This TRULY Amazes me How things have changed over the last 30 years that I have been gone..... Instead of struggling to be accepted for who you were - regardless of being an aboriginal now we are struggling to be accepted as a member of the aboriginal race, ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicole & Neil To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: [AUS-Koori] "proof of Aboriginality" Hi all I've been foolowing this discussion for the last few days with much interest, and thought I'd through in my two bobs worth. For the most part I've never had my Aboriginality questioned. Although there have been some instances where I too have had to provide the obligatory "proof of identity" papers. Its just another one of those hoops we Kooris have to jump through. I've gotten used to that. I wanted to tell you though about my experience back in the Family Court in 1999. It was there that my Aboriginality was seriously questioned! I was in court at the time concerning my two eldest children and a serious part of our argument concerned the fact that the children are aboriginal (their mother is not). Basically I wanted them to grow up in a home where their aboriginality is not something shameful. Any way to cut a very long story short I provided some 300 or so pages of Affidavit material of which 30 pages directly concerned my Aboriginality. I gave evidence about my mother, grandparents and greatgrandparents, about our country, its boundaries, native title claims and land claims my family had initiated. The things I had learnt from my grandmother and her sisters. I also had affidavits from other family members (one a very well known Aboriginal Identity). I didn't dream for a minute that my Abriginality would be questioned. Yet all of the above (the 30 pages of my history - MY IDENTITY) was struck out as hearsay. They wanted irefutable documentary proof - documents confirming my aboriginality and the boundaries of my country. Aboriginal protection board files were not enough. Indeed it was never clear what kind of documentation would have been enough. The other thing worth mentioning is the language employed by the lawyers and magistrate in court. Terms such as full blood, half-caste, quarter-caste, white race, wholely European, mostly white and it goes on..... The whole thing was so offensive. At one point I thought they were going to want to do blood tests and measure my skull! I'm sure if there was a blood test they would have insisted on one. Any way, sorry that this is so long, but I thought it was relevant to the discussion. Regards Neil ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database and Aboriginal links at: http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm

Loved the quote Craig Have a question - though living in America Someday I may return even if it is just to be buried around Huskison Bay However My Grandfather death certificate states his Occupation as Black Tracker. And of course I was raised in Bomaderry Home and am pictured in (I think) Dawn Volume 10 august 1961 or maybe it was april 1961 page 11 What would I need to do for this proof of aboriginalty. Would I need it to go home even for a visit Thanks Veronica ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Sams and Jo Kamira To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Hi All on 2/4/02 20:56, koori at koori@iprimus.com.au wrote: > Hi all, Michael Mansell said 1 time "Tasmanian Aboriginals are the only race > of people who wake up in the morning and have to prove who they are to the > rest of the world" > David > What a great quote. I saw a doco on Palawa and one of the elders said something like "You mob said we were lost. We weren't lost, we just didn't know you were looking for us"! Craig ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database and Aboriginal links at: http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm

Hi we (Neil and Nicole) are new to this site. These are our research interests. As regards to the places listed, we have attempted to list them in a chronological order of sorts. The family names on Neil's direct line are marked with an asterisk *. ANDY Moruya District NSW BOLLOWAY* Moruya, Turlinjah, Batemans Bay, Ulladulla, Milton, Narooma, Bodolla NSW BORIS* Batemans Bay BRINDLE Ramahyuck, Lake Tyers VIC BRYANT* Queanbeyan, Braidwood, Araluen NSW, Orbost, Sale, Maffra, Lake Tyers, Bairnsdale VIC, Eden, Bega, Wallaga Lakes, Kempsey, Nambucca Heads NSW CHAPMAN* Moruya - Mynora, Mullenderree, Braidwood, Bega,Wagonga, Turlinjah NSW Lake Tyers, Orbost VIC Wallaga Lake Mission, Batemans Bay Kempsey, NSW CAMERON* Wimmera District, Ebenezer, Ramahyuck, Lake Tyers, Bairnsdale VIC CONNELL Moruya, Bega NSW DONOVAN Moruya, Nambucca Heads NSW DUNCAN Nabucca Heads DUREN Moruya NSW ELLIS Ramahyuck, Bairnsdale, Lake Tyers VIC FLOWER* Albany WA, Ramahyuck, Ebenezer, Lake Tyers, BairnsdaleVIC HARTMAIER Braidwood, Araluen NSW KELLY* Nambucca Heads, Bellingen NSW KERRY Ulladulla, Narooma, Wallaga Lakes LOGIN Ramahyuck, Lake Tyers VIC NAMBLE* Moruya District NSW MARSHALL Broulee, Moruya, Kempsey NSW MILES Kempsey, Uangai NSW PENRITH Moruya District NSW PETERS Albany WA, Ramahyuck VIC PIETY* Moruya - Mullenderree, Newstead, Kiora, Batemans Bay, Broulee, Wagonga, Wallaga Lakes, Narooma, Kempsey NSW SEIDEL Braidwood District NSW SHERRETT Albany WA, Ramahyuck VIC STEWART Batemans Bay, Moruya NSW WHADDY* Nambucca Heads, Bowraville

Hi Barb, Try contacting AIATSIS they'll have all the information you need http://www.aiatsis.gov.au/lbry/fmly_hstry/fmly_hstry_hm.htm Try clicking on the Link UP button as well, a very helpful service! Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb and Tony in Oz To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:14 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] Clark from Booroloola Hello I am trying to find out some details on my Clark side of the family. I dont have much, but I am sure someone here will be able to point me in the right direction. Annie Clark was born circa 1894 at Booroloola Northern Territory to a Harry Clark. I have no further information as to who her mother was or anything about Harry. (would there have been a marriage?) I have been told there is no birth certificate for Annie because she was part aboriginal.. (Is this correct?) Annie married Eric Erlandson in 1911 at Palmerston and they had five children: 1) Violet Louisa Annie, born 1920 Darwin 2) Elna Annie, born 1911 Darwin. 3) Mabel 4) Irene 5) Allan Violet was the youngest. Eric died in 1939 and his wife I have been told died when Violet was a year old, making it 1921 or thereabouts. I have not been lucky enough to locate a death for Annie, but have Erics. (Would Annie have a death certificate from 1921?) >From the NT Dictionary of Biographys it states about Elna: " When Elna was 10 years olf her mother died and she and her three younger sisters and brother were taken to by the Church of England from Darwin to live in a Salvation Army home in Chelmer, Brisbane. At the age of 14 Elna was sent to work in outback stations in Queensland and she also cooked at a dairy farm at Beaudesert for 15 shillings a week. In 1929 she returned to Darwin on board Marella and stayed with her aunt, Granny Spain, the 'Queen of Darwin'. How do I find about more about their time at Chelmer? Thanks..anything will help. Barbara ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database and Aboriginal links at: http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm

Hello I am trying to find out some details on my Clark side of the family. I dont have much, but I am sure someone here will be able to point me in the right direction. Annie Clark was born circa 1894 at Booroloola Northern Territory to a Harry Clark. I have no further information as to who her mother was or anything about Harry. (would there have been a marriage?) I have been told there is no birth certificate for Annie because she was part aboriginal.. (Is this correct?) Annie married Eric Erlandson in 1911 at Palmerston and they had five children: 1) Violet Louisa Annie, born 1920 Darwin 2) Elna Annie, born 1911 Darwin. 3) Mabel 4) Irene 5) Allan Violet was the youngest. Eric died in 1939 and his wife I have been told died when Violet was a year old, making it 1921 or thereabouts. I have not been lucky enough to locate a death for Annie, but have Erics. (Would Annie have a death certificate from 1921?) >From the NT Dictionary of Biographys it states about Elna: " When Elna was 10 years olf her mother died and she and her three younger sisters and brother were taken to by the Church of England from Darwin to live in a Salvation Army home in Chelmer, Brisbane. At the age of 14 Elna was sent to work in outback stations in Queensland and she also cooked at a dairy farm at Beaudesert for 15 shillings a week. In 1929 she returned to Darwin on board Marella and stayed with her aunt, Granny Spain, the 'Queen of Darwin'. How do I find about more about their time at Chelmer? Thanks..anything will help. Barbara

