Hello Again, Barry, Did you notice that there was, in the Naturalisation lists, also an Ah CUEW who was naturalised in 1884? A728 vol 2 page 83 No 2949 A727-28-91 A712-84 88034 are the numbers given. In the prison records for females there is an Isabella Ah Kew... have you looked at that alternative spelling? I remember (because I have a chinese ancestor) when I was a volunteer transcriber of the inward passenger lists (for ten years), being very frustrated at the captains who just listed "350 chinese" instead of naming them, and then the arrival of a german ship with hundreds of chinese passengers, listed in phonetic german! Transcribing that (in German style handwriting) was VERY difficult! So I'm never surprised when people can't find their people on the shipping lists. Regards Ada B.Howard wrote: > Hello Marianne, > > Thanks for that info, but yes, I do have the Naturalisation paper in my > possession, purchased from the National Archives a few years ago. > Unfortunately, it is of a different Ah Cue, he was a Turner by trade and was > much younger than my own ancestor. > > Thanks for pointing it out to me though. > > Cheers, > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia.

Like you, Barry I could never afford to belong to Ancestry.com, FindMyPast et al. Apart from which I am on dial-up and so most websites are not available for me. Plus the lovely Optus interrupt my calls and drop me off at irregular intervals.And no, I don't have "call waiting". Members of GSV who can go to their HQ can have free use of these pay-as-you-look sites and an extensive library there, so they do get a lot from their membership, plus a very good quarterly magazine, but if one cannot afford membership, it's not much good listing the goodies. As a half-super person, I can appreciate it is becoming increasingly expensive to do family tree ... but then there is a Free BDM site for UK, and if Cornwall, "Parish Clerks" have made lots of records freely available,so if you can spend some time on a free site (which Optus won't let ME do) you can get lots of info.I believe. (sigh...) And, as you have found, people are happy to do "lookups" if they have the records easily available to them. Most kind. So, I wasn't thinking that you were "stingy" Barry, because you explained that distance was also a problem, and I know what a limited income is. Good luck in your research, I hope you get some joy from the Golden Dragon Museum. B.Howard wrote: > Hello Ada, > > Thank you very much for that information and advice, it is much appreciated > and I will contact the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum as you suggest. > > My message to the list may have given some people the impression that I am a > bit of tight a--se, but I can assure you this is not the case.

Hi Marianne, I can't thank you enough for leading me to those papers. The first is definitely my Ggrandfather, it is wonderful information because if gives some details of his immigration, including the name of the ship, of which I knew nothing. I think the second record with photo is not related to my family history. It is dated 1901 and my Ah Cue died in 1902 at Wangaratta he would have been aged then 59 yrs. Thank heaps for your help. Best wishes, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV >>>> > > > Hello Barry, they are both Ah Cue. First scan is naturalisation in > Victoria. > > Second scan is a different document for Queensland. > > Marianne >

Hello Raymond, I was aware that his lovely wife had died, but I thought knighthoods were eliminated in favour of Australian Orders? Regards Ada Raymond W. Henderson wrote: > Sir Russell Jack he was knighted a couple of years back for his work and > support to the Golden Dragon Museum if it wasn't for the work of Russell and > his family there would not be a Gold Dragon Museum. > > Regards, > Ray. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] criminal records and the GSV > > >> Hello Barry, >> >> Apart from your lucky free search on the GSV site without being a >> member, have you thought of contacting the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum? >> Mr and Mrs Jacks and staff have been steadily expanding their research >> databases. I know that, whenever I come across references to chinese as >> I index various records at the VPRO, I send them on to Bendigo Museum, >> and they always acknowledge my contribution. >> >> They are very friendly. But, as an enquirer, I would expect to be asked >> for a search fee: it costs money to run a society/ museum/ database for >> the public. It costs money (from members fees) to run a website. >> Personnel have to be paid to keep adding to the databases, etc, So, if I >> seek information, I don't begrudge being asked for a contribution, >> though I doubt you would be asked by the Dragon Museum "to join" as a >> member/supporter. >> >> Worth considering as a research venue, however. >> >> Regards, Ada Ackerly >> (contributor to the GSV database from my VPRO indexes) >> >> B.Howard wrote: >>> Hi listers. >>> >>> The Genealogical Society of Victoria has a free search feature on their >>> website and on it I found several references to a record of two of my >>> ancestors. The "type of records" were "Criminal Record" and "Gazetted". >>> To >>> find what information they contain, it seems, I would have to pay a >>> joining >>> fee of $15.00 and an annual subscription of $69.00 and then go to their >>> rooms in Melbourne to view the records. As I cannot afford these fees and >>> I >>> live about 200 kms from Melbourne, I am wondering if there is some other >>> means of accessing these particular records? >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 10/1/2008 > 9:05 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

