Hi everyone, I just wanted to offer some advice for those of you who need/want to explore or discount a Maori link in your families. I know that many people were told they were Maori rather than Koori. Some of the questions you could ask your family to find out if your link is Maori is to ask: What tribe? What area? Names, especially family names that may link back to a certain area in Aotearoa What canoe? (All Maori can link themselves back to one of the canoes that came in the great migration) On a historical basis Maori and Koori had links that predated colonisation (can you imagine the greatest seafaring race in the world NOT coming to at least trade over here?) Of course this information is strictly oral, therefore would not stand up to non-Indigenous academic scrutiny. There were also Maori ships/crews that traded across the Tasman. There was also supposed to be a seminary at Parramatta for Koori and Maori young men. This was allegedly linked to Samuel Marsden. There is a story in my family that Marsden kidnapped some of my ancestors (children) from the Hokianga (Nth Island) and brought them to Australia. When he was done with them he left them with the Dharug people. I hope this may help. ka kite ano Jo Kamira

Hello everyone, Names i am searching for are DOUGLAS/JAMES SAMUEL RAYNOR/ SISSON/TURLEY / GROTHERR/ GARLAND/ WALDREN/MALLISON Particularly from around Armidale Cobar Mudgee Rylstone Liverpool and Bankstown areas. Heather from Budgewoi

Hi Karen In the Sun-Herald 14th May 2000 there was an article on page 92 called 'HEALING HANDS" It was the story of the massacre at Myall Creek around 1838. There is a phote of SUE BLACKLOCK and BEULAH ADAMS who meet for the first time at the site of the monument that will record details of the 1838 massacre (photo by Simon Alekna). I believe the footballer (??plays for St George) is a relative Sue and he is working to help Abor. children. If you can't get copy of article I will copy it as I kept the page and post it to you if you want to give me your postal address. THE SUN-HERALD >w.w.w.sunherald.com.au< Hopes this helps you Heather form Budgewoi

Looking for members of the Amatto Family from Coolangatta, Berry, Nowra (NSW) Family names include: Sutton, Broughton, Page, Stewart and others. Cathy Dunn

David I apologise if i ask the wrong question but could you tell me what do you need to prove your family line to access the NSW archives. karen -----Original Message----- From: Pross Family <koori@iprimus.com.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality >Hi Gwen, > >I am the Chairperson of our Local Aboriginal Land Council, and we will only >accept people if they can prove their family line or have a member who knows >of the family and the person seeking acceptance. > >Cheers >David Pross > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gwen Redman" <gwenr@bmr.net.au> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:23 PM >Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality > > >> Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough >to answer it. >> Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the >family line/s ? >> Thanks, >> Gwen >> >> >> ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > >

Theresa it is a great relief to read your email because your story sounds so much like mine especially the Maori story. I cannot get any help because I am so far away from the birthplace of my ancestor and the people who are remain alive a very white and very not interested in hearing the real story. And unfortuneatly like you I can't prove anything I have to see records . Looks like there are a few of us on the long road so good luck in your search. -----Original Message----- From: telo <telo@primus.com.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality >Dear Gwen, > >Gwen Redman wrote: >> >> Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. >> Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? >> Thanks, >> Gwen >DNA testing might prove effective :). but seriously tracing aboriginal >ancestory is something that I have only just ventured into. Aboriginal >Affairs have tried to be helpful to me although because the names follow >whitefella ways and in my case I only have my ancestors first name to go >by it has become very hard for me. > >Talking to as many of your extended family members as you can may prove >rewarding. Some children are told one thing others are told something >completely different. I was told that I was Maori descent although some >of my other cousins where told that they maybe aboriginal descent. It >still means you still have to trace the lines. > >It is just being proven now that I am of aboriginal descent. To prove >this I had to become close to an amature local historian. My problem >was that I had to prove descent before the government would let me view >the records and I couldn't prove descent without viewing the records. >:( I am still not a full quid on asking to right questions! :) It has >been a hard road but I shall get there in the end - or maybe not, one >question answered is another one produced! :) > >I wish you well in your research. > >theresa >Perth, Western Australia > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > >

David I am in the same situation as Gwen, and I have been trying to find somebody in the Port Macquarie region to help me but have not been successful. Is there anyone or anything you can suggest helping find information on my family. Karen Bulli -----Original Message----- From: Pross Family <koori@iprimus.com.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality >Hi Gwen, > >I am the Chairperson of our Local Aboriginal Land Council, and we will only >accept people if they can prove their family line or have a member who knows >of the family and the person seeking acceptance. > >Cheers >David Pross > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gwen Redman" <gwenr@bmr.net.au> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:23 PM >Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality > > >> Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough >to answer it. >> Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the >family line/s ? >> Thanks, >> Gwen >> >> >> ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > >

Gwen I would love to hear what people suggest to you as I have the same question. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Gwen Redman <gwenr@bmr.net.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 5:24 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality >Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind enough to answer it. >Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the family line/s ? >Thanks, >Gwen > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > >

Where is Warialda/Coonamble If it is around the Orange/Forbes area Many records did not survive fires in the late 1800 ( so I have been told). ----- Original Message ----- From: L & K Kingston To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] RE Looking for a little HELP please Hello Listers, Can Some kind soul help me with the above names: Mary Anne TIDSWELL m Thomas BRINDLEY 1852 place unknown in NSW they had one son Richard J, b 1853, Father Thomas died 1858 Mary Anne TIDSWELL m Alexander DINGWELL 1859 Coonamble [his father died Merri Merri Creek 26.2.1869][ Mother Christina McPHAIL] they had three children: Isobella b Dubbo 1862 m Thomas BLACKLOCK at Coonamble 1880 Emma b Dubbo 1864 m Henry WILLIAMS at Coonamble 1880 Alexander b 1868 Coonabarabran Isobella & Thomas BLACKLOCK are on the 1881 census living in Happy Corner Coonabarabran they area listed having 4 HC males and 5 HC Females in the household. I can only assume HC stands for Half Castes. I have photos of my great grandmother [their daughter Mary Ann Emma Jane BLACKLOCK] b Coonabarabran 1887. Its clear that she is part Aboriginal. I was told Happy Corner was very much an aboriginal area at this time. Can any one confirm this? Mary Ann Emma Jane BLACKLOCK m Francis John TRIBE 1911 Warialda/Coonamble. Their children in order of birth: Joseph Alexander b 1881 Walgett m Lucy BATES Boggarbri d Coonabarabran 1944 James Thomas b 1884 Coonamble m Grace KEITH 1915 Sydney Mary Ann Emma Jane BLACKLOCK m Francis John TRIBE 1911 Warialda/Coonamble. Alice M 1890 Coonabarabran m Norman T H MILSON Charles W b 1893 Coonabarabran died Glen Innes 1931 Daisy B b 1897 Coonabarabran m Narrabri George A RUTTLEY Arthur Hector b 1905 [he had red hair] m 1926 Eva Georgina ROSS What I want to know is, Do I believe the census, were they both HC or was, one of them was part aboriginal, I can't find any record of birth of either Alexander or Mary Anne TIDSWELL. Is this ring any bells for anybody, PLEASE HELP. Any advice on where to look, would be great. Also these people must have had family. Any cousin out there? I would love to know from what tribe they came, the language etc.. I don't know how to go about finding out! Also if you are connected with my family I have photos and other information [on other members] I'm happy to share. TIA Karen ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Hello Listers, Can Some kind soul help me with the above names: Mary Anne TIDSWELL m Thomas BRINDLEY 1852 place unknown in NSW they had one son Richard J, b 1853, Father Thomas died 1858 Mary Anne TIDSWELL m Alexander DINGWELL 1859 Coonamble [his father died Merri Merri Creek 26.2.1869][ Mother Christina McPHAIL] they had three children: Isobella b Dubbo 1862 m Thomas BLACKLOCK at Coonamble 1880 Emma b Dubbo 1864 m Henry WILLIAMS at Coonamble 1880 Alexander b 1868 Coonabarabran Isobella & Thomas BLACKLOCK are on the 1881 census living in Happy Corner Coonabarabran they area listed having 4 HC males and 5 HC Females in the household. I can only assume HC stands for Half Castes. I have photos of my great grandmother [their daughter Mary Ann Emma Jane BLACKLOCK] b Coonabarabran 1887. Its clear that she is part Aboriginal. I was told Happy Corner was very much an aboriginal area at this time. Can any one confirm this? Mary Ann Emma Jane BLACKLOCK m Francis John TRIBE 1911 Warialda/Coonamble. Their children in order of birth: Joseph Alexander b 1881 Walgett m Lucy BATES Boggarbri d Coonabarabran 1944 James Thomas b 1884 Coonamble m Grace KEITH 1915 Sydney Mary Ann Emma Jane BLACKLOCK m Francis John TRIBE 1911 Warialda/Coonamble. Alice M 1890 Coonabarabran m Norman T H MILSON Charles W b 1893 Coonabarabran died Glen Innes 1931 Daisy B b 1897 Coonabarabran m Narrabri George A RUTTLEY Arthur Hector b 1905 [he had red hair] m 1926 Eva Georgina ROSS What I want to know is, Do I believe the census, were they both HC or was, one of them was part aboriginal, I can't find any record of birth of either Alexander or Mary Anne TIDSWELL. Is this ring any bells for anybody, PLEASE HELP. Any advice on where to look, would be great. Also these people must have had family. Any cousin out there? I would love to know from what tribe they came, the language etc.. I don't know how to go about finding out! Also if you are connected with my family I have photos and other information [on other members] I'm happy to share. TIA Karen

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Thank you Theresa. Your comment about our mob calling us home brought a few misty eyes to our household this morning. Craig

