Col The death indexes do only go to 1985 and it is possible he died after that date. If he was in the grip of the grape he may have been preserved for a few more years. Or perhaps he went interstate. If his wife had a death cert, is there any children listed on there. And also have you tried for a will? You could try his wife and for him. Available at Prov, if he had died and his wife had a will this would be mentioned. Carmel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Col Paterson Sent: Saturday, 11 October, 2008 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Mystery Death G'day list, I still have an ongoing mystery; I've sought assistance with it in the past and received a lot of valuable help. This has all been followed up & acted upon where possible but all to no avail. I have a cousin (son of my Grandfathers brother) named Ernest James Paterson born 1920 in Shepparton Victoria to Stanley James Paterson and Annie Kathleen Carroll. Anecdotally he passed away about 1970 he was reputed to be well in the grip of the grape. PROV doesn't seem to have a death registration for him and therefore no Death Certificate. Is there any reason why this should be, other than maybe he's still alive somewhere? He served in the AIF during WW11 also he is said to have been a musician in a South Melb. Brass Band. He did marry and his wife is deceased there is a death Cert for her. I have looked for him at PROV Fawkner Cemetery, The Necropolis I've applied to the FOI site and as there was a story that he had been murdered I checked with Vic Police Homicide and received a nice but negative reply from an Inspector there. Any ideas as to where else I can look. Col Paterson Going rusty on the soggy Gold Coast ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Col, This wouldn't be your man would it? - Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Query ----- Surname : Paterson (901 matches) Given Names : Ernest James (761 matches) Total matching records: 2 -------------------- Surname: PATERSON Given Names: Ernest James Father: Unknown Mother: UNKNOWN Death Place: MELB Age: 55 Age Code: Year: 1976 Reg Number: 2047 Event: D His age puts his birth around 1920/21 so it's a possibility, but then you may have already looked at it. Cheers, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Col Paterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Mystery Death > G'day list, I still have an ongoing mystery; I've sought assistance with > it > in the past and received a lot of valuable help. This has all been > followed > up & acted upon where possible but all to no avail. > I have a cousin (son of my Grandfathers brother) named Ernest James > Paterson > born 1920 in Shepparton Victoria to Stanley James Paterson and Annie > Kathleen Carroll. > Anecdotally he passed away about 1970 he was reputed to be well in the > grip > of the grape. PROV doesn't seem to have a death registration for him and > therefore no Death Certificate. > Is there any reason why this should be, other than maybe he's still alive > somewhere? > He served in the AIF during WW11 also he is said to have been a musician > in > a South Melb. Brass Band. He did marry and his wife is deceased there is a > death Cert for her. I have looked for him at PROV Fawkner Cemetery, The > Necropolis I've applied to the FOI site and as there was a story that he > had > been murdered I checked with Vic Police Homicide and received a nice but > negative reply from an Inspector there. > Any ideas as to where else I can look. > Col Paterson > Going rusty on the soggy Gold Coast > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM

Hi Col Have you tried getting the inquest for this man??? Or could he have died in another state other than Victoria?? Good luck with your search Darlene Digger - Inquest Index. Victoria 1840 - 1985 Query-----Surname : patterson (194 matches)Given Names : er* (2558 matches)Total matching records: 1-------------------- Surname: PATTERSONGiven Names: Ernest StanleyAge: Place: Year: 1977Reference: 1875Sex: Cause: Occupation: Inq Date: 1977-9-10Nationality: Ship: Notes: > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:49:12 +1000> Subject: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Mystery Death> > G'day list, I still have an ongoing mystery; I've sought assistance with it> in the past and received a lot of valuable help. This has all been followed> up & acted upon where possible but all to no avail. > I have a cousin (son of my Grandfathers brother) named Ernest James Paterson> born 1920 in Shepparton Victoria to Stanley James Paterson and Annie> Kathleen Carroll. > Anecdotally he passed away about 1970 he was reputed to be well in the grip> of the grape. PROV doesn't seem to have a death registration for him and> therefore no Death Certificate.> Is there any reason why this should be, other than maybe he's still alive> somewhere? > He served in the AIF during WW11 also he is said to have been a musician in> a South Melb. Brass Band. He did marry and his wife is deceased there is a> death Cert for her. I have looked for him at PROV Fawkner Cemetery, The> Necropolis I've applied to the FOI site and as there was a story that he had> been murdered I checked with Vic Police Homicide and received a nice but> negative reply from an Inspector there.> Any ideas as to where else I can look.> Col Paterson> Going rusty on the soggy Gold Coast> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________