>>> Hello Barry, they are both Ah Cue. First scan is naturalisation in Victoria. Second scan is a different document for Queensland. Marianne

Hi Barry I just searched Ah Cue and there were 17 results only 2 with scans from memory. I tried them both. Will double check for you. Marianne On 02/10/2008, at 4:01 PM, B.Howard wrote: > Hi Marianne, > > That's really great news, but I am having trouble locating the > record could > you tell me how to get to it, please? I am in the NA website now as > a guest > reader and I have found a record with a photo but the Naturilsation > was done > in Queensland so not sure if it's the one you mention. > > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV > > >> Hi Barry, >> >> It says he's a gardener from Wangaratta . >> Now free to view and print. Also there's a photo >> >> Marianne >> . >> On 02/10/2008, at 2:40 PM, B.Howard wrote: >> >>> Hello Marianne, >>> >>> Thanks for that info, but yes, I do have the Naturalisation paper in >>> my >>> possession, purchased from the National Archives a few years ago. >>> Unfortunately, it is of a different Ah Cue, he was a Turner by trade >>> and was >>> much younger than my own ancestor. >>> >>> Thanks for pointing it out to me though. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Barry Howard, >>> Victoria, Australia. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV >>> >>> >>>> Hi Barry, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if you have seen Ah Cue's Naturalisation Papers on >>>> National Archives. >>>> >>>> Marianne >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: > 10/1/2008 > 9:05 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Marianne, That's really great news, but I am having trouble locating the record could you tell me how to get to it, please? I am in the NA website now as a guest reader and I have found a record with a photo but the Naturilsation was done in Queensland so not sure if it's the one you mention. Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV > Hi Barry, > > It says he's a gardener from Wangaratta . > Now free to view and print. Also there's a photo > > Marianne > . > On 02/10/2008, at 2:40 PM, B.Howard wrote: > >> Hello Marianne, >> >> Thanks for that info, but yes, I do have the Naturalisation paper in >> my >> possession, purchased from the National Archives a few years ago. >> Unfortunately, it is of a different Ah Cue, he was a Turner by trade >> and was >> much younger than my own ancestor. >> >> Thanks for pointing it out to me though. >> >> Cheers, >> Barry Howard, >> Victoria, Australia. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV >> >> >>> Hi Barry, >>> >>> I'm not sure if you have seen Ah Cue's Naturalisation Papers on >>> National Archives. >>> >>> Marianne >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 10/1/2008 9:05 AM

Hi Barry, It says he's a gardener from Wangaratta . Now free to view and print. Also there's a photo Marianne . On 02/10/2008, at 2:40 PM, B.Howard wrote: > Hello Marianne, > > Thanks for that info, but yes, I do have the Naturalisation paper in > my > possession, purchased from the National Archives a few years ago. > Unfortunately, it is of a different Ah Cue, he was a Turner by trade > and was > much younger than my own ancestor. > > Thanks for pointing it out to me though. > > Cheers, > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV > > >> Hi Barry, >> >> I'm not sure if you have seen Ah Cue's Naturalisation Papers on >> National Archives. >> >> Marianne >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello Marianne, Thanks for that info, but yes, I do have the Naturalisation paper in my possession, purchased from the National Archives a few years ago. Unfortunately, it is of a different Ah Cue, he was a Turner by trade and was much younger than my own ancestor. Thanks for pointing it out to me though. Cheers, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV > Hi Barry, > > I'm not sure if you have seen Ah Cue's Naturalisation Papers on > National Archives. > > Marianne >