Hi Robynne I don't know at this stage if there is a connection. The name Leiala in not familiar. Have you searched for further information? Thanks Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Robynne [mailto:whitehse@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2001 1:53 AM To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] McLeod Hi Lisa, My GG Grandmother is Leiala McLEOD who married in Jerilderee around 1890 to a William HOGAN Is there any connection? I don't have any information further back than her marriage although I have found at least 12 children born from this marriage. Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Arnold" <lisandom@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] McLeod > Hello out there > > Trying to trace traditional links! > My GG Grandmother Margaret McLeod's birthplace is listed as Sydney in 1843 > her father is Donald McLeod and mother listed as Catherine McMullen is > there any one out there who may know of this family? or is related? > Crossing my fingers > > Happy Mothers Day! > > Lisa > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Dear Merryl Im sorry but I cant help you My Riley Family are all from Camden NSW but i will keep you in mind if i come across anything ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merryl Mulroney" <merryljm@worldnet.att.net> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Reposting Interest > Dear Dale, > Just received your lsiting. Have you by any chance come across a James > Riley. I'm searching for the parents of Rose Riley, born Wahring, vic. > 1883/4. There is no record of her birth that I can find but her marriage and > death cerificates list her father as James, mother unknown. My Mum > recollects a Joe REILLY and Cahterine, who she believes were children of > James also. Appreciate any leads. Good luck with your searches, Merryl > Mulroney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DALE CHALKER <dchalker@vtown.com.au> > To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 11:38 AM > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Reposting Interest > > > > Hello all, > > Just reposting my interests > > Riley/Reilly > > Hilton > > O'brien > > Ullstrom > > Green > > Clayton > > All from the Camden/Picton Area > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gwen Redman" <gwenr@bmr.net.au> > > To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:23 PM > > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Proving aboriginality > > > > > > > Perhaps this is a silly question, but perhaps someone will be kind > enough > > to answer it. > > > Is there any way to prove aboriginal ancestry other than by tracing the > > family line/s ? > > > Thanks, > > > Gwen > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

The answer to your Question is Alexander I have a Photo and some info on the Family if you are interested ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bialkowski" <bkowski@pcug.org.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Riley Family > Hi everyone > > Would anyone know the father's name of: > > Daniel Sylvester Riley and Tracker Riley (Police Sergeant) > > These two men are from the Dubbo area > > Robyn > Sunny Canberra > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hi everyone Would anyone know the father's name of: Daniel Sylvester Riley and Tracker Riley (Police Sergeant) These two men are from the Dubbo area Robyn Sunny Canberra

I agree with Robynne, if they reckon there is to many e-mails they should try the convict and tassie lists Cheers David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robynne" <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:18 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] too many? > Am I on a different mailing list? I rarely get emails from this list! > > Cheers, Robynne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anthony redmond" <redmond@idl.net.au> > To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Unsubscribe > > > > yes please unsuscribe us too as there are too many enquiries filling up > the > > memory > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: NANCIA GUIVARRA <guivarra.nancia@abc.net.au> > > To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:57 AM > > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Unsubscribe > > > > > > > Hi Team > > > > > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list please? The number of > > items > > > coming is far too many for me to keep up with. > > > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > > > Nancia > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Am I on a different mailing list? I rarely get emails from this list! Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "anthony redmond" <redmond@idl.net.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Unsubscribe > yes please unsuscribe us too as there are too many enquiries filling up the > memory > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NANCIA GUIVARRA <guivarra.nancia@abc.net.au> > To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:57 AM > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Unsubscribe > > > > Hi Team > > > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list please? The number of > items > > coming is far too many for me to keep up with. > > > > Thanks very much. > > > > Nancia > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hi all, > Craig Sams wrote: > If you did not have a family member who was > physically removed then ask yourself why so many of you are actively seeking > your Indigenous side.....<snip> This is just so true of myself and my cousins. I and one of my other cousins really wanted to know, and when I spoke to my other cousin about this quest she too became "infected" and so it went through the family. We all had to know. As one person so well put it, my ancestor was calling us all home! This is the reason why we all search, because our mob are calling us. > This is why it is so important that as we enter the 21st century, the more > of us who find our Indigenous forebears should be proud to claim these > elders as ours and, if you feel so, to identify as Indigenous.<snip> > then everything my ancestors have been > through would have been in vain - and the past policies would have been > successful - wouldn't they? How true these words are, and thanks Craig for your insightful comments. I hope that my cousins and I can be worthy of my ancestor and our cultural heritage and the great struggle that she had her entire life will not be in vain. theresa Perth, Western Australia

yes please unsuscribe us too as there are too many enquiries filling up the memory ----- Original Message ----- From: NANCIA GUIVARRA <guivarra.nancia@abc.net.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Unsubscribe > Hi Team > > Could you please unsubscribe me from this list please? The number of items > coming is far too many for me to keep up with. > > Thanks very much. > > Nancia > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >