Hi Team Could you please unsubscribe me from this list please? The number of items coming is far too many for me to keep up with. Thanks very much. Nancia

Hi Listers, I have, what seems to me, an unsolvable problem. For years it was 'rumoured' that my husband's mothher had AQboriginal blood. No-one in the family knew until some of her old friends at her funeral in 1968 mentioned it. Her early life was thus. Her birth certificate shows her being born to Agnes Wyatt and 'unknown' at the Benevolent Asylum in 1904 when her mother was 18. On a recent trip to Narrabri the Church records showing only one baby with Agnes as a name born that year - Bridget Agnes Wyatt. This Bridget married James Mullins in 1908. Bridget died in 1936 leaving 4 children, including Agnes Lillian and Lillian. My mother in law's namme was Lillian May.. My m-i-l was raised in an orphannage (not sure which one in Sydney), was released at the appropriate age, moved to Nowra annd raised a daughter and 3 sons. Now the current generation is beginning to ask questions. One of my daughters has worked in Aboriginal education and is accepted by Elders as Aboriginal. Others have been told 'you're ours'. So, what should my next step be? Can one see orphanage records? I live in the country. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks. LOL Sue Johnston North Coast NSW sual@felglow.com.au

I would like to know the answer to this question also. Lesley Fogarty-Radloff Project Manager, Aboriginal Mentoring Program Workforce Development Education Dept of WA 151 Royal Street EAST PERTH WA 6004 Ph 08 9264 5848 Fax 08 9264 4571 lesley.radloff@eddept.wa.edu.au *********************************************************** " It is not where you stand, but in what direction you are moving. Sometimes we sail with the wind, sometimes we sail against it; but sail we must, and not drift, nor lie at anchor."~ Oliver Wendell Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Gwen Redman [mailto:gwenr@bmr.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2001 1:24 PM To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? Thanks, Gwen ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Dear Dale, Just received your lsiting. Have you by any chance come across a James Riley. I'm searching for the parents of Rose Riley, born Wahring, vic. 1883/4. There is no record of her birth that I can find but her marriage and death cerificates list her father as James, mother unknown. My Mum recollects a Joe REILLY and Cahterine, who she believes were children of James also. Appreciate any leads. Good luck with your searches, Merryl Mulroney ----- Original Message ----- From: DALE CHALKER <dchalker@vtown.com.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Reposting Interest > Hello all, > Just reposting my interests > Riley/Reilly > Hilton > O'brien > Ullstrom > Green > Clayton > All from the Camden/Picton Area > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gwen Redman" <gwenr@bmr.net.au> > To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:23 PM > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality > > > > Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough > to answer it. > > Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the > family line/s ? > > Thanks, > > Gwen > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hello all, Just reposting my interests Riley/Reilly Hilton O'brien Ullstrom Green Clayton All from the Camden/Picton Area ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Redman" <gwenr@bmr.net.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality > Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. > Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? > Thanks, > Gwen > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

I have read with interest the debate on Aboriginality over the past few posts. Many of us come from families that were either stolen or silenced. There is not an Indigenous family today (either identifying or not) who have not been touched by past policy. If you did not have a family member who was physically removed then ask yourself why so many of you are actively seeking your Indigenous side.....the answer is because your family was affected by policy of the day and it was easier and safer for your ancestors to say they were Greek, Italian, Maori, Indian, anything but Aboriginal. To be Aboriginal meant to live under incredibly oppressive laws and risk having your children taken away. As the generations went on, it was easier to 'forget' your Aboriginal grandmother or grandfather or Aunt or Uncle, rather than face racist taunts or stigma which has lead to not only a stolen generation but a silenced one as well. This is why it is so important that as we enter the 21st century, the more of us who find our Indigenous forebears should be proud to claim these elders as ours and, if you feel so, to identify as Indigenous. It doesn't matter about the colour of your skin, or 'claiming' benefits etc - it's about acknowledging what your ancestors went through to allow YOU to be who you are today. My great grandmother was taken from Nowra to La Perouse at the turn of the 20th century. Her name was Jane Cronin and she married a Puckeridge. We have been looking for our mob ever since. The past was about wiping out who we were. It was about removing our culture and colour from us. For those of us who are fortunate enough to be given an opening to the past - then we have an obligation to acknowledge what our forebears have been through. If my family did not identify - then everything my ancestors have been through would have been in vain - and the past policies would have been successful - wouldn't they? Craig Sams

my great grandmother was from the Young area and was a Wirradgie ,this is family history, she was married to an irishman, when she died in childbirth her death was not registered non the birth of her daughter, her husband was a settler and probably buried her on his property ,which I cannot locate I wished to put a gravestone on her grave as she was unknowlingly the great mother of a huge family, I have a photo of her daughter who is obviously Aboriginal,I have been in touch with Kath Shilling at ASTIC who tells me that unless the family lived in town and under the protection of the Aboriginal protection board who kept records of each family, there are no other records except family history which so it is impossible to really identify your family member unless they lived in towns or were "lucky" enough to live on a station where they kept records of the Aboriginal families who lived there,my question is this if I contacted the elders council at Young NSW would they accept this as genuine , I have no other interest in any benefits, only to give this lady her rightful place as the great mother of our family and maybe eventually find whee she is buried and commerate her life with a plaque or stone. Ray Gavan. Sydney

Hi Lisa, My GG Grandmother is Leiala McLEOD who married in Jerilderee around 1890 to a William HOGAN Is there any connection? I don't have any information further back than her marriage although I have found at least 12 children born from this marriage. Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Arnold" <lisandom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] McLeod > Hello out there > > Trying to trace traditional links! > My GG Grandmother Margaret McLeod's birthplace is listed as Sydney in 1843 > her father is Donald McLeod and mother listed as Catherine McMullen is > there any one out there who may know of this family? or is related? > Crossing my fingers > > Happy Mothers Day! > > Lisa > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hello Peter, http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/ then go to search this site put in Aboriginal and about 121 will come up David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stewart" <petrusfms@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] TRACING PART INDIGENOUS BLOOD LINE > Hello David > > I appreciate your help and will try the archives. > > >You could try the NSW archives they have an Indigenous unit, if you can > >prove that you are related to the person that you want to research they > >will let you look at the data. Luck in your research. > > Sincerely and with thanks, David. > > Peter Stewart > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Peter Stewart" <petrusfms@hotmail.com> > >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:29 PM > >Subject: [AUS-Koori] TRACING PART INDIGENOUS BLOOD LINE > > > > > > > Greetings Listers > > > > > > It has come to my notice that one of my forebears could be partly > >aboriginal > > > and I would like to know how I can find out if this is the case. I have > >his > > > name, date and place of birth and year of death also his parents > > > information. It could be that it was some of his forebares who were the > > > indigenous people. > > > > > > Would appreciate any help that anyone can give to ascertain the facts. > >He > > > was born in 1882 at Bundarra and died at Parramatta in 1941. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Peter R. Stewart > > > Brisbane. > > > 3rd great grandson of Daniel & Elizabeth Jurd nee Douglas > > > > > > JURD FAMILY REUNION 2001 > > > > > > SATURDAY 29 SEPTEMBER 2001 > > > > > > WOLLOMBI HALL, > > > > > > BYO EVERYTHING > > > Hot water available > > > > > > for further information contact PETER STEWART via email > > > or phone 07 3858 4660 or fax 07 3858 4592 or by snail mail > > > Marist College Ashgrove, PO Box 82, Ashgrove Qld, 4060 > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * * * * > > > > > > SAVE OUR CENSUS - ON 7 AUGUST 2001 VOTE "YES" > > > To keeping your household census form in the National Archives of > >Australia, > > > so this data will be available for genealogical, historical and medical > > > research by our descendants in 100 years time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hello David I appreciate your help and will try the archives. >You could try the NSW archives they have an Indigenous unit, if you can >prove that you are related to the person that you want to research they >will let you look at the data. Luck in your research. Sincerely and with thanks, David. Peter Stewart >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Stewart" <petrusfms@hotmail.com> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:29 PM >Subject: [AUS-Koori] TRACING PART INDIGENOUS BLOOD LINE > > > > Greetings Listers > > > > It has come to my notice that one of my forebears could be partly >aboriginal > > and I would like to know how I can find out if this is the case. I have >his > > name, date and place of birth and year of death also his parents > > information. It could be that it was some of his forebares who were the > > indigenous people. > > > > Would appreciate any help that anyone can give to ascertain the facts. >He > > was born in 1882 at Bundarra and died at Parramatta in 1941. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Peter R. Stewart > > Brisbane. > > 3rd great grandson of Daniel & Elizabeth Jurd nee Douglas > > > > JURD FAMILY REUNION 2001 > > > > SATURDAY 29 SEPTEMBER 2001 > > > > WOLLOMBI HALL, > > > > BYO EVERYTHING > > Hot water available > > > > for further information contact PETER STEWART via email > > or phone 07 3858 4660 or fax 07 3858 4592 or by snail mail > > Marist College Ashgrove, PO Box 82, Ashgrove Qld, 4060 > > > > * * * * * * * * * * > > * * * * * * * * * > > > > SAVE OUR CENSUS - ON 7 AUGUST 2001 VOTE "YES" > > To keeping your household census form in the National Archives of >Australia, > > so this data will be available for genealogical, historical and medical > > research by our descendants in 100 years time. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Dear Gwen, Gwen Redman wrote: > > Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. > Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? > Thanks, > Gwen DNA testing might prove effective :). but seriously tracing aboriginal ancestory is something that I have only just ventured into. Aboriginal Affairs have tried to be helpful to me although because the names follow whitefella ways and in my case I only have my ancestors first name to go by it has become very hard for me. Talking to as many of your extended family members as you can may prove rewarding. Some children are told one thing others are told something completely different. I was told that I was Maori descent although some of my other cousins where told that they maybe aboriginal descent. It still means you still have to trace the lines. It is just being proven now that I am of aboriginal descent. To prove this I had to become close to an amature local historian. My problem was that I had to prove descent before the government would let me view the records and I couldn't prove descent without viewing the records. :( I am still not a full quid on asking to right questions! :) It has been a hard road but I shall get there in the end - or maybe not, one question answered is another one produced! :) I wish you well in your research. theresa Perth, Western Australia

