>Is it OK for me to post this message to some other >reconciliation lists I manage ? Hi Lynn, I think it would be good to pass the message on. It would be a shame for people who had family connections there to miss this Memorial Garden event just because they didn't hear about it. By the way, the paper also mentioned that their will be a "bridge-walk" across the Shoalhaven river on the same day October 21st, 2001. Niall -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Pollack <lpollack@sydpcug.org.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Bomaderry Home Memorial Garden >Niall > >Is it OK for me to post this message to some other >reconciliation lists I manage ? > >Sonny spoke to me about this years ago - it is marvellous >to see this come to fruition. > >Cheers >Lynn > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Niall Is it OK for me to post this message to some other reconciliation lists I manage ? Sonny spoke to me about this years ago - it is marvellous to see this come to fruition. Cheers Lynn

Hi All, Something i read in todays South Coast Register (Nowra) newspaper may be of interest to subscribers of this list. There is a bloke in Bomaderry who is building a memorial garden at the premises of the former United Aboriginal Mission. His name is Sonny Simms. The Garden will be opened on October 21. You may be able to find the article and photo at... http://nowra.yourguide.com.au/home.asp under the title...."Sonny's a man with a mission" Here is part of the text of the article : Sonny’s a man with a mission By Keeli Cambourne of the South Coast Register (Nowra NSW) PHOTO : (of Sonny Simms) with caption.... MEMORIAL: Sonny Simms has worked tirelessly on creating a memorial garden for the Stolen Generation at the former United Aboriginal Mission in Bomaderry. Mr Simms said the garden is a tribute to the thousands of Aboriginal people who passed through the mission's doors, including his father Henry Joseph Simms who was one of the first children at the mission when it opened its doors in 1908. "This was the birthplace of the Stolen Generation and I told the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and ATSIC that it needed to be recognised," Mr Simms said. To that end, Mr Simms has worked tirelessly over the past few years obtaining grants, and designing the garden which will be ready to open to the public on October 21. The official unveiling has been widely anticipated by the Aboriginal community across Australia and Mr Simms said he has had calls from as far as Cape York with people wishing to come down to remember their own time, or that of relatives, spent time at the UAM. "There are 1000 people still on the books at Link Up Australia who have an association with the Bomaderry Children's home and most of them will hopefully be coming down," he said. "My Uncle Herb Simms, one of the oldest living people from the home, will give a talk on the day along with Harold Stewart another of the elders. "It will be a very emotional day." Mr Simms said all attending members of the Stolen Generation at the ceremony will help unveil the plaque commemorating the children who stayed at the UAM. He said the native garden will contain two special flowers - the Australian white rose which signifies peace and the Australian Forget Me Not. "I think they are very appropriate plants to have in this garden," he said. I hope this will be of interest. Niall Tangney

Hi Chan You could try searching the Mura catalogue at AIATSIS at this link: http://unicorn.aiatsis.gov.au/index.html In the first window click on the logo to go to the next window, then scroll down to click on "enter the catalogue", in the next window click on search "Everything" then in the next window, in the box marked "topical subject" enter "death mourning" you could also try "death burial". Some of the references that come up may only be available at AIATSIS but others should also be available at your university library. Hope this helps Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robynne" <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Fw: Deaths > You could try contacting the Koori Mail and putting a request in there > > www.koorimail.com > > I'm sure they'll help out and this is an Australia wide newspaper for Indigenous Australians. > > Cheers, Robynne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cathy Dunn > To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:07 PM > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Fw: Deaths > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chan Lim <omy111@yahoo.com> > To: <cathyd@shoalhaven.net.au> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:11 PM > > > > Dear Cathy, > > > > Hi Cathy, my name is Chan Lim and I am a 2nd year > > Medical Student at the University of Western > > Australia. I obtained your email address from a > > website dealing with Aboriginal family histories while > > I was doing some research for a recent assignment task > > that was set for us in one of our units titled > > "Aboriginal Health". > > I would be very much obliged if you could possibly > > assist me in my research as I have realised that there > > is very little information concerning the subject area > > that I am interested in. > > My Subject area deals with Aboriginal customs and > > rituals in the area of Death and Afterlife. For > > instance what is the standard rituals that follow the > > death of a family member. Are there formal ways in > > which members of the family mourn the loss. > > I am actually Korean by race, and in our custom, the > > first ritual that follows the death of a family member > > is to set up a small "shrine" in the room of the > > deceased in front of which each visting family member > > and friends will burn a stick of insence. It is also > > commmon custom for the immediate family members to go > > into a period of mourning for a 100 days after the day > > of passing where we will be dressed in black and > > refrain from normal tasks in respect for the family > > member who has passed. > > I was wondering if there were any rituals of that kind > > that exist in the Aboriginal custom. I understand that > > there may be different customs for different groups > > and communities, and that it would be hard to > > generalise certain customs. But I would be much > > obliged if you could assist me any way you are able, > > even with references to other individuals, websites or > > texts. > > I thank you sincerely ofr taking your time to read > > throught this email, and am grateful for any > > assistance you may have in my research. > > > > Yours truly > > > > > > Chan Lim > > (2nd year Medical Student, Univeristy of Western Australia) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

