Hello listers, Problem was, if you missed one child, that carried a fine... if you missed 2, a second fine... if you left off the child/chn not registered when you registered later chn, that was perjury. The fine was ten pounds per non-registration, perjury brought a jail term. They initially 1853-1864 had 15 days to register. Owners of houses in which a birth took place had 15 days to inform the deputy registrar of the district fine ten pounds if found to have neglected to do so., and if the parent had a good reason (wife and child gravely ill, etc) then an application had to be accompanied by a solemn declaration. Any attempt after 60 days, without the declaration, a further fine of five pounds, and if an attempt to register after 12 months, another five pounds fine. And the law stated "After 60 days it shall not be lawful for the Deputy Registrar or the Chief Registrar to register the birth." Did this mean that, even though you paid the fines, if more than 60 days had passed, you paid, but still the child was not registered? I reckon lots of tardy parents registered their young children out of their district and claimed "recently born" though possibly 6-12 months old... I reckon you could do that if the child was "not present" as it says on the certificate if only the parent fronts up to register. And then, according to cases in the Supreme Court after 1899, when a child could gain "late registration with a baptismal certificate or a stat dec from a nurse, doctor, etc" many a child was not registered because the parents wanted to evade compulsory vaccination (from 1855) for smallpox. After June 1865 the time to register was extended to 60 days, and a declaration up to 12 months, but still with the same fines. Then in 1890 late registration after 12 months but within seven years was allowed.. until the above 1899 Act which gave no time frame, but insisted on a court appearance.. either the County or the Supreme Court. I wrote a long article "Unregistered Births in Victoria" for the AIGS magazine "The Genealogist" in December 1988, it is worth reading, based on law and applications to the Supreme court 1899-1922. Late registrations showed were filed in the birth year, at the ends of the lists, and carried an "X" and then the year the late registration was granted, so "24689X1918" would have been normalized retrospectively in 1918 after the court application and approval. Hope that's of interest Regards Ada Ackerly Julie N wrote: > Hi Chris > I have found in my family 3 children out of 8 are not on the Pioneer Index. > 4 out of 8 children on another family,its not until you look on the death cd is when they turn up. > >

Thankyou Ada, For all that information , it certainly clears up many questions that we would ask our forbears if they were still around. You are a "Wonderful knowledge Sharer ". Margaret

Hi Chris I have found in my family 3 children out of 8 are not on the Pioneer Index. 4 out of 8 children on another family,its not until you look on the death cd is when they turn up. Julie> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:44:18 +1000> Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] BMD Walker David PATRICK> > > Dear Julie,> > That's interesting.I had no idea there was another child born. Maybe he was > born when the family was in Sth Africa. I'm going to have to call my aged > aunt on this one.> Thanks for your help.> Cheers Chris> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > this is the only one> > Julie NSurname : patrick (179 matches)Given Names > > : david (15853 matches)> > Total matching records: 1--------------------> > Surname: PATRICKGiven Names: David Father: DavidMother: Jean WALKER Death > > Place: MELB Age: 85Age Code: Year: 1969 Reg Number: 16761Event: D> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger treats you to 30 free emoticons - Bees, cows, tigers and more! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=567534

Hello Jessie, Sorry, but as far as I can tell there is no connection with my Howards. In my direct ancestry I have only one English surname - DELLER from Hertford. My Howards were all Irish, God bless 'em. John HOWARD of King's County (now Offaly) and Catherine NEIL, of County Carlow migrated to Port Phillip in 1841 and owned a property in Little Collins Street near Elizabeth Street. (I wish it was still in the family!). John died in 1853 and his wife and family sold up and moved to Victoria Street East at Richmond where she ran a general store, she died in 1866. All of their descendants remained in and around Melbourne and I have found no connection with the Howards of Bendigo/Ballarat area, or with the Howards in Sale, Gippsland. The only adopted children in my tree were those CUE children who were my mother's ancestors. Thank you for writing.I appreciate very much your interest in my query, Regards, Barry Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessie Dee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Hi I have a friend adopted out a HOWARD lots in Ballarat & Bendigo > related any of your their Roy was born in Carnegie put in foster > home > nothing at all after that says on mother certificate born Birmingham but I > actually found her in Ballarat buried in Bendigo so you cant go on > certificates some times My husband died in London 18 months ago so > not registered here we were on holidays so yours could be any where > Good > Luck Jessie Any connection in your HOWARD name > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B.Howard" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location

Dear Julie, That's interesting.I had no idea there was another child born. Maybe he was born when the family was in Sth Africa. I'm going to have to call my aged aunt on this one. Thanks for your help. Cheers Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > this is the only one > Julie NSurname : patrick (179 matches)Given Names > : david (15853 matches) > Total matching records: 1-------------------- > Surname: PATRICKGiven Names: David Father: DavidMother: Jean WALKER Death > Place: MELB Age: 85Age Code: Year: 1969 Reg Number: 16761Event: D

Hi Chris this is the only one Julie NSurname : patrick (179 matches)Given Names : david (15853 matches) Total matching records: 1-------------------- Surname: PATRICKGiven Names: DavidFather: DavidMother: Jean WALKERDeath Place: MELBAge: 85Age Code: Year: 1969Reg Number: 16761Event: D > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:17:20 +1000> Subject: [AUS-MELBOURNE] BMD Walker David PATRICK> > Hi all,> > I recently received an email from Sandra regarding a 1936 Electoral Roll. On > it are my Patrick's but I was wondering if sks could lookup perhaps a BMD > for me please for Walker David PATRICK who I knew nothing about. I don't > know who his parents were or anything. It's amazing how these threads > continue..another one to look for.> > Many thanks> Cheers Chris> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Meet singles near you. Try ninemsn dating now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fdating%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fchannel%2Findex%2Easpx%3Ftrackingid%3D1046247&_t=773166080&_r=WL_TAGLINE&_m=EXT

Hi all, I recently received an email from Sandra regarding a 1936 Electoral Roll. On it are my Patrick's but I was wondering if sks could lookup perhaps a BMD for me please for Walker David PATRICK who I knew nothing about. I don't know who his parents were or anything. It's amazing how these threads continue..another one to look for. Many thanks Cheers Chris

I want to thanky one and all that have either gave me data on or off list, in each mail everyone found something and added to this family on where they died etc It appears that their may have been no ancestors to continue the name on in Australia - but there was some back in Wexford Ireland Those who asked they came from Tomgarrow in Co Wexford So rather than not name all that aided me I have collectively let this mail thankyou one and all. As the Irish say Thanks a Million Cara

Hi I have a friend adopted out a HOWARD lots in Ballarat & Bendigo related any of your their Roy was born in Carnegie put in foster home nothing at all after that says on mother certificate born Birmingham but I actually found her in Ballarat buried in Bendigo so you cant go on certificates some times My husband died in London 18 months ago so not registered here we were on holidays so yours could be any where Good Luck Jessie Any connection in your HOWARD name ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Hi Travis, > > Thanks for that advice, I will keep the link handy. > > Thanks, > Barry Howard. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > > >> Hi Barry - >> >> Also try Cheltenham and Brighton. >> >> The Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries would be happy to >> assist >> if you would like to submit a research request with us on line - >> http://focrc.org/locategrave.htm >> >> Kind regards >> >> Travis M. Sellers >> President >> Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries Inc. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks to Sandy for being so generous with her time and looking up the electoral rolls. A great help! Merryl

Barry You are very welcome and if you think you may be in need of any info Just ask and I will try to help out Regards, Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] CUE burial > Hello Elaine, > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Hello Elaine, That's great, I can't thank you enough, I did not think he would be in the Cheltenham Cemetery, but there you go, it's not the first time I've jumped to the wrong conclusion. I really appreciate you taking a look for me and sending the information. Regards, Barry Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine Jefferson To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: CUE burial Hello Saw your posting of William CUE The burial was doine at Cheltenham Cemetery, Melbourne 18 June 1956 aged 83 years of North Caulfield Location of graves... 47..19..N and there is another person with him Catherine CUE buried 8 June 1942 same plot location late of Caulfield His age shown as 83 years and her age 70 years You are now able to vist the Cemetery go into the office and tell the staff on duty that you are needing a map for this section It's in the NEW section and also a visit to the State Library for a death notice from the Melbourne Sun Newspaper or if not in the Sun the Age should have something submitted Regards Elaine jefferson [email protected] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1536 - Release Date: 7/5/2008 10:15 AM -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Hello Anne, I have been researching my CUE family for some time and have not found any connection with your Samuel Cue, or Castlemaine either for that matter. William was indeed the son of Sarah Hannah Doncaster, but the Death Index has his father's name wrong, it was not John. William Cue's father was a Chinese market gardener, originally from Canton China, but settled in Wangaratta. His name was Ah Cue and he married Sarah in 1869. Ah Cue was my maternal great grandfather.They had eight children, my grandmother being the 7th. After Ah Cue died in 1902 the family was split up and some of the children were adopted out and lost contact with each other. They have all past on now of course, but it is my desire to find the final resting place of all my grandmother's siblings. William's is one that I don't have and also that of his brother Henry who's death year also remains a mystery.. Thankyou for your interest in my query, much appreciated. Regards, Barry Howard. ---------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- Hi Barry I am intrigued by the name CUE because it is a name that appears in my own family history. Am wondering if you have a Samuel CUE born 25 November 1890 at Castlemaine - Father Samuel, Mother, Anne Batty. It looks from the Vic. Death Index that your William's parents were John & Sarah (nee DONCASTER). See that you've tried Fawkner, Springvale & St. Kilda why not send an e-mail to Melbourne General Cemetery. Their e-mail address is: [email protected] Cheers Anne

