Hi Chris I have found in my family 3 children out of 8 are not on the Pioneer Index. 4 out of 8 children on another family,its not until you look on the death cd is when they turn up. Julie> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:44:18 +1000> Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] BMD Walker David PATRICK> > > Dear Julie,> > That's interesting.I had no idea there was another child born. Maybe he was > born when the family was in Sth Africa. I'm going to have to call my aged > aunt on this one.> Thanks for your help.> Cheers Chris> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > this is the only one> > Julie NSurname : patrick (179 matches)Given Names > > : david (15853 matches)> > Total matching records: 1--------------------> > Surname: PATRICKGiven Names: David Father: DavidMother: Jean WALKER Death > > Place: MELB Age: 85Age Code: Year: 1969 Reg Number: 16761Event: D> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger treats you to 30 free emoticons - Bees, cows, tigers and more! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=567534

Hello listers, Problem was, if you missed one child, that carried a fine... if you missed 2, a second fine... if you left off the child/chn not registered when you registered later chn, that was perjury. The fine was ten pounds per non-registration, perjury brought a jail term. They initially 1853-1864 had 15 days to register. Owners of houses in which a birth took place had 15 days to inform the deputy registrar of the district fine ten pounds if found to have neglected to do so., and if the parent had a good reason (wife and child gravely ill, etc) then an application had to be accompanied by a solemn declaration. Any attempt after 60 days, without the declaration, a further fine of five pounds, and if an attempt to register after 12 months, another five pounds fine. And the law stated "After 60 days it shall not be lawful for the Deputy Registrar or the Chief Registrar to register the birth." Did this mean that, even though you paid the fines, if more than 60 days had passed, you paid, but still the child was not registered? I reckon lots of tardy parents registered their young children out of their district and claimed "recently born" though possibly 6-12 months old... I reckon you could do that if the child was "not present" as it says on the certificate if only the parent fronts up to register. And then, according to cases in the Supreme Court after 1899, when a child could gain "late registration with a baptismal certificate or a stat dec from a nurse, doctor, etc" many a child was not registered because the parents wanted to evade compulsory vaccination (from 1855) for smallpox. After June 1865 the time to register was extended to 60 days, and a declaration up to 12 months, but still with the same fines. Then in 1890 late registration after 12 months but within seven years was allowed.. until the above 1899 Act which gave no time frame, but insisted on a court appearance.. either the County or the Supreme Court. I wrote a long article "Unregistered Births in Victoria" for the AIGS magazine "The Genealogist" in December 1988, it is worth reading, based on law and applications to the Supreme court 1899-1922. Late registrations showed were filed in the birth year, at the ends of the lists, and carried an "X" and then the year the late registration was granted, so "24689X1918" would have been normalized retrospectively in 1918 after the court application and approval. Hope that's of interest Regards Ada Ackerly Julie N wrote: > Hi Chris > I have found in my family 3 children out of 8 are not on the Pioneer Index. > 4 out of 8 children on another family,its not until you look on the death cd is when they turn up. > >