You could try contacting the Koori Mail and putting a request in there www.koorimail.com I'm sure they'll help out and this is an Australia wide newspaper for Indigenous Australians. Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Dunn To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Fw: Deaths ----- Original Message ----- From: Chan Lim <omy111@yahoo.com> To: <cathyd@shoalhaven.net.au> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:11 PM > Dear Cathy, > > Hi Cathy, my name is Chan Lim and I am a 2nd year > Medical Student at the University of Western > Australia. I obtained your email address from a > website dealing with Aboriginal family histories while > I was doing some research for a recent assignment task > that was set for us in one of our units titled > "Aboriginal Health". > I would be very much obliged if you could possibly > assist me in my research as I have realised that there > is very little information concerning the subject area > that I am interested in. > My Subject area deals with Aboriginal customs and > rituals in the area of Death and Afterlife. For > instance what is the standard rituals that follow the > death of a family member. Are there formal ways in > which members of the family mourn the loss. > I am actually Korean by race, and in our custom, the > first ritual that follows the death of a family member > is to set up a small "shrine" in the room of the > deceased in front of which each visting family member > and friends will burn a stick of insence. It is also > commmon custom for the immediate family members to go > into a period of mourning for a 100 days after the day > of passing where we will be dressed in black and > refrain from normal tasks in respect for the family > member who has passed. > I was wondering if there were any rituals of that kind > that exist in the Aboriginal custom. I understand that > there may be different customs for different groups > and communities, and that it would be hard to > generalise certain customs. But I would be much > obliged if you could assist me any way you are able, > even with references to other individuals, websites or > texts. > I thank you sincerely ofr taking your time to read > throught this email, and am grateful for any > assistance you may have in my research. > > Yours truly > > > Chan Lim > (2nd year Medical Student, Univeristy of Western Australia) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

----- Original Message ----- From: Chan Lim <omy111@yahoo.com> To: <cathyd@shoalhaven.net.au> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 4:11 PM > Dear Cathy, > > Hi Cathy, my name is Chan Lim and I am a 2nd year > Medical Student at the University of Western > Australia. I obtained your email address from a > website dealing with Aboriginal family histories while > I was doing some research for a recent assignment task > that was set for us in one of our units titled > "Aboriginal Health". > I would be very much obliged if you could possibly > assist me in my research as I have realised that there > is very little information concerning the subject area > that I am interested in. > My Subject area deals with Aboriginal customs and > rituals in the area of Death and Afterlife. For > instance what is the standard rituals that follow the > death of a family member. Are there formal ways in > which members of the family mourn the loss. > I am actually Korean by race, and in our custom, the > first ritual that follows the death of a family member > is to set up a small "shrine" in the room of the > deceased in front of which each visting family member > and friends will burn a stick of insence. It is also > commmon custom for the immediate family members to go > into a period of mourning for a 100 days after the day > of passing where we will be dressed in black and > refrain from normal tasks in respect for the family > member who has passed. > I was wondering if there were any rituals of that kind > that exist in the Aboriginal custom. I understand that > there may be different customs for different groups > and communities, and that it would be hard to > generalise certain customs. But I would be much > obliged if you could assist me any way you are able, > even with references to other individuals, websites or > texts. > I thank you sincerely ofr taking your time to read > throught this email, and am grateful for any > assistance you may have in my research. > > Yours truly > > > Chan Lim > (2nd year Medical Student, Univeristy of Western Australia) > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie >

Hi Robynne I'm searching in NSW. I've tried IATSIC sources in Canberra and came up empty handed re Mary Hogan. ALbert went to the New England district and fathered 14 children. He was anglican but married catholic, not sure where to look next!!! lynne >From: "Robynne" <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> >Reply-To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Re: PHILLIPS FAMILY >Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:13:15 +1000 > >Hi Lynne, > >What state in Australia? > >Cheers, Robynne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lynne West > To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 5:43 AM > Subject: [AUS-Koori] Re: PHILLIPS FAMILY > > > > Hello List > is there any one out there who can help with research regarding the >PHILLIPS > family. My ggggrandfather ALBERT was born in 1843 in Dungog. Parents >Albert > and Mary Hogan. He married Harriett Stephenson in Armidale in 1870. > Any news would be appreciated > Cheers > lynne > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi Lynne, What state in Australia? Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynne West To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 5:43 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Re: PHILLIPS FAMILY Hello List is there any one out there who can help with research regarding the PHILLIPS family. My ggggrandfather ALBERT was born in 1843 in Dungog. Parents Albert and Mary Hogan. He married Harriett Stephenson in Armidale in 1870. Any news would be appreciated Cheers lynne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Hello List is there any one out there who can help with research regarding the PHILLIPS family. My ggggrandfather ALBERT was born in 1843 in Dungog. Parents Albert and Mary Hogan. He married Harriett Stephenson in Armidale in 1870. Any news would be appreciated Cheers lynne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi all, I have had to change emails so I am back. I am still trying to find any info on the Sims family who lived in the Dee Why/ Narraweena area of NSW about the 1930s. Also any info about Charlie Steilberg/burg who drowned at Harbord beach in January 1946. Any info would be much appreciated. Liz ===== http://www.imagestation/members/yayla my photo album http://www.imagestation/members/kuniya Heidis album http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kooris our chat club you might like to join? _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more!

no worries - done Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leah Armstrong" <le-frank@acay.com.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 8:19 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Re: AUS-KOORI-D Digest V01 #79 > Unsubscribe , > I am still having mail sent to me please unsubscribe until further notice, > thank you > Leah Armstrong > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <AUS-KOORI-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <AUS-KOORI-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:00 AM > Subject: AUS-KOORI-D Digest V01 #79 > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Am posting this article as it may help someone out there re time frame, superintendent's name etc of the above mission. I wonder if young Daisy was even old enough to go the mission at her own request. There is no indication of Daisy's age, and found nothing re her burial at the Mission, Darlington Point or Hay MI's haven't located birth reg'n for Daisy from NSW CD Death Surname BROWN Given Name Daisy Father Willie Mother Unknown Place of reg'n Narrandera Reg'n year 1892 Reg'n No. 8910 >From The Narandera Ensign Aug 18, 1892 A young aboriginal girl named Daisy Brown, died at the Warangesda mission on Saturday last somewhat suddenly. She had been suffering from cold and sore throat about three weeks before her death, for which the Mission authorities applied comforting remedies, and gave her a tonic to help to strengthen her as she had for some time exhibited a want of vigour. The other blacks at the mission set afloat a rumour to the effect that she had been poisoned by the tonic given her. This rumour caused considerable perturation amongst the inhabitants of Darlington Point, which lies about three miles from the mission station, which induced Senior Constable Simpson to advise the coroner and ask for an inquest. This was granted, and Dr. Arthur Langdon, who has recently settled in Whitton was sent for to make a post mortem. At the request of the coroner, who is suffering from a severe cold, Mr. John Andrew. J.P., went up to Hay and held a magesterial inquiry, at which Dr. Langdon gave evidence. The doctor stated that the deceased died of double pneumonia and that the medicine given by the overseer was perfectly harmless, and had no connection whatever with the death of Daisy Brown. Mrs. Hannabas, wife of the superintendent, and matron of the institution, stated that she brought Daisy Brown from Sydney five months ago at her own request, that she was born at Boggamildi on the Gwydir, that her mother was a black, and her father a halfcaste. Mrs. Hannabas and Senior Constable Simpson also gave evidence the gist of which we have written above. A verdict in accordance with the medical testimony was returned.0

Unsubscribe , I am still having mail sent to me please unsubscribe until further notice, thank you Leah Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-KOORI-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: AUS-KOORI-D Digest V01 #79

