J E (James Ernest) YATES W J (William James) YEATMAN A P (Allen >> Patrick) >> >> >> >> Hope someone can make a connection. >> >> >> >> Ciao >> >> Margaret Picard >> >> Library Officer >> >> >> >> Family History Association of North Queensland Inc. >> >> >> >> Note we have changed our Internet address to: >> http://members.hn.ozemail.com.au/~fhanq/ >> >> >> ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== >> AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. 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Thanks Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Kenney" <fkenney@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MIL] "Discharge by Purchase" > Hi Rosie > > A discharge by purchase is just that. > > Before about 1870 officers could purchase their commission in the > English Army. The more money you had meant the higher the level of > officer. > > If you wanted out of the army - you simply sold off your commission. > and used the money to retire on > > After about 1870 Commissions had to be earnt the way they do it today - > go up through the ranks. > > I am not exactly sure at what date the change took place but I had > family members who purchased their commissions. > > > Frances > > > At 06:50 AM 29/03/2006, you wrote: >>I have an ancestor who was in the 28th Regiment of Foot (North >>Gloucestershire) and i have found a reference to his discharge which says >>"discharge by purchase" >> >>can anyone tell me what this means please? > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Margaret have you checked the book "Queenslanders who fought in the Great War 1914 - 1918" as I am sure some of these men would be mentioned in it and maybe even have a photo. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Picard" <Margaret.Picard@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: [AUS-MIL] Cenotaph on The Strand Townsville > Hello Listers > > As mentioned in my email 23 Feb 2006 FHANQ members and friends are > researching the WW1 servicemen who are named on the Townsville Cenotaph, > Strand Park. Many of the Townsville streets are named after those men who > made the ultimate sacrifice. If you have any information to share please > contact Lee Larard by telephoning (07) 4728 6580 or email to > fhanq@hn.ozemail.com.au for attention Lee. > > > > At this stage of the project some of the research on given names (in > brackets) may be at odds with the cenotaph initials and other sources. > Surnames may have a spelling variation and therefore you should treat all > the information with care. The surnames and initials recorded on the > cenotaph appear below. > > > > ALEXANDER A C (Adam Cardno) ANDERSON A A (Alfred Alexander) ANDERSON C A > Mc (Claude Alexander Mc Clarence) APLIN G E (Gerald Edward) ARMIT B E > (Bertram Everard) ARMSTRONG H P (Hutton Perkins) > > > > BAKER H (Harold Harry) BALDEY JR (James Raymond) BARNARD E F (Frank > Horace) BARNICLE J A (Joseph Augustine) BARRY D J (Daniel Joseph) BARRYMAN > T (Thomas Leslie) BAXTER D (Duncan) BAXTER N (Neil) BENSON C (Claude > Elmhurst) BERGIN P (Philip) BRADSHAW R J (Robert James) BRENTALL C > (Charles Frederick) BROOKS W C (William Charles Lowry) BROWN W J H > (William James Henry) BURSTALL R S (Richard Stewart) BURT C E (Clarence > Edgar) BURTON J L (James Leonard) BARNES H B (Herbert) > > > > CAHILL E A (Edward Augustine) CAMERON D (Donald) CAMERON J (James) > CAMPBELL A (Alexander) CARMODY J J (John Joseph) CARNEY F (Frederic > Michael) CARSE N R (Norman Reginald) CARSE S C G (Sydney Charters Gibson) > CHANDLER E (Ernest James) CHAPMAN W J (William Joseph) CHURCH G (George) > CLARK C H (Charles Henry) CLEGG A H (Alfred Henry) COLLINGS M D (Mervyn > Dane) COPE H G (Harold George Frederick) COTTELL H V (Herbert Vincent) > CRAIES C (Charles Stuart) CRAIES W A (William Alexander) CUDDAY F H G > (Fraser Harold George) > > > > DEARNESS T G (Thomas George) DESCHAMP W F (William Fraley) DESMOND T J > (Thomas Joseph) DIPROSE E (Ernest) DOOREY A S H (Alfred Stanley Hodgson) > DORAN J (James) DREDGE J J (John James) DOLBY J (John) > > > > EDWARDS N V (Norman Victor) EDWARDS W J (William James) > > > > FEETAM J W (John William) FLOWERS W H (Walter Henry) FOOT A (Alexander > Madden) FOOT H D (Henry Daintree) FORD H F (Henry Francis) FORD T J > (Thomas James) FRY J (John George) FULLER G C (George Charles) FORBES J > (James) > > > > GILVARRY J P (Francis Joseph) GORDON G D (Gerald Desmond) GORDON N V > (Norman Victor) GORDON W N (Wylie Norman) GREENSLADE H (Harold)GREGORY J > (John) GRIFFIN L G (Lewis Gerald) GULLY C H (Cecil Henry) GREEN E (Edgar) > > HAMMOND G (George) HATCHETT P (Percy) HAYES R J (Richard John) HIRST J M > (Joseph Mark) HOAR A J R (Alfred James Richard) HOOPER L F W (Lewis > William Frederick) HOTSON J E (John Edward) HUMPHRIES A L (Albert Lincoln) > > > > JAMESON C C (Charles Chalmers) JOHNSON C M (Christian Martin) JOHNSON L L > (Lionel Lewis) JUREKEY W (William) > > > > KEANE P J (Patrick James) KELLY J J (John William) KELLY L E (Leslie > Edward Thompson) > > > > LATCHFORD R G (Reginald George) LAWSON J (John) LILLY G C (George Charles) > LILLY J H (John Henry) LINDSAY W N (Walter Nicol) LOMAX T (Thomas) > LONERGANNE R F (Richard Francois) LOWE F W (Francis William) LOWTH > (Lawrence Gladstone) > > > > MABIN H (Herbert) MacCORMACK T (Thomas) MACKLEY W B (Walter Bernard) MARKS > H H S (Herbert Henry Somerset) MARTIN H F S (Henry Francis Samuel) > McCOLGON W (William) McDONOUGH P S (Percy Samuel) McKAY V (Victor Ronald > Ingham) McKIERNAN J (Jack Murray) McKILLOP D J (Donald John Duncan) > McQUEEN O (Orwell) MINEHAN W (William) MEARS S R (Sydney Russell) MEENAN P > (William Patrick) MURPHY C (Charles Jamieson) MURRAY J C (James Cassie) > MURRAY M R (Murdock Ross) > > > > NIX J F (John Edward) NORMAN A H (Augustus Harry) NORRIS E C (Edwin > Charles) > > > > O'CALLAGHAN J (John) O'CONNOR W H (William Henry) O'DOWD M P (Peter > Mathew) > > > > PASCOE H (Harry) PENNY F R (Francis Robert) PILKINGTON P F (Percival > Frederick) POPE J (John) POTTS E A (Ernest Arthur) PRIDMORE C B (Charles > Banks) PUGH G H (Gordon Henry) PUTT W C (William Crispin) > > > > QUINN H (Hugh) > > > > REDPATH G (George) ROBERTSON M O (Max Oscar) ROE C E (Cornelius Edwin) > ROGERS G S (George Sandilands) ROSS W (William) ROWE W J T (William John > Thomas) RYAN J L (John Lawrence) > > > > SABADINE E E (Eugene Edward) SCULLY J (James) SHAW H H (Harold Herbert) > SHEEHAN A J (Albert John) SHEEHAN F (William Frederick Francis Alexander > David) SHEEHAN R A (Roy Allen) SMITH J I (John Inglis) SMITH T (Thomas) > SMITH W (William) SOONING J A (James Albert) STURGES H (Harry) SUMMERFIELD > W J (William Jefferson) SNELHAM A (Arthur) > > > > THOMSON R P (Robert Percy) TODD E C (Edward Charles) TOMKINS W E (William > Edward) TOUCH J H F (John Henry Frederick) TRIX W G (William George) > TUFFLEY A (George Alexander) TOWNSEND G O (George Oluf) > > > > VAUGHN G (George) VIDLER G T (George Thomas) VILES F W (Francis Watts) > VILES K McL (Keith McLean) > > > > WARBOYS C H (Charles Henry) WATSON G M (George Mervin) WATSON K (Keith) > WATSON T J (Thomas John) WELSH V (Victor) WHYTE A (Alexander) WILLIAMS E J > (Ernest John) WILLIAMS H E (Harold Ewart) WILSON W