Hi Travis, Thanks very much for having a look at the Brighton Register for me, I will bear your advice in mind. Cheers Barry Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Hi Barry - > > I have checked the burial register of the Brighton General Cemetery and no > sign of William Cue (d 1956). If he was cremated, may still possibly be > at Brighton. By all means, contact the Cemetery to get a second opinion. > > Kind regards > > Travis M. Sellers > Researching the Brighton General Cemetey since 1992. > www.brightoncemetery.com

Hi Barry - I have checked the burial register of the Brighton General Cemetery and no sign of William Cue (d 1956). If he was cremated, may still possibly be at Brighton. By all means, contact the Cemetery to get a second opinion. Kind regards Travis M. Sellers Researching the Brighton General Cemetey since 1992. www.brightoncemetery.com "B.Howard" <[email protected]> Sent by: [email protected] 06/07/2008 07:09 PM Please respond to [email protected] To <[email protected]> cc Subject Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location Hi Travis, Thanks for that advice, I will keep the link handy. Thanks, Barry Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Hi Barry - > > Also try Cheltenham and Brighton. > > The Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries would be happy to assist > if you would like to submit a research request with us on line - > http://focrc.org/locategrave.htm > > Kind regards > > Travis M. Sellers > President > Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries Inc. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barry I am intrigued by the name CUE because it is a name that appears in my own family history. Am wondering if you have a Samuel CUE born 25 November 1890 at Castlemaine - Father Samuel, Mother, Anne Batty. It looks from the Vic. Death Index that your William's parents were John & Sarah (nee DONCASTER). See that you've tried Fawkner, Springvale & St. Kilda why not send an e-mail to Melbourne General Cemetery. Their e-mail address is: [email protected] Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B.Howard Sent: Sunday, 6 July 2008 6:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location Hello Anne, Chris and Barb, I am very grateful for the help and advice from the list. The person I am interested in was buried following an inquest, and as I already have his inquest papers in my possession I didn't think I would glean any further information apart from the name of the cemetery from his death certificate. I tried a deceased search and got "no results"on the Springvale Necropolis website, and also Fawkner's website as well, before posting my query here. If you are able to help Anne I would very much appreciate it. The deceased's name was William CUE, died 1956 aged 84 yrs, wife's name Catherine. He lived in a boarding house in Caulfield and died of Carbon Monoxide poisoning after accidently leaving the gas on in the kitchen when he went to bed. If you cannot find anything I will try Chris's suggestion and contact the Brighton Cemetery. Buying the death certificate is of course the easiest answer but I will keep that option as the last resort. Thank, Barry Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Barry, > > If you let me know the person's name I might be able to help you. > > Cheers > > Anne H. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1536 - Release Date: 7/5/2008 10:15 AM

Hi Travis, Thanks for that advice, I will keep the link handy. Thanks, Barry Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Hi Barry - > > Also try Cheltenham and Brighton. > > The Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries would be happy to assist > if you would like to submit a research request with us on line - > http://focrc.org/locategrave.htm > > Kind regards > > Travis M. Sellers > President > Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries Inc.

Hello Anne, Chris and Barb, I am very grateful for the help and advice from the list. The person I am interested in was buried following an inquest, and as I already have his inquest papers in my possession I didn't think I would glean any further information apart from the name of the cemetery from his death certificate. I tried a deceased search and got "no results"on the Springvale Necropolis website, and also Fawkner's website as well, before posting my query here. If you are able to help Anne I would very much appreciate it. The deceased's name was William CUE, died 1956 aged 84 yrs, wife's name Catherine. He lived in a boarding house in Caulfield and died of Carbon Monoxide poisoning after accidently leaving the gas on in the kitchen when he went to bed. If you cannot find anything I will try Chris's suggestion and contact the Brighton Cemetery. Buying the death certificate is of course the easiest answer but I will keep that option as the last resort. Thank, Barry Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location > Barry, > > If you let me know the person's name I might be able to help you. > > Cheers > > Anne H.

Hi Barry - Also try Cheltenham and Brighton. The Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries would be happy to assist if you would like to submit a research request with us on line - http://focrc.org/locategrave.htm Kind regards Travis M. Sellers President Friends of Cheltenham and Regional Cemeteries Inc. Barbara <[email protected]> Sent by: [email protected] 06/07/2008 06:14 PM Please respond to [email protected] To [email protected] cc Subject Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Burial location Try Springvale site first, also has St Kilda which is another place he could have gone to. Otherwise, Box Hill,Burwood? Barb On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:41:36 +1000, B.Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List, > > Trying to find the burial location of a person who died in the Melb. > suburb of Caulfield in 1956. I could purchase his death certificate but > did not want to go to that expense for just this bit of information. > Would anyone know which'd be the most likely cemetery for this area? > > Thanks, > Barry Howard. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try the NZ list Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Schinkel" <[email protected]> > Was wondering if anyone on this list has access to NZ records. My ancestor > Michael Thomas Kelly was born in 1851, in Auckland, to Thomas and Mary > Kelly. I am trying to find if they were married in New Zealand and when > they may have arrived in NZ. > > If anyone can help, I would be most appreciative. > > Dennis Schinkel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message