Dear List Members I am seeking information or sources of information (including websites/links) relating to the following Aboriginal Missions: Euraba Mission, North-West NSW Angledool Mission, North West NSW Taroom Mission, South-West Queensland [My Great Aunt Katie (1913) and Great Uncle Roly (1918) were removed from Goondiwindi to Taroom and later to Woorabinda.] I am seeking the following names associated with these missions - ARMSTRONG, WIGHTMAN, PARKER, BIRD and NOBLE. Any information would be appreciated. Regards, Des. Crump descrump@gil.com.au

G'day Naomi, The CARTER family resided at Lake Condah originally. I confident that the family originally came from the Mount Gambier area, SA. I've got some CARTER information but mainly for Lake Condah, Coranderrk and Lake Tyers. Have your any christian names? I might be able to tie in with one. Regards Greg Baldwin -----Original Message----- From: N.Wolfe@patrick.acu.edu.au [mailto:N.Wolfe@patrick.acu.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2002 9:50 To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Koori] Good morning, I'm after any information about an Aboriginal family, last name Carter, from the around the Balmoral area in Victoria. Particular births from around the 1904 to 1917 era. any help appreciated naomi ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database and Aboriginal links at: http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm

Murial, I live in the Illawarra area now, if you write or ring the local lands council they might be able to help, They are in Dapto.I go to TAFE in Wollongong (Koori class) will ask around for you, there could be someone here that knows the family. Will email you if I get any info if thats ok with you. Two of the Elders here might know, Mary Davis and Roy Kennedy, will get back to you soon. Yayla --- Murial Resta <mresta@oceania.net> wrote: > Tracing Susan Ellis born about 1820 Illawarra > District.Father said to be elder of local tribe in > the Illawarra district.Can any one help please. > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database > and Aboriginal links at: > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm > ===== http://www.imagestation.com/members/yayla http://www.imagestation.com/members/kuniya http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool.

Good morning, I'm after any information about an Aboriginal family, last name Carter, from the around the Balmoral area in Victoria. Particular births from around the 1904 to 1917 era. any help appreciated naomi

Tracing Susan Ellis born about 1820 Illawarra District.Father said to be elder of local tribe in the Illawarra district.Can any one help please.

If some kind soul would have the issues which was published recently on the LANDERS family. The article is on RObert and Dave Landers who were boxers. I think the article was done in the about the last couple of issues. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, Desley QLD.

Hi Pat, I'm sorry but there's no connection that I have at the moment. Regards Desley >

-----Original Message----- From: owner-kfhs@maillist.ox.ac.uk [mailto:owner-kfhs@maillist.ox.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Anne Stopher Sent: Friday, 15 February 2002 14:57 To: Kent Family History Subject: KFHS War Graves - Australian Hi Listers, I have in my posession copies of photos taken for 6 out of 7 Graves in the Wareham Cemetery, Dorset,UK These were sent to me from a friend in London - Dave PAINE. 1)2364 Pte H.D.MADELL 3rd Bn Aus'n Infantry 11th January 1917 age 24 Wareham Cemetery,Dorset UK 2) 2454 Corporal R.E.COVENTRY 46th Bn Aus'n Infantry 21st December 1916 Wareham Cemetery,Dorset,UK 3) 1750 Pte D.G.RICHARDS 57th Bn Aus'n Infantry 23rd June 1917 age 22 Wareham Cemetery etc etc 4) 1718 Pte L V RANKIN 55th Bn Aus'n Infantry 10th May 1917 Age 37 Wareham Cemetery etc etc 5) G.E.COOK 9th Bn (Aus'n Infantry??) Father of Son G.COOK of Booval,Qld Wareham Cemetery etc etc 6) 778 Pte DAVIES 7th Aus'n MG OP 21st January 1917 Accidentally Killed Bournemouth age 25 Wareham Cemetery etc etc 7) Stone exists but no photo Pte J.JENNISON 13th Aus'n Infantry In memory of Brother Wareham Cemetery etc etc The copies are not perfect, but a record at least.Would gladly send on to anyone connected. Anne STOPHER 4547 astopher@iprimus.com.au # From "Anne Stopher" <astopher@iprimus.com.au> # via KFHS@maillist.ox.ac.uk - the Kent FHS members' discussion list # Kent FHS on the web - http://www.kfhs.org.uk/