O (William Overend) > WOTTON C C (Cecil Carrick) WHITE F G (Frederick George) > > > > YATES J E (James Ernest) YATES W J (William James) YEATMAN A P (Allen > Patrick) > > > > Hope someone can make a connection. > > > > Ciao > > Margaret Picard > > Library Officer > > > > Family History Association of North Queensland Inc. > > > > Note we have changed our Internet address to: > http://members.hn.ozemail.com.au/~fhanq/ > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > AUS-MILITARY is set so that, by default, replies go to the list. Please > check your replies before sending, to make sure that is what you know is > happening. > >

Hello Listers As mentioned in my email 23 Feb 2006 FHANQ members and friends are researching the WW1 servicemen who are named on the Townsville Cenotaph, Strand Park. Many of the Townsville streets are named after those men who made the ultimate sacrifice. If you have any information to share please contact Lee Larard by telephoning (07) 4728 6580 or email to fhanq@hn.ozemail.com.au for attention Lee. At this stage of the project some of the research on given names (in brackets) may be at odds with the cenotaph initials and other sources. Surnames may have a spelling variation and therefore you should treat all the information with care. The surnames and initials recorded on the cenotaph appear below. ALEXANDER A C (Adam Cardno) ANDERSON A A (Alfred Alexander) ANDERSON C A Mc (Claude Alexander Mc Clarence) APLIN G E (Gerald Edward) ARMIT B E (Bertram Everard) ARMSTRONG H P (Hutton Perkins) BAKER H (Harold Harry) BALDEY JR (James Raymond) BARNARD E F (Frank Horace) BARNICLE J A (Joseph Augustine) BARRY D J (Daniel Joseph) BARRYMAN T (Thomas Leslie) BAXTER D (Duncan) BAXTER N (Neil) BENSON C (Claude Elmhurst) BERGIN P (Philip) BRADSHAW R J (Robert James) BRENTALL C (Charles Frederick) BROOKS W C (William Charles Lowry) BROWN W J H (William James Henry) BURSTALL R S (Richard Stewart) BURT C E (Clarence Edgar) BURTON J L (James Leonard) BARNES H B (Herbert) CAHILL E A (Edward Augustine) CAMERON D (Donald) CAMERON J (James) CAMPBELL A (Alexander) CARMODY J J (John Joseph) CARNEY F (Frederic Michael) CARSE N R (Norman Reginald) CARSE S C G (Sydney Charters Gibson) CHANDLER E (Ernest James) CHAPMAN W J (William Joseph) CHURCH G (George) CLARK C H (Charles Henry) CLEGG A H (Alfred Henry) COLLINGS M D (Mervyn Dane) COPE H G (Harold George Frederick) COTTELL H V (Herbert Vincent) CRAIES C (Charles Stuart) CRAIES W A (William Alexander) CUDDAY F H G (Fraser Harold George) DEARNESS T G (Thomas George) DESCHAMP W F (William Fraley) DESMOND T J (Thomas Joseph) DIPROSE E (Ernest) DOOREY A S H (Alfred Stanley Hodgson) DORAN J (James) DREDGE J J (John James) DOLBY J (John) EDWARDS N V (Norman Victor) EDWARDS W J (William James) FEETAM J W (John William) FLOWERS W H (Walter Henry) FOOT A (Alexander Madden) FOOT H D (Henry Daintree) FORD H F (Henry Francis) FORD T J (Thomas James) FRY J (John George) FULLER G C (George Charles) FORBES J (James) GILVARRY J P (Francis Joseph) GORDON G D (Gerald Desmond) GORDON N V (Norman Victor) GORDON W N (Wylie Norman) GREENSLADE H (Harold)GREGORY J (John) GRIFFIN L G (Lewis Gerald) GULLY C H (Cecil Henry) GREEN E (Edgar) HAMMOND G (George) HATCHETT P (Percy) HAYES R J (Richard John) HIRST J M (Joseph Mark) HOAR A J R (Alfred James Richard) HOOPER L F W (Lewis William Frederick) HOTSON J E (John Edward) HUMPHRIES A L (Albert Lincoln) JAMESON C C (Charles Chalmers) JOHNSON C M (Christian Martin) JOHNSON L L (Lionel Lewis) JUREKEY W (William) KEANE P J (Patrick James) KELLY J J (John William) KELLY L E (Leslie