THanks Peter I have just had two weeks holiday and spent a couple of them in Port Macquarie. I did'nt get to the Aboriginal Council, but I did manage to get to the library and saw an aboriginal map that was produced by a land council. I think I might have come from the Biripi as it looks like they were in the area where my research sends me. I will now write to the Council and see if they can help me with anything. I also found out that the Worimi and the Biripi people are now in a town called Purfleet (i think thats how it is spelt) near Taree, so I may be able to contact some body there ....who knows. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Peter Radoll <pjradoll@ozemail.com.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Help Please >Hi Karen, > >To know for sure you should contact the Port Macquarie Aboriginal Lands >Council. > >I know that Biripi was north of the Manning River around the Taree area but >I doubt that they would have stretched up to Port Macquarie. Also in the >Taree area there is Worimi and Ngamba people. > >Most Aboriginal maps are a non-Indigenous person's perspective of the area, >recorded well after colonisation and quite often there were smaller nations >that were not put on any maps. It is best to get the info from the Lands >Council. > >Peter Radoll > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Payne" <kpayne@fishinternet.com.au> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:58 AM >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Help Please > > >> I was just reading your email to Margaret and was wondering if you could >> read your map and tell me what tribes were around the Port Macquarie area >> please. >> Karen >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DALE CHALKER <dchalker@vtown.com.au> >> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Help Please >> >> >> >Hi Marg >> >I have an Australian map with the Tribes marked on it I will have a look >> >when i find it and send you there names for that area >> >As for the birth certificate I have the Australian Vital Records If you >> send >> >me what details you know I will do a look up >> >Kazan >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! >> >http://www.eboom.com/free/ >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: <rebel14@iinet.net.au> >> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:43 AM >> >Subject: [AUS-Koori] Help Please >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Could someone tell me where I could start searching for my gg >> >> grandmother's birth certificate when it is not listed on the NSW online >> >> site. >> >> Also any of the tribal names around Bourke & Brewarrina in the mid >> 1800's. >> >> >> >> Marg >> >> rebel14@iinet.net.au >> >> SAVE OUR CENSUS ... ON 7 AUG, 2001 TICK "YES" >> >> Want to know more? >> >> See: http://www.affho.org/affho-07.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > >

Sorry I haven't replied but I have just walked in from holidays. Yes I am the same Karen that is researching the O'Briens. My O'Briens were in the Walcha district. Karen -----Original Message----- From: DALE CHALKER <dchalker@vtown.com.au> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Help Please >Hi Karen >Are you the same Karen who emailed me about the O'Briens? > > >------------------------------------ >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! >http://www.eboom.com/free/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Payne" <kpayne@fishinternet.com.au> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 6:58 AM >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Help Please > > >> I was just reading your email to Margaret and was wondering if you could >> read your map and tell me what tribes were around the Port Macquarie area >> please. >> Karen >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DALE CHALKER <dchalker@vtown.com.au> >> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Help Please >> >> >> >Hi Marg >> >I have an Australian map with the Tribes marked on it I will have a look >> >when i find it and send you there names for that area >> >As for the birth certificate I have the Australian Vital Records If you >> send >> >me what details you know I will do a look up >> >Kazan >> > >> > >> >------------------------------------ >> >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! >> >http://www.eboom.com/free/ >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: <rebel14@iinet.net.au> >> >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 11:43 AM >> >Subject: [AUS-Koori] Help Please >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Could someone tell me where I could start searching for my gg >> >> grandmother's birth certificate when it is not listed on the NSW online >> >> site. >> >> Also any of the tribal names around Bourke & Brewarrina in the mid >> 1800's. >> >> >> >> Marg >> >> rebel14@iinet.net.au >> >> SAVE OUR CENSUS ... ON 7 AUG, 2001 TICK "YES" >> >> Want to know more? >> >> See: http://www.affho.org/affho-07.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > >

Heather, I actually have read the book but that was a while ago before I found out some of the names on dad's side of the family so I might have another look at that book. Thanks for that, I never thought of looking through it again. Regards Paul >From: "hbrooks" Reply-To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com To: >AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Family Research Date: >Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:52:38 +1000 > >Hi Paul > >I wonder if you have read the book by Bobbie Hardy " The Lament of the >Barkintji? Its is very interesting and tells a lot about the Native people >and squatters etc and their names and probably quite close to the truth. >Bobby used to live at Broken Hill I think. I borrowed book from Wyong >Library and would like to buy a copy. You may be able to order in through >interlibrary scheme. Researching DOUGLAS SISSON GROTHERR RAYNER families. > >Heather from Budgewoi > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi Paul I wonder if you have read the book by Bobbie Hardy " The Lament of the Barkintji? Its is very interesting and tells a lot about the Native people and squatters etc and their names and probably quite close to the truth. Bobby used to live at Broken Hill I think. I borrowed book from Wyong Library and would like to buy a copy. You may be able to order in through interlibrary scheme. Researching DOUGLAS SISSON GROTHERR RAYNER families. Heather from Budgewoi