Hello again Des, I should know not to trust my memory, the name I was looking for was Wighton. There still could be a connection, I will let you know when I have some more info. Thanks & Regards Pat Lake Macquarie,NSW,Australia

Thanks Robynne. Paul --- Robynne <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > It's in the North East of Victoria, not far from the > NSW border. > > have a look at www.whereis.com and type in Corryong, > Vic to get a better idea > > Cheers, Robynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Dutton > To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Corryong Rural School No. > 127 > > > Robynne, > > Do you know where Corryong Rural School is ???? > > Paul > > --- Robynne <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi > listers, > > > > This was sent to another list so I thought I'd > pass > > it on. > > > > The School Register from 1872 > > 1874 (below this list) > > > > Thomas Harris > > James Harris > > Andrew Harris > > Mary Jane Harris > > Mary Charlotte Stratton > > John Briggs > > Angus McIntyre Briggs > > James Briggs > > Neil Briggs > > John Waters > > Thomas Beaumont Waters > > Elizabeth Evans > > Hector Fraser > > Arthur Land > > Charles Murphy > > Annie Harris > > John Land > > William Henry Stratton > > Alice May McKenzie > > Joseph Land > > Elizabeth Briggs > > Margaret Harris > > Mary Ann Waters > > Lovdy Grace Evans > > George Murrell > > Henry Murrell > > William Patrick McCormack > > James M. McCormack > > John Murrell > > Catherine Murrell > > Fred Ambrosius Klippel > > William Ordish > > Frederick Brown > > William Phillips > > Charles Wheeler > > Thomas Whitehead > > William Whitehead > > Agnes Harris > > William Henry Lamond > > Benjamin Wheeler > > Agnes Klippel > > Sarah Ann McCormack > > Edgar Sheather > > Isabella (Aboriginal) > > Minnie (Aboriginal) > > Jessie Mathieson > > > > 1874 Additional Enrolments > > > > Flora McIntyre > > Emily Ordish > > Elizabeth Barbara Seaton > > Ada Sarah Jarvis > > Alfred Graham > > Ernest Graham > > Louisa Susannah Wheeler > > Alice Ann Evans > > Alice Ann Mildren > > > > Further enrolments for this first school have > been > > lost > > Teacher - Robert Stratton > > > > Cheers, Robynne > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research > Database > > and Aboriginal links at: > > > > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm > > > > http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings > - Send your Valentines love online. > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database > and Aboriginal links at: > > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database > and Aboriginal links at: > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm > http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your Valentines love online.

Hello Pat There could be some connection given the mobility of Aboriginal families - most of my Wightman connections are from Boggabilla/Toomelah - if you have some other details, including Christian names, I might be able to check for linkages. Thanks, Des. On Monday, 11 February 2002 15:33, Pat Teare [SMTP:patteare@bigpond.com.au] wrote: > Hi Des, > > I have been helping a friend with his family history. He has Wightman > from NSW: Dubbo, Wellington, Nyngan, Bathurst areas. > Do you think they might be the same family as yours > Regards > Pat > Lake Macquarie,NSW,Australia > > > ---------- > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database > and Aboriginal links at: > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm

Hi, Just wondering if there are any koori families under white or casey in the Canberra/Cooma/Snowy region. Best, Toby