Hello Ada, Thank you very much for that information and advice, it is much appreciated and I will contact the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum as you suggest. My message to the list may have given some people the impression that I am a bit of tight a--se, but I can assure you this is not the case. I am very aware of the trouble and expense people and organisations have gone to, in making family history information available to the public. I applaud them for their efforts and heartily agree they should be recompensed. However, I believe that the low income earners of this world have the same rights to their own family history information as those who are more well-to-do, and also have the same passion for such information. I have purchased information from many sources over the past ten years and have subscribed to several newspaper websites and other organisations in that time when finances allow. I have done so willingly, and have a much richer knowledge of my ancestry because of it. To that end I would most gladly become a member of the GSV if my budget would allow it, but at this present time it is out of question. It seems lately that where ever I find an avenue of information I need to put my hand in my pocket and pay dearly for it. I have no qualms about paying for information if it is reasonable and justified, but have so far resisted the temptations of websites such as Ancestory.com who are clearly out to make a profit. Thanks again for your advice. Regards, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] criminal records and the GSV > Hello Barry, > > Apart from your lucky free search on the GSV site without being a > member, have you thought of contacting the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum? > Mr and Mrs Jacks and staff have been steadily expanding their research > databases. I know that, whenever I come across references to chinese as > I index various records at the VPRO, I send them on to Bendigo Museum, > and they always acknowledge my contribution. > > They are very friendly. But, as an enquirer, I would expect to be asked > for a search fee: it costs money to run a society/ museum/ database for > the public. It costs money (from members fees) to run a website. > Personnel have to be paid to keep adding to the databases, etc, So, if I > seek information, I don't begrudge being asked for a contribution, > though I doubt you would be asked by the Dragon Museum "to join" as a > member/supporter. > > Worth considering as a research venue, however. > > Regards, Ada Ackerly > (contributor to the GSV database from my VPRO indexes)

Sir Russell Jack he was knighted a couple of years back for his work and support to the Golden Dragon Museum if it wasn't for the work of Russell and his family there would not be a Gold Dragon Museum. Regards, Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] criminal records and the GSV > Hello Barry, > > Apart from your lucky free search on the GSV site without being a > member, have you thought of contacting the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum? > Mr and Mrs Jacks and staff have been steadily expanding their research > databases. I know that, whenever I come across references to chinese as > I index various records at the VPRO, I send them on to Bendigo Museum, > and they always acknowledge my contribution. > > They are very friendly. But, as an enquirer, I would expect to be asked > for a search fee: it costs money to run a society/ museum/ database for > the public. It costs money (from members fees) to run a website. > Personnel have to be paid to keep adding to the databases, etc, So, if I > seek information, I don't begrudge being asked for a contribution, > though I doubt you would be asked by the Dragon Museum "to join" as a > member/supporter. > > Worth considering as a research venue, however. > > Regards, Ada Ackerly > (contributor to the GSV database from my VPRO indexes) > > B.Howard wrote: >> Hi listers. >> >> The Genealogical Society of Victoria has a free search feature on their >> website and on it I found several references to a record of two of my >> ancestors. The "type of records" were "Criminal Record" and "Gazetted". >> To >> find what information they contain, it seems, I would have to pay a >> joining >> fee of $15.00 and an annual subscription of $69.00 and then go to their >> rooms in Melbourne to view the records. As I cannot afford these fees and >> I >> live about 200 kms from Melbourne, I am wondering if there is some other >> means of accessing these particular records? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 10/1/2008 9:05 AM

Thanks Ada, the father Edwin was the informant on the birth cert I have, strangely all details were filled in full except he did not insert his occupation Regards, Alan Elliott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] MARRIAGE OF EDWIN JACOBS & CONSTANCE HOOPER > Hello Alan, > > I had a search on behalf of a family many years ago, where in the late > 1850s the mother was always the informant on birth certificates until > she became ill when they moved to the country, and the fourth child was > born and died, and the father took over as informant. > > She had always listed him as "William from Edinburgh" He gave himself > "Wilhelm from Nova Scotia" which opened up a new successful avenue of > research for the lass who had claimed a "brick wall". Though at first > she was sceptical, because the parents moved back to the city a few > years later and the mother again took the role of informant, with her > "William from Edinburgh" for their sixth child and he went back to his > previous trade after a stint as "a farmer". > > The Victorian stipulation that "Previous issue both alive and dead" > should be entered on the certificates clinched the authenticity of my > contention to them, and the Nova Scotia link was explored by them. > > So, sometimes, it's worth spending the money!! > > Regards Ada > > margaret trewick wrote: >> Alan >> I checked all I had and found nothing for you either. However, I believe >> getting the birth cert for the LAST child might be better, as they may >> not >> be "hiding" details by then. >> >> Good luck >> Margaret

