Thanks Sam I can surely understand the need to identify your Aboriginal heritage, my mother was told her grand mother was African Negro. It has certainly been very fullfilling over the years to meet the rest of the family, funnily enough we had Aboriginal relatives living close by, they knew who we were but thought we did not want to know them. Very much the opposite I could get very political but I'll steer clear of that.... Your info has certainly given me something to work on... it may take me a little while to check records but I will keep you informed Three questions 1. in your info you stated "The Kinchington's did farm land