G'day list, I still have an ongoing mystery; I've sought assistance with it in the past and received a lot of valuable help. This has all been followed up & acted upon where possible but all to no avail. I have a cousin (son of my Grandfathers brother) named Ernest James Paterson born 1920 in Shepparton Victoria to Stanley James Paterson and Annie Kathleen Carroll. Anecdotally he passed away about 1970 he was reputed to be well in the grip of the grape. PROV doesn't seem to have a death registration for him and therefore no Death Certificate. Is there any reason why this should be, other than maybe he's still alive somewhere? He served in the AIF during WW11 also he is said to have been a musician in a South Melb. Brass Band. He did marry and his wife is deceased there is a death Cert for her. I have looked for him at PROV Fawkner Cemetery, The Necropolis I've applied to the FOI site and as there was a story that he had been murdered I checked with Vic Police Homicide and received a nice but negative reply from an Inspector there. Any ideas as to where else I can look. Col Paterson Going rusty on the soggy Gold Coast

G'day list, I still have an ongoing mystery; I've sought assistance with it in the past and received a lot of valuable help. This has all been followed up & acted upon where possible but all to no avail. I have a cousin (son of my Grandfathers brother) named Ernest James Paterson born 1920 in Shepparton Victoria to Stanley James Paterson and Annie Kathleen Carroll. Anecdotally he passed away about 1970 he was reputed to be well in the grip of the grape. PROV doesn't seem to have a death registration for him and therefore no Death Certificate. Is there any reason why this should be, other than maybe he's still alive somewhere? He served in the AIF during WW11 also he is said to have been a musician in a South Melb. Brass Band. He did marry and his wife is deceased there is a death Cert for her. I have looked for him at PROV Fawkner Cemetery, The Necropolis I've applied to the FOI site and as there was a story that he had been murdered I checked with Vic Police Homicide and received a nice but negative reply from an Inspector there. Any ideas as to where else I can look. Col Paterson Going rusty on the soggy Gold Coast

I agree, it's a fantastic site and many thanks & cheers to the wonderful people who are doing all that work. I can't wait till they start updating more years and then putting up some of the local newspapers, but that'll be a long while off yet. I have found a few notices referring to my family also, mostly family notices. But then I haven't gone vey far into it yet. Anyone can correct/update the information, if you zoom right in you can read the text easily (unless the ink is faded or smudged) and then find the corresponding entry in the column on the left hand side, click on the line and correct the text. :) -----Original Message----- From: Maurie O'Connor [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2008 8:14 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'aus-immigration'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] [AUS-QLD] NLA newspaper digitisation project -a great site forinformation on family members & online accessto databases Fantastic project, isn't it? I can lose myself for HOURS reading fascinating little snippets. Some even about family members! The electronic 'translator' seems to have a bit of trouble reading the print. I started correcting some and then (selfishly) though, hang it. I'd much rather read. An absolute gem. And many, many thanks to the person (?) who originally posted the address on whatever newsgroup. Barbara

Hi Marianne, Thanks for that tip, I hadn't realised there was such a list for Chinese research. I have just subscribed to it and will post my query there. Regards, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ship Information > > Hi Barry, > > Have you thought of trying the AUS CHINESE mailing list at Rootsweb? > > Marianne > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-chi.html#AUS-CHINESE >

Hi Barry, Have you thought of trying the AUS CHINESE mailing list at Rootsweb? Marianne http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-chi.html#AUS-CHINESE On 10/10/2008, at 12:04 PM, B.Howard wrote: > Hello folks, > > I am seeking information on a particulr ship. I've Googled > searched the ship's name but only get a whole lot of references to > some children's books. I've also looked at LLoyds shipping register > and several shipping and immigration sites on the I/net but got no > result. > > Perhaps someone on the list has heard of it. It was a Chinese ship > called the "WEE SING". > > My g/grandfather AH CUE (1843-1902) was born in Canton, China and > according to his Naturalisation papers of 1873 - " that on or > about 20th January 1862 he arrived in the Colony of Victoria, by the > ship Wee Sing, from the port of Hong Kong in China". (Ah Cue was a > market gardener and settled in Wangaratta, Victoria, where he spent > the rest of his life). > > If anyone knows of this ship of knows how to research Chinese ships > I would appreciate for their help. > > Cheers, > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello folks, I am seeking information on a particulr ship. I've Googled searched the ship's name but only get a whole lot of references to some children's books. I've also looked at LLoyds shipping register and several shipping and immigration sites on the I/net but got no result. Perhaps someone on the list has heard of it. It was a Chinese ship called the "WEE SING". My g/grandfather AH CUE (1843-1902) was born in Canton, China and according to his Naturalisation papers of 1873 - " that on or about 20th January 1862 he arrived in the Colony of Victoria, by the ship Wee Sing, from the port of Hong Kong in China". (Ah Cue was a market gardener and settled in Wangaratta, Victoria, where he spent the rest of his life). If anyone knows of this ship of knows how to research Chinese ships I would appreciate for their help. Cheers, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia

Fantastic project, isn't it? I can lose myself for HOURS reading fascinating little snippets. Some even about family members! The electronic 'translator' seems to have a bit of trouble reading the print. I started correcting some and then (selfishly) though, hang it. I'd much rather read. An absolute gem. And many, many thanks to the person (?) who originally posted the address on whatever newsgroup. Barbara

Apologies for cross-posting, but I think the site I'm writing about is one of huge interest and great value to family history researchers in Australia. It's specifically Australian, doesn't cost to use and I have to say I've been having an absolutely great time browsing family names and locations from the newspaper digitisation project being run by the National Library of Australia. See http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home I cannot praise the project too highly. It's given me absolutely unexpected views of what my families throughout Australia did in everything from their spare time to their working habits. I know from family history that my Bouffiers from the Hunter Valley were wine makers, that's why they were brought out from Germany. But, the NLA project has fleshed my knowledge out much more than this, showing they won numerous medals for their wines both in Australia as well as at exhibitions overseas. They also exported wine to Europe during the 1880s and 1890s. I've just finished reading an interesting article about the value of exports to Australia and the need for quality in those exports, particularly aimed at the wine industry. In relation to the Bouffier's spare time, I've found out family members helped set up the local cricket club, played intercolonial football, polo and a couple of family members were in the habit of writing rather stroppy letters to the editor complaining about a range of things which apparently annoyed them. I didn't know any of these things before I started browsing the NLA site. I've also found my great grandfather James Whiteford, born Melbourne in the 1850s but who worked as a policeman in far north Queensland. He's mentioned in police despatches reported in the newspapers of the day. The newspaper provide details of government appointments e.g. James was appointed the registrar of births and deaths, but not marriages in Coen and the assistant registrar of slaughter houses for Coen as well. I have scans through the family of shares he had in the Great Northern Mine. From the newspaper digitisation project, I've found much more information about the Great Northern Mine itself. There are a couple of extremely graphic and horrifying articles about his police work which give a much more in depth look at his life and work than I previously knew (and possibly wanted to know!). My Whitefords came into Melbourne originally. The NLA site has given me information about the property they had in Malvern and its sale in the early 1900s, details I didn't have previously. This is a fabulous resource - I cannot stress too highly how good it is, even as a beta project with issues around the digitisation. It gave me a completely different picture of, and knowledge about, family members. It's also really interesting reading from a perspective of the 21st Century. An article I was reading tonight was about one of the intercolonial football matches between NSW and Queensland. It goes into some detail about the "lovely ladies" who attended the match and their finery. In terms of searching, there are a huge range of options. You can search by name, property name, ship names, location e.g. Malvern, Coen or Cooktown etc. You can choose to look only at certain papers, you can look at decades, at individual years etc. I've found family land records, sales records of everything from land, to horses, to hogsheads of wine. It's also a work in progress. When I first browsed a few weeks ago for Bouffier there were approximately 90 mentions, there are now 152, without looking at variations such as Buffier. So keep visiting and enjoy!!!! For names such as McGrath, search using M'Grath, as this also bring up hits. It also can be used to search for information about overseas conditions and areas of interest. While I have in excess of 4000 hits for Coen which I will make my way through there are over 56,000 hits for Ireland. Now I don't plan to look at all of those but more of interest to me is that a search for "Famine Ireland" brings up 1,200 references. A search for Invernessshire brings up around 90 hits. It opens up a world of information online for people. I think we should spread the word about the site around the Australian family history area of interests. One other point - get a reader's card for the National Library - any Australian resident can do this now. They now have a great range of online information and databases for browsing, including a number of family history / genealogy websites. See the NLA home page for this. Cheers all Anne

Hello all, I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge or has ever done any research on the family that owned the A. Winter General Store that was somewhere between Tongio West and Cassilis near Omeo, Victoria. The period I am looking at is circa 1903 - circa 1924. In particular I am seeking information about the Winter family that owned the store, James and Alice Winter and daughter Mary Alice Winter. To my knowledge they also had a son, Edward Arthur Winter who was killed in action in World War One. There was also a George Winter and Jean Isabella Winter living there c. 1909, but I have no knowledge of who this is. Thank you to anyone who would like to share information. Your time is greatly appreciated. Regards, Roger Southern NSW.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Jefferson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ancestry > Could some one tell me how to accessthe English Census on Ancestry, as the > new look seems to have been forgotten > Elaine > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could some one tell me how to accessthe English Census on Ancestry, as the new look seems to have been forgotten Elaine -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

To Whom it may concern Hi don't know if this is the right person HOLMES Mary Agnes born 1856-died 1895 & a Marry Jane born 1839 Most buried in W/A west terrace cemetery online I THINK father Jesse Homes They went From Castlemaine to we/A I have heaps more but no time now Jessie Spencer Sorry a correction Should be south Australia not west australia still west terrace Cemetery Australia Thanks Pam seniors moment

Hi list, for those with English ancestry further records added to Yesterdays site,(link below). Predominantly Derbyshire based, it has however folks from all over the UK listed.. Latest records include Church Broughton Bastardy Melbourne Dbys. Bastardy Denby Removals Wingerworth Apprentices Melbourne Miscellany Denby Settlement Examinations. There have also been numerous records(not listed above, Law and Order for example) added over the last few weeks that also contain names of people from across Britain. mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hello Ada, Thanks once again for the information, I will have a look at those names when I get more time on the weekend. I really appreciate your help and you sharing your experiences as a transcriber. Thanks, Barry Howard, Victoria, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV > Hello Again, Barry, > > Did you notice that there was, in the Naturalisation lists, also an > Ah CUEW who was naturalised in 1884? > > A728 vol 2 page 83 No 2949 > A727-28-91 > A712-84 88034 > > are the numbers given. In the prison records for females there is an > Isabella Ah Kew... have you looked at that alternative spelling? > > I remember (because I have a chinese ancestor) when I was a volunteer > transcriber of the inward passenger lists (for ten years), being very > frustrated at the captains who just listed "350 chinese" instead of > naming them, and then the arrival of a german ship with hundreds of > chinese passengers, listed in phonetic german! Transcribing that (in > German style handwriting) was VERY difficult! > > So I'm never surprised when people can't find their people on the > shipping lists. > > Regards Ada

They overlapped for some time, and even now the Queen can award an Australian with in an honour in her own gift such as the Royal Victorian Order. Tom On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:36:05 +1000, Ada Ackerly wrote: >Hello Raymond, > >I was aware that his lovely wife had died, but I thought knighthoods >were eliminated in favour of Australian Orders? > >Regards Ada > >Raymond W. Henderson wrote: >> Sir Russell Jack he was knighted a couple of years back for his work and >> support to the Golden Dragon Museum if it wasn't for the work of Russell and >> his family there would not be a Gold Dragon Museum. >> >> Regards, >> Ray. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ada Ackerly" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] criminal records and the GSV >> >> >>> Hello Barry, >>> >>> Apart from your lucky free search on the GSV site without being a >>> member, have you thought of contacting the Bendigo Golden Dragon Museum? >>> Mr and Mrs Jacks and staff have been steadily expanding their research >>> databases. I know that, whenever I come across references to chinese as >>> I index various records at the VPRO, I send them on to Bendigo Museum, >>> and they always acknowledge my contribution. >>> >>> They are very friendly. But, as an enquirer, I would expect to be asked >>> for a search fee: it costs money to run a society/ museum/ database for >>> the public. It costs money (from members fees) to run a website. >>> Personnel have to be paid to keep adding to the databases, etc, So, if I >>> seek information, I don't begrudge being asked for a contribution, >>> though I doubt you would be asked by the Dragon Museum "to join" as a >>> member/supporter. >>> >>> Worth considering as a research venue, however. >>> >>> Regards, Ada Ackerly >>> (contributor to the GSV database from my VPRO indexes) >>> >>> B.Howard wrote: >>>> Hi listers. >>>> >>>> The Genealogical Society of Victoria has a free search feature on their >>>> website and on it I found several references to a record of two of my >>>> ancestors. The "type of records" were "Criminal Record" and "Gazetted". >>>> To >>>> find what information they contain, it seems, I would have to pay a >>>> joining >>>> fee of $15.00 and an annual subscription of $69.00 and then go to their >>>> rooms in Melbourne to view the records. As I cannot afford these fees and >>>> I >>>> live about 200 kms from Melbourne, I am wondering if there is some other >>>> means of accessing these particular records? >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 10/1/2008 >> 9:05 AM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Cheers, Tom <[email protected]> Tom Perrett

Hi Barry, So pleased you have a result. Nice to be able to help for a change. Marianne in Melbourne On 02/10/2008, at 4:44 PM, B.Howard wrote: > Hi Marianne, > > I can't thank you enough for leading me to those papers. The first is > definitely my Ggrandfather, it is wonderful information because if > gives > some details of his immigration, including the name of the ship, of > which I > knew nothing. I think the second record with photo is not related to > my > family history. It is dated 1901 and my Ah Cue died in 1902 at > Wangaratta he > would have been aged then 59 yrs. > > Thank heaps for your help. > > Best wishes, > Barry Howard, > Victoria, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-MELBOURNE] Ah Cue and GSV > > >>>>> >> >> >> Hello Barry, they are both Ah Cue. First scan is naturalisation in >> Victoria. >> >> Second scan is a different document for Queensland. >> >> Marianne >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message