Hi Paul, It's in the North East of Victoria, not far from the NSW border. have a look at www.whereis.com and type in Corryong, Vic to get a better idea Cheers, Robynne ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Dutton To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] Corryong Rural School No. 127 Robynne, Do you know where Corryong Rural School is ???? Paul --- Robynne <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi listers, > > This was sent to another list so I thought I'd pass > it on. > > The School Register from 1872 > 1874 (below this list) > > Thomas Harris > James Harris > Andrew Harris > Mary Jane Harris > Mary Charlotte Stratton > John Briggs > Angus McIntyre Briggs > James Briggs > Neil Briggs > John Waters > Thomas Beaumont Waters > Elizabeth Evans > Hector Fraser > Arthur Land > Charles Murphy > Annie Harris > John Land > William Henry Stratton > Alice May McKenzie > Joseph Land > Elizabeth Briggs > Margaret Harris > Mary Ann Waters > Lovdy Grace Evans > George Murrell > Henry Murrell > William Patrick McCormack > James M. McCormack > John Murrell > Catherine Murrell > Fred Ambrosius Klippel > William Ordish > Frederick Brown > William Phillips > Charles Wheeler > Thomas Whitehead > William Whitehead > Agnes Harris > William Henry Lamond > Benjamin Wheeler > Agnes Klippel > Sarah Ann McCormack > Edgar Sheather > Isabella (Aboriginal) > Minnie (Aboriginal) > Jessie Mathieson > > 1874 Additional Enrolments > > Flora McIntyre > Emily Ordish > Elizabeth Barbara Seaton > Ada Sarah Jarvis > Alfred Graham > Ernest Graham > Louisa Susannah Wheeler > Alice Ann Evans > Alice Ann Mildren > > Further enrolments for this first school have been > lost > Teacher - Robert Stratton > > Cheers, Robynne > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database > and Aboriginal links at: > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm > http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your Valentines love online. ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database and Aboriginal links at: http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm

Hi Des, I have been helping a friend with his family history. He has Wightman from NSW: Dubbo, Wellington, Nyngan, Bathurst areas. Do you think they might be the same family as yours Regards Pat Lake Macquarie,NSW,Australia ----------

Robynne, Do you know where Corryong Rural School is ???? Paul --- Robynne <whitehse@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi listers, > > This was sent to another list so I thought I'd pass > it on. > > The School Register from 1872 > 1874 (below this list) > > Thomas Harris > James Harris > Andrew Harris > Mary Jane Harris > Mary Charlotte Stratton > John Briggs > Angus McIntyre Briggs > James Briggs > Neil Briggs > John Waters > Thomas Beaumont Waters > Elizabeth Evans > Hector Fraser > Arthur Land > Charles Murphy > Annie Harris > John Land > William Henry Stratton > Alice May McKenzie > Joseph Land > Elizabeth Briggs > Margaret Harris > Mary Ann Waters > Lovdy Grace Evans > George Murrell > Henry Murrell > William Patrick McCormack > James M. McCormack > John Murrell > Catherine Murrell > Fred Ambrosius Klippel > William Ordish > Frederick Brown > William Phillips > Charles Wheeler > Thomas Whitehead > William Whitehead > Agnes Harris > William Henry Lamond > Benjamin Wheeler > Agnes Klippel > Sarah Ann McCormack > Edgar Sheather > Isabella (Aboriginal) > Minnie (Aboriginal) > Jessie Mathieson > > 1874 Additional Enrolments > > Flora McIntyre > Emily Ordish > Elizabeth Barbara Seaton > Ada Sarah Jarvis > Alfred Graham > Ernest Graham > Louisa Susannah Wheeler > Alice Ann Evans > Alice Ann Mildren > > Further enrolments for this first school have been > lost > Teacher - Robert Stratton > > Cheers, Robynne > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, User Research Database > and Aboriginal links at: > http://www.stardate.bc.ca/ivan/sub_pages/aus-koori.htm > http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings - Send your Valentines love online.