Edward Thompson) LATCHFORD R G (Reginald George) LAWSON J (John) LILLY G C (George Charles) LILLY J H (John Henry) LINDSAY W N (Walter Nicol) LOMAX T (Thomas) LONERGANNE R F (Richard Francois) LOWE F W (Francis William) LOWTH (Lawrence Gladstone) MABIN H (Herbert) MacCORMACK T (Thomas) MACKLEY W B (Walter Bernard) MARKS H H S (Herbert Henry Somerset) MARTIN H F S (Henry Francis Samuel) McCOLGON W (William) McDONOUGH P S (Percy Samuel) McKAY V (Victor Ronald Ingham) McKIERNAN J (Jack Murray) McKILLOP D J (Donald John Duncan) McQUEEN O (Orwell) MINEHAN W (William) MEARS S R (Sydney Russell) MEENAN P (William Patrick) MURPHY C (Charles Jamieson) MURRAY J C (James Cassie) MURRAY M R (Murdock Ross) NIX J F (John Edward) NORMAN A H (Augustus Harry) NORRIS E C (Edwin Charles) O'CALLAGHAN J (John) O'CONNOR W H (William Henry) O'DOWD M P (Peter Mathew) PASCOE H (Harry) PENNY F R (Francis Robert) PILKINGTON P F (Percival Frederick) POPE J (John) POTTS E A (Ernest Arthur) PRIDMORE C B (Charles Banks) PUGH G H (Gordon Henry) PUTT W C (William Crispin) QUINN H (Hugh) REDPATH G (George) ROBERTSON M O (Max Oscar) ROE C E (Cornelius Edwin) ROGERS G S (George Sandilands) ROSS W (William) ROWE W J T (William John Thomas) RYAN J L (John Lawrence) SABADINE E E (Eugene Edward) SCULLY J (James) SHAW H H (Harold Herbert) SHEEHAN A J (Albert John) SHEEHAN F (William Frederick Francis Alexander David) SHEEHAN R A (Roy Allen) SMITH J I (John Inglis) SMITH T (Thomas) SMITH W (William) SOONING J A (James Albert) STURGES H (Harry) SUMMERFIELD W J (William Jefferson) SNELHAM A (Arthur) THOMSON R P (Robert Percy) TODD E C (Edward Charles) TOMKINS W E (William Edward) TOUCH J H F (John Henry Frederick) TRIX W G (William George) TUFFLEY A (George Alexander) TOWNSEND G O (George Oluf) VAUGHN G (George) VIDLER G T (George Thomas) VILES F W (Francis Watts) VILES K McL (Keith McLean) WARBOYS C H (Charles Henry) WATSON G M (George Mervin) WATSON K (Keith) WATSON T J (Thomas John) WELSH V (Victor) WHYTE A (Alexander) WILLIAMS E J (Ernest John) WILLIAMS H E (Harold Ewart) WILSON W O (William Overend) WOTTON C C (Cecil Carrick) WHITE F G (Frederick George) YATES J E (James Ernest) YATES W J (William James) YEATMAN A P (Allen Patrick) Hope someone can make a connection. Ciao Margaret Picard Library Officer Family History Association of North Queensland Inc. Note we have changed our Internet address to: http://members.hn.ozemail.com.au/~fhanq/

Further, this process could be applied to ORs, and in spite of Frances' submission I think your ancestor was more than likely to have been in the ranks due to the terminology used - "discharge by purchase", ie an individual had bought his discharge. An officer would probably be noted as having left the regiment "commission sold". One of my ancestors, who joined an unknown Regiment in 1806 following a family dispute, was "bought out" by his older brother shortly thereafter. The brothers were unable to resolve their dispute, and to my great good fortune (indeed my very existence), my ancestor subsequentially joined the 73rd Highlanders, later the 73rd Foot, which accompanied Col Lachlan Macquarie to Australia in 1809-10. Cheers David Grierson in Melbourne Frances Kenney wrote: > Hi Rosie > > A discharge by purchase is just that. > > Before about 1870 officers could purchase their commission in the > English Army. The more money you had meant the higher the level of > officer. > > If you wanted out of the army - you simply sold off your > commission. and used the money to retire on > > After about 1870 Commissions had to be earnt the way they do it > today - go up