Good morning list members, My name is Paul O'Connor and I am undertaking family history research on behalf of my family. My birth name is Paul Dutton, I was born at Broken Hill and my parents are Lorrain Dutton and Reginald Whyman. My maternal gp's are George Dutton and Alice Bates and paternal gp's are Harry Whyman and Valery Smith, my maternal ggp's are George Vicars Dutton and Kutji. My paternal ggp's are Chrissie Williams and Kemp Smith. Pop George Dutton was of the fish (nemba) people of the Wanjiwalku nation, his mother Kutji was from Wongkumurra country. Both countries are around Yancannia near the 'corner country' of western NSW. Harry Whyman and the Whyman family are southern Barkintji from near Pooncarrie. Whilst the only information I know is that Smith family and Williams were living in Ivanhoe. It is to this end that any information on Kemp and daughter Valery Smith would be appreciated. On Valery I know that she died on 14th June 1958 and her marriage record to Harry Whyman was of 1934. Concerning Kemp I know nothing and would appreciate any details on him and other family members. Harry Whyman it is understood was involved in an earlier marriage relationship (maybe defacto). But I have no information on that either. Also his parents or any siblings it is unknown. It is believed that his father may have also been Harry Whyman but it is not positive. Concerning George Vicars Dutton, he married a Mary A. Long in 1884, however, no other information is available on either, apart from George's death record in QLD of 1896. I would also been keen to know anything of George jnr's sons Willie, Jim and Charles Dutton. Finally, Nan Alice Bates's mother was Rosie Stapleton and father, Albert Bates. Rosie's mother was Nellie or Jennie of Cobham Lake. Nellie/Jennie had other children to a Mr Stapleton, Willie and Alice Stapleton. Any information on this family would also be greatly appreciated. Regards Paul _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hello Mailing List Members I am seeking Aboriginal Family History Information on my mother's side as follows. "My family origins are from South-West Queensland, particularly on a few of the properties in the Toobeah/Bungunya area, west of Goondiwindi - the names of these properties include Welltown, Winton and Kyawanna. With the help of Community and Personal Histories section, the State Library of Queensland and the Northern Regional Library (Moree, NSW), I have obtained some information on my family history back as far as Great Grandparents, however there are still plenty of gaps that I would appreciate any further information on. My Great Grandparents on my maternal Grandfather's side were Amelia WIGHTMAN and Edward NOBLE. Amelia was also known as Fanny and was born about 1859 on Welltown Station, via Toobeah and died in Goondiwindi on 9 December 1933. The Tindale records indicate that Amelia's mother was an Annie Bella BIRD (of Welltown Station) and her father was an 'unknown whiteman'. Annie later married William WIGHTMAN (of Toomelah, Boggabilla NSW) which is where Amelia took the name of Wightman. Amelia and Edward (also known as 'Ned') NOBLE had 6 children Annie (married James WATSON), George, Jane (married William SAUNDERS), Frank, Winnifred (married Jack RIGBY) including my Grandfather James Noble. James married my Grandmother Hannah ARMSTRONG in Goondiwindi 1925 - Hannah was born on Winton Station, via Toobeah on 1 April 1904 and died at Dirranbandi on 13 May 1960. Hannah's parents were James ARMSTRONG and Ada PARKER - both worked on Winton Station. As well as Hannah, James and Ada had 4 other children - Jessie (married Thomas BINGE), Emily (married Robert TURNBULL), Herbert and Harold. Prior to this relationship, it is believed that James had 6 children with a Teresa WHITE - these were Rolly ARMSTRONG (later removed to Woorabinda, married Effie COOMBRA of Bollon), Katie ARMSTRONG (later removed to Cherbourg, married a GEORGETOWN), Celia ARMSTRONG (married George HOPKINS), James (Jimmy) ARMSTRONG (married Eileen CAVANAGH of St. George), Alec ARMSTRONG and Leslie ARMSTRONG (married Rene CAVANAGH of St. George)." Any further details on the above families would be greatly appreciated - please forward any information to my email address descrump@gil.com.au Additionally if you require further information on these family connections, I have some details that may assist your family history research. Regards, Des. Crump descrump@gil.com.au

Addressed off list Ivan List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: "mahiman" <mahiman@xtra.co.nz> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] guess who > just got a call from the drips and cant pick the cheque up till 4pm so at > least we are getting something > hows bronos training going? > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >