Hi Lynn What a queue they would have joined. My GGG Grandfather Thomas Jennings left Melbourne in 1843 and spent £36,000 trying to prove he was an heir, unsuccessfully. His father had an older brother anyway so I don't know how he thought he should have been in the queue. Have you read Bleak House by Charles Dickens? It is based loosely on 'The Great Jennens Case' The guy who received the bulk of it was from the wrong branch of the family and was illegitimate, as was later discovered. So there were more court cases. I think it was proved that it had gone to the wrong person, but as there was no money left by then, (it was supposed to have been in trust), it was all rather pointless, unless you were a solicitor. Gladys lmeehan@dodo.com.au wrote: -- Gladys Koetsveld

Hi All, I think MPNA is the short form of Mooroopna, in country Victoria. (nearby to Shepparton) ARAT is Ararat, also country Victoria, FITZ is Fitzroy is a suburb of Melbourne, Victoria I think Newport is a suburb of Geelong, Victoria, STKI is short for St.Kilda, which is a seaside suburb of Melbourne. Best regards, Leona Smithurst in Toowoomba, Qld. (ex Melburnian) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/03/06

I am trying to fit the final part into a jig saw puzzle and hope that you may be able to help. I can give you the following information My great granmother born 5.10.1871 Mary henderson left England on the Macquarie bound for Sydney on 5.9.1985 the voyage was to last 104 days.(we have ships passenger list for this voyage) She was accompanied by her brother Robert Henderson. They took up residence around melbourne. She was a trained musician from the Royal academy and the possibility was she mixed with a musical/bohemian group in the area. It is believed she had a relationship with a man called Allen James Lindsay or James Allen Lindsay* (see below) and as a result my grandfather Hamilton Lindsay was born 12 April 1900 at Riddells Creek (we have the birth registration) bu there is no father's name on certificate. My granmother returned to England with Hamilton Sept/Oct 1901 on SS Rome - have not traced the ships passenger list - I traced a man called Allen J Lindsay 33 years in 1903 who travelled toEngland on the SS Persic arriving at Tilbury 13.10.03. * The man James Lindsay Allen aged 30 years occupation gentleman address given as George hotel S Kilda but usual address Healsville? birthplace St Oban, Scotland. He married a woman Mabel Jelfs 22 years born Melbourne, spinster musician of 46 Grieve Street St Kilda. Father's name Joseph Jelfs, mothers maiden name Sarah Howie. The marriage took place at St Judes Church, Carlton, Melbourne March 30 1901 Regisre No 324 @ St Judes. I wonder if there is any way of checking any of this information, such as address books/trade directories etc? Denise Amos *********************************************************** See the Nottinghamshire Heritage Gateway at www.thorotonsociety.org.uk <http://www.thorotonsociety.org.uk/> "This is wonderfully, clearly designed and easy to navigate, as well as having extremely useful content" Elizabeth Williamson, English Heritage Commissioner. "...the site is clear, easy to navigate, and informative...Ideally websites like this should be available throughout the country." Local History News. Denise Amos, co-ordinator for NHG. Contact me at denise@boobbyer.fsnet.co.uk. ***************************************************************

Hi Jenny Thanks for your quick reply. I tried the email address on the web page and my message bounced back. Now trying again. I read your information about the geelong immigration schemes and wondered where I could find more information about the following entry? Mahoney John 1845 thanks Chrisy Dennis Jenny Fawcett wrote: >Chrisy >My email address was on the webpage you were looking at, >cheers >Jenny Fawcett > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chrisy Dennis" <mrfish@alphalink.com.au> >To: <AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:20 AM >Subject: [AUS-MELB] contact for Jenny Fawcett > > > > >>Hi everyone >>Does anyone have a current email address for Jenny Fawcett? I found some >>information on her page and wanted to discuss some of the information. >>Its at http://www.genseek.net/geelong2.htm >> >>thanks >>Chrisy Dennis >> >> >> >>==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== >>==================================================== >>Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! >> >>============================== >>View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > > >==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== >Searchable archives at >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUS-MELBOURNE-L > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >. > > >

Hi Lis <snip> >Does anyone know of a way to search probate records for the >Beneficiaries of a Will rather than the name of the person who left the >Will? No, except curiously in South Australia. I suppose you are familliar with the 'SA WILLS BENEFICIARIES INDEX' by JACKSON Roxanne Jackson? Of course, it would only apply to Wills proved in South Australia - but if the deceased owned land in South Australia, there would have had to have been some Probate action there as well, so it is an outside chance. Ditto Queensland. But the fact that William Warwood came to Melbourne suggests that the main action respecting Probate took place in Melbourne. I'd be guessing that the deceased had retired to reside in Melbourne and his solicitors were in Melbourne. (Though Warwood I suppose might have disembarked in Melbourne to train it to Sydney or Brisbane, but without further knowledge, I guess you'd start by assuming that the main Probate was done in Melbourne.) >Does anyone know how I could access the probate records from South >Australia where I live? They're not digitised, so apart from the index, you'll have to come to Victoria to look at the papers yourself or pay a researcher. But you haven't got to that stage yet. >Does anyone have any suggestions on how else I might establish who the >person was who left his estate to Diana? Seeing you know that the deceased had relatives in South Australia, I'd be concentrating on them. Turn them over with a fine tooth comb. Look at every land deal of theirs, in case there was a transfer from the deceased person to a Simm (or other name that you know). Check all their obituaries in case one says something like "came out to join his uncle in (somewhere) to jackeroo, but later came to South Australia". Check all the girls' wedding notices, in case one of them mentions a gift from an uncle/cousin whatever - you'll have to investigate all the names, some of them will be friends and neighbours, but he might have sent a cheque. Wedding gifts are often listed in newspaper stories about weddings. Check all their death notices in case one of them was inserted by the deceased person. As we like to say in genie circles, work from the known to the unknown. You know the relations in South Australia, so that will be the section of Mrs Warwood's family where the relative belonged, one would assume. He might have even been present and witnessed a marriage or a burial. Mind you, if the story is true that the deceased had a few aboriginal wives at the time of his death, it doesn't sound like he was living in Melbourne after all. Best wishes, Lenore Frost Essendon, Vic

FITZ = Fitzroy MPNA = Mooroopna ARAT = Ararat NEWP = Newport STKI = St Kilda Peter THOMAS Darwin, AUSTRALIA <pmthomas@bigpond.com> -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn Harding [mailto:emh_37@qld.chariot.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 5 March 2006 10:57 AM To: AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: More placename help needed Cheers all, also need help with these names from certificates. FITZ MPNA ARAT NEWP STKI many thanks Evelyn ______________________________

Chrisy My email address was on the webpage you were looking at, cheers Jenny Fawcett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chrisy Dennis" <mrfish@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:20 AM Subject: [AUS-MELB] contact for Jenny Fawcett > Hi everyone > Does anyone have a current email address for Jenny Fawcett? I found some > information on her page and wanted to discuss some of the information. > Its at http://www.genseek.net/geelong2.htm > > thanks > Chrisy Dennis > > > > ==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== > ==================================================== > Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Neil - W. L. Bosschart may be the Willem Lodewk Bosschart buried at the Brighton General Cemetery in Melbourne, details as follows: Buried: Saturday 16 Feb 1924 10:20 am Location: Meth "P" 1 Age: 64 years Occuptation: Retired Consul General for Netherlands Resided: 21 Winter St, Malvern Born: Amsterdam, Holland Undertaker: Rayboulds (Ernest Walker) Monumental Mason: Jaqeurs & Sons (Rustic Granite Kerbing 12/6/25) The wife's name may be a Mrs Louisa Arendina Bosschart. Looks like Willem died as a result of an operation. Happy to supply a photo of the grave if desired. Just put through a research request via the website below. I too am very much interested in contacting descendants of Willem for the purpose of compiling a profile for the Brighton Cemetorians. Kind regards Travis M. Sellers Brighton Cemetorians (CEMEtery hisTORIANS) PO Box 8054 North Road LPO EAST BRIGHTON VIC 3187 AUSTRALIA mailto:info@brightoncemetorians.org visit our website: http://www.brightoncemetorians.org ----- Message from "Neil" <newpond@bigpond.net.au> on Sun, 5 Mar 2006 07:27:30 +0800 ----- To: AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Ploos Van Amstel, de Vicq, Reelfs, Bosschart Hello I am trying to find information on or contact descendants of the following Consul-Generals for the Netherlands at Melbourne: Jan Willem Ploos van Amstel 1859 - 1878 Eduard Ploos van Amstel (Vice-Consul) 1864 Daniel Ploos van Amstel 1879 - 1889 J.A. de Vicq 1889 -? J.C.T. Reelfs 1890s W.L. Bosschart 1900 onwards Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much Neil W.A. -- Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg

Hi if you know more dates there are police Records also papers to look in I am not sure if they are on line the papers etc ----- Original Message ----- > Hi everyone, > > Lis's question had me wondering if there is anywhere to look for my lot. > > > > Two men were sent to England to claim something to do with Jennings > > inheritance. My grandmother could remember when she was a young girl the > > family putting in money to send them. The first one was going to sail > from > > Melbourne (Nan was born 1913, so maybe about 1920+), he had all the > > paperwork but was murdered in Melbourne - eeks I don't know his name. > > > > Then they sent a second male relation off, he was a drinker, got off to > England > > OK but was never heard from again. Mum's great aunt had told her she > reckons > > he was bought off (or 'knocked off' in England), but didn't tell mum the > names, > > excepting one was her Uncle Tom. Don't know if this was the first or > second > man. > > > > I don't know why he would've been sailing from Melbourne, all the relo's > seem to > > have been living in Sydney (initially from Braidwood,NSW). > > > > ANYWAY, are there any record of murders from around 1920+ in Melbourne? > > > > I can look up all her uncles in my tree, and see if any match. > > Errrrr, I'm off to Sydney for an operation in a couple of days, and am a > sole parent > > who just moved house. Haven't unpacked my genealogy yet! So if I > disappear > for > > a few days please excuse me ... with God's grace it won't be for long. > > > > thanks, Lyn in NSW > > > > ==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUS-MELBOURNE-L > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/03/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/03/2006

Hi everyone Does anyone have a current email address for Jenny Fawcett? I found some information on her page and wanted to discuss some of the information. Its at http://www.genseek.net/geelong2.htm thanks Chrisy Dennis

Hi Evelyn Fitzroy, Moroopna, Ararat, Newport, st Kilda Chrisy Evelyn Harding wrote: >Cheers all, also need help with these names from certificates. > >FITZ >MPNA >ARAT >NEWP >STKI > >many thanks >Evelyn > > >==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== >==================================================== >Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >. > > >

Thanks very much Carmel ! Sorry, I can't get the gist of the 2nd part of your reply. "Here are" should that have been "There are"? as you haven't listed any others. The Tom bit might be misleading especially if the possible Tom wasn't the first man - who left from Melbourne. I just had a look and can't find an uncle Tom on the Jennings side for the old relative who told mum years ago. (mum thinks it was Tom - many years ago!) I wanted to know if there were many murders around 1920+ in Melbourne for me to sift through, and where to get the records. 'Ross' doesn't ring a bell, though I will go through other branches from further back. I'm off to bed, I really need my beauty sleep :) Lyn in southern NSW ----------------- Message------------------------ From: Carmel M Reynen [mailto:fcfibre1@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 March 2006 10:23 PM Subject: another inheritance thing! Lynn There was a Thomas E Ross murdered by gunshot the dates given a inquiry date 22 Oct 1925 but then it has other date 13 Nov 1930. it is the closest after 1920 for a Tom. HERE ARE a few more candidates maybe cross reference with death indexes. It may narrow it down further. Would be interested to know how you get on. Also the numbers will give you the records from PROV which are quite detailed. Carmel ---------------- Original Message ----------------- Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: another inheritance thing! (from Lmeehan@dodo.com.au) > Hi everyone, > Lis's question had me wondering if there is anywhere to look for my lot. > Two men were sent to England to claim something to do with Jennings > inheritance. My grandmother could remember when she was a young girl the > family putting in money to send them. The first one was going to sail > from Melbourne (Nan was born 1913, so maybe about 1920+), he had all the > paperwork but was murdered in Melbourne - eeks I don't know his name. > > Then they sent a second male relation off, he was a drinker, got off to > England OK but was never heard from again. Mum's great aunt had told her > she reckons he was bought off (or 'knocked off' in England), but she > didn't tell mum the names, excepting one was her Uncle Tom. Don't know if > this was the first or second man. > > I don't know why he would've been sailing from Melbourne, all the relo's > seem to have been living in Sydney (initially from Braidwood,NSW). > > ANYWAY, are there any record of murders from around 1920+ in Melbourne? > I can look up all her uncles in my tree, and see if any match. > > Errrrr, I'm off to Sydney for an operation in a couple of days, and am a > sole parent who just moved house. Haven't unpacked my genealogy yet! So > if I disappear for a few days please excuse me ... with God's grace it > won't be for long. > thanks, Lyn in NSW

Lynn There was a Thomas E Ross murdered by gunshot the dates given a inquiry date 22 Oct 1925 but then it has other date 13 Nov 1930. it is the closest after 1920 for a Tom. Here are a few more candidates maybe cross reference with death indexes. It may narrow it down further. Would be interested to know how you get on. Also the numbers will give you the records from PROV which are quite detailed. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmeehan@dodo.com.au> To: <AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:23 PM Subject: [AUS-MELB] another inheritance thing! > Hi everyone, > > Lis's question had me wondering if there is anywhere to look for my lot. > > > > Two men were sent to England to claim something to do with Jennings > > inheritance. My grandmother could remember when she was a young girl the > > family putting in money to send them. The first one was going to sail > from > > Melbourne (Nan was born 1913, so maybe about 1920+), he had all the > > paperwork but was murdered in Melbourne - eeks I don't know his name. > > > > Then they sent a second male relation off, he was a drinker, got off to > England > > OK but was never heard from again. Mum's great aunt had told her she > reckons > > he was bought off (or 'knocked off' in England), but didn't tell mum the > names, > > excepting one was her Uncle Tom. Don't know if this was the first or > second > man. > > > > I don't know why he would've been sailing from Melbourne, all the relo's > seem to > > have been living in Sydney (initially from Braidwood,NSW). > > > > ANYWAY, are there any record of murders from around 1920+ in Melbourne? > > > > I can look up all her uncles in my tree, and see if any match. > > Errrrr, I'm off to Sydney for an operation in a couple of days, and am a > sole parent > > who just moved house. Haven't unpacked my genealogy yet! So if I > disappear > for > > a few days please excuse me ... with God's grace it won't be for long. > > > > thanks, Lyn in NSW > > > > ==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUS-MELBOURNE-L > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:17:00 +1100, Carmel M Reynen wrote: >Can anyone tell me off hand if there is a hotel still standing at 170 Queens Parade or what is there now. >Carmel No Recreation Hotel shows in the online business White Pages. Tom

Hi everyone, Lis's question had me wondering if there is anywhere to look for my lot. Two men were sent to England to claim something to do with Jennings inheritance. My grandmother could remember when she was a young girl the family putting in money to send them. The first one was going to sail from Melbourne (Nan was born 1913, so maybe about 1920+), he had all the paperwork but was murdered in Melbourne - eeks I don't know his name. Then they sent a second male relation off, he was a drinker, got off to England OK but was never heard from again. Mum's great aunt had told her she reckons he was bought off (or 'knocked off' in England), but didn't tell mum the names, excepting one was her Uncle Tom. Don't know if this was the first or second man. I don't know why he would've been sailing from Melbourne, all the relo's seem to have been living in Sydney (initially from Braidwood,NSW). ANYWAY, are there any record of murders from around 1920+ in Melbourne? I can look up all her uncles in my tree, and see if any match. Errrrr, I'm off to Sydney for an operation in a couple of days, and am a sole parent who just moved house. Haven't unpacked my genealogy yet! So if I disappear for a few days please excuse me ... with God's grace it won't be for long. thanks, Lyn in NSW

Many Thanks to all who helped me with Deaths of John Bankhead and Eliza Bankhead And Benjamin Baker . To those who asked this is all I know about Mary Ann Baker Her Maiden Name was Mary Ann Hood and their children are , William, Rose, Maude, Edith Harriett, Margaret ,Ernest Regards and Thanks Again Carol

Can anyone tell me off hand if there is a hotel still standing at 170 Queens Parade or what is there now. Carmel

Hello Carol There is a death for John BANKHEAD d 1882 age 74 Parents and place of death unknown Reg # 8801. Eliza BANKHEAD d 1885 age 77 Parents Richard DYKE & Ann OBERN Place of death unknown Reg # 8692 Benjamin George BAKER d 1885 age 55 Parents Benjamin BAKER & Gracely CHURLEY Death place unknown Reg # 4254 There are about 15 Mary Ann BAKER entries that could fit the bill up to 1901, so parents would be a great help, or children of the marriage may help. Regards Graham Brittain

Evelyn MPNA could be Mooroopna it's about 10 kms west of Shepparton. Regards Joanne -----Original Message----- From: Carmel M Reynen [mailto:fcfibre1@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, 5 March 2006 12:36 PM To: AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-MELB] More placename help needed Evelyn These are on the indexes the certificate has the full name. But you have Fitzroy, a suburb in Melbourne, Ararat, along the Western Highway about 2 hours drive from Melbourne and about half way to Horsham, Newport, also in Melbourne (I think) and St Kilda also Melbourne, the MPNA I believe to be a hospital in Melbourne as one of mine died there and I found an inquest for him. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Harding" <emh_37@qld.chariot.net.au> To: <AUS-MELBOURNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: [AUS-MELB] More placename help needed > Cheers all, also need help with these names from certificates. > > FITZ > MPNA > ARAT > NEWP > STKI > > many thanks > Evelyn > > > ==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== > ==================================================== > Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== ==================================================== Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! ==================================================== Searchable archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUS-MELBOURN E-L ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi All, I am looking for help in finding the following Deaths. 1. John Bankhead and his Wife Eliza Bankhead 2. Benjamin Baker and wife Mary Ann Baker All I think it could have been in the Geelong area and would have been in the late 1800,s. Regards Carol