through the ranks. > > I am not exactly sure at what date the change took place but I had > family members who purchased their commissions. > > > Frances > > > At 06:50 AM 29/03/2006, you wrote: > >> I have an ancestor who was in the 28th Regiment of Foot (North >> Gloucestershire) and i have found a reference to his discharge which >> says "discharge by purchase" >> >> can anyone tell me what this means please? > > > > ==== AUS-MILITARY Mailing List ==== > Please support RootsWeb who make this list possible > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

thanks does this infer that he held a commission? rosie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Thomas" <pmthomas@bigpond.com> To: "'Rosalee'" <rosaleeshaw@ozemail.com.au>; <AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: RE: "Discharge by Purchase" > > In times long gone, once a soldier enlisted, he was expected to serve > the full term for which he enlisted. He could not "resign" by giving > notice, etc. In order to secure an early discharge, he could pay for > the privilege. > > Alternatively, he might try for a dishonourable discharge, but that > often carried the risk of prison. > > Sorry, but I don't know when "Discharge by Purchase" became obsolete. > > Officers could buy & sell their commissions. That came to an end after > the Crimean War. > > Peter THOMAS > Darwin, AUSTRALIA > <pmthomas@bigpond.com> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosalee [mailto:rosaleeshaw@ozemail.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 6:21 AM > To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: "Discharge by Purchase" > > > I have an ancestor who was in the 28th Regiment of Foot (North > Gloucestershire) and i have found a reference to his discharge which > says > "discharge by purchase" > > can anyone tell me what this means please? > > rosie > > ______________________________

Hi Rosie A discharge by purchase is just that. Before about 1870 officers could purchase their commission in the English Army. The more money you had meant the higher the level of officer. If you wanted out of the army - you simply sold off your commission. and used the money to retire on After about 1870 Commissions had to be earnt the way they do it today - go up through the ranks. I am not exactly sure at what date the change took place but I had family members who purchased their commissions. Frances At 06:50 AM 29/03/2006, you wrote: >I have an ancestor who was in the 28th Regiment of Foot (North >Gloucestershire) and i have found a reference to his discharge which >says "discharge by purchase" > >can anyone tell me what this means please?

In times long gone, once a soldier enlisted, he was expected to serve the full term for which he enlisted. He could not "resign" by giving notice, etc. In order to secure an early discharge, he could pay for the privilege. Alternatively, he might try for a dishonourable discharge, but that often carried the risk of prison. Sorry, but I don't know when "Discharge by Purchase" became obsolete. Officers could buy & sell their commissions. That came to an end after the Crimean War. Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Rosalee [mailto:rosaleeshaw@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 6:21 AM To: AUS-MILITARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: "Discharge by Purchase" I have an ancestor who was in the 28th Regiment of Foot (North Gloucestershire) and i have found a reference to his discharge which says "discharge by purchase" can anyone tell me what this means please? rosie ______________________________