Hi Gwen, I am the Chairperson of our Local Aboriginal Land Council, and we will only accept people if they can prove their family line or have a member who knows of the family and the person seeking acceptance. Cheers David Pross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Redman" <gwenr@bmr.net.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality > Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. > Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? > Thanks, > Gwen > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hi Peter, You could try the NSW archives they have an Indigenous unit, if you can prove that you are related to the person that you want to research they will let you look at the data. Luck in your research. David Pross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Stewart" <petrusfms@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] TRACING PART INDIGENOUS BLOOD LINE > Greetings Listers > > It has come to my notice that one of my forebears could be partly aboriginal > and I would like to know how I can find out if this is the case. I have his > name, date and place of birth and year of death also his parents > information. It could be that it was some of his forebares who were the > indigenous people. > > Would appreciate any help that anyone can give to ascertain the facts. He > was born in 1882 at Bundarra and died at Parramatta in 1941. > > Sincerely > > Peter R. Stewart > Brisbane. > 3rd great grandson of Daniel & Elizabeth Jurd nee Douglas > > JURD FAMILY REUNION 2001 > > SATURDAY 29 SEPTEMBER 2001 > > WOLLOMBI HALL, > > BYO EVERYTHING > Hot water available > > for further information contact PETER STEWART via email > or phone 07 3858 4660 or fax 07 3858 4592 or by snail mail > Marist College Ashgrove, PO Box 82, Ashgrove Qld, 4060 > > * * * * * * * * * * > * * * * * * * * * > > SAVE OUR CENSUS - ON 7 AUGUST 2001 VOTE "YES" > To keeping your household census form in the National Archives of Australia, > so this data will be available for genealogical, historical and medical > research by our descendants in 100 years time. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hello out there Trying to trace traditional links! My GG Grandmother Margaret McLeod's birthplace is listed as Sydney in 1843 her father is Donald McLeod and mother listed as Catherine McMullen is there any one out there who may know of this family? or is related? Crossing my fingers Happy Mothers Day! Lisa

Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? Thanks, Gwen

Greetings Listers It has come to my notice that one of my forebears could be partly aboriginal and I would like to know how I can find out if this is the case. I have his name, date and place of birth and year of death also his parents information. It could be that it was some of his forebares who were the indigenous people. Would appreciate any help that anyone can give to ascertain the facts. He was born in 1882 at Bundarra and died at Parramatta in 1941. Sincerely Peter R. Stewart Brisbane. 3rd great grandson of Daniel & Elizabeth Jurd nee Douglas JURD FAMILY REUNION 2001 SATURDAY 29 SEPTEMBER 2001 WOLLOMBI HALL, BYO EVERYTHING Hot water available for further information contact PETER STEWART via email or phone 07 3858 4660 or fax 07 3858 4592 or by snail mail Marist College Ashgrove, PO Box 82, Ashgrove Qld, 4060 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAVE OUR CENSUS - ON 7 AUGUST 2001 VOTE "YES" To keeping your household census form in the National Archives of Australia, so this data will be available for genealogical, historical and medical research by our descendants in 100 years time. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Would like to find the "New Dawn" Vol 10 (1961) and any place to veiw archives for Bomaderry Home. I am listed in this volume above - but know not where to start looking Also Where & How to prove my aboriginal heritage to access these records Researching this from USA so can I do this online or is there a mail form required. Anyone from Bomaderry home (1953-1968) I am Kay Grant (Veronica P.K. Grant) Thanks Ever So Much Veronica

hi everyone, Looking for descendents of Robert Gamble sealer, Eliza (Nowen), Julia Morgan and Mary. Victoria to Western Australia. 1830 onwards. Please e-mail telo@primus.com.au theresa Perth, Western Australia Research surnames: http:/perthdps/research/lop01.html

Seeking anything on a Annie CLARK born Boorooloola NT. She married Eric Erlandson in Palmerston. Thank you

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