Thanks Margaret, I'll try that if the 1st birth cert does not work Regards, Alan Elliott ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret trewick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] MARRIAGE OF EDWIN JACOBS & CONSTANCE HOOPER > Alan > I checked all I had and found nothing for you either. However, I believe > getting the birth cert for the LAST child might be better, as they may not > be "hiding" details by then. > > Good luck > Margaret > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is fantastic .. thanks for feedback Maria On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Petal & Clea Smith <[email protected] > wrote: > Hi Maria, think Julie has found him, the 1923 one seems to be the son. > Thanks anyway all help appreciated. > > Marianne > > On 01/10/2008, at 9:41 PM, Maria Celano wrote: > > > There is a Richard Hill at the Coburg cemetery [http:// > > www.fcmp.com.au] - > > however that is too far from Armadale.. also he died in 1920 - aged > > 41. > > > > this is no help... sorry > > Maria > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Barry, Apart from your lucky free search on the GSV site without being a member, have you thought of contacting the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum? Mr and Mrs Jacks and staff have been steadily expanding their research databases. I know that, whenever I come across references to chinese as I index various records at the VPRO, I send them on to Bendigo Museum, and they always acknowledge my contribution. They are very friendly. But, as an enquirer, I would expect to be asked for a search fee: it costs money to run a society/ museum/ database for the public. It costs money (from members fees) to run a website. Personnel have to be paid to keep adding to the databases, etc, So, if I seek information, I don't begrudge being asked for a contribution, though I doubt you would be asked by the Dragon Museum "to join" as a member/supporter. Worth considering as a research venue, however. Regards, Ada Ackerly (contributor to the GSV database from my VPRO indexes) B.Howard wrote: > Hi listers. > > The Genealogical Society of Victoria has a free search feature on their > website and on it I found several references to a record of two of my > ancestors. The "type of records" were "Criminal Record" and "Gazetted". To > find what information they contain, it seems, I would have to pay a joining > fee of $15.00 and an annual subscription of $69.00 and then go to their > rooms in Melbourne to view the records. As I cannot afford these fees and I > live about 200 kms from Melbourne, I am wondering if there is some other > means of accessing these particular records?

Hi Barry, I'm not sure if you have seen Ah Cue's Naturalisation Papers on National Archives. Marianne On 02/10/2008, at 12:44 AM, B.Howard wrote: > Hi Cathie, > > Thankyou for that information, I can't be sure it is my > gggrandfather Ah > CUE, I have not found him to be a storekeeper in my research but > that is > definitely my gggandmother Sarah Hannah CUE nee DONCASTER. She was > born in > Rangiteiki NZ in 1855 so there is no doubt. Her brush with the law > is all > new to me though and is very intriguing. I will have to delve into it > somewhat more vigiourously, I think. > > You help is much appreciated, thanks. > > Regards, > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine M Shaw" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:15 AM > Subject: Ah Cue and GSV > > >> Hi Barry, >> When I accessed the additional information and below is what is >> there. >> Some of this may be available on-line at: >> http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp >> They do give the Victorian Prisoners Index and some are on line. >> Cheers, >> Ctahie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Please "unsubscribe" me. I have been a member for sometime under email [email protected] Unsubscribe Liz

Hi Cathie, Thankyou for that information, I can't be sure it is my gggrandfather Ah CUE, I have not found him to be a storekeeper in my research but that is definitely my gggandmother Sarah Hannah CUE nee DONCASTER. She was born in Rangiteiki NZ in 1855 so there is no doubt. Her brush with the law is all new to me though and is very intriguing. I will have to delve into it somewhat more vigiourously, I think. You help is much appreciated, thanks. Regards, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine M Shaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: Ah Cue and GSV > Hi Barry, > When I accessed the additional information and below is what is there. > Some of this may be available on-line at: > http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp > They do give the Victorian Prisoners Index and some are on line. > Cheers, > Ctahie

And St Just point is in Long Gully we know that ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline Pendlebury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Re-death lookup Mary Hill > Long Gully is a suburb of Bendigo just in case that hasn't > been worked out yet...and very much an old mining area > of the past.Pauline. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1701 - Release Date: 9/30/2008 7:08 PM

Hi Trevor, You can access the search facility at this weblink - http://www.gsv.org.au/Library/quicksearch.htm Cheers, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] criminal records and the GSV > Hello Barry, > > I have had a look at the GSV website, but cannot see how to get any free > search facility. Would you be kind enough to explain the way to search a > name free? Do I have to buy membership? > > Thank you kindly. Trevor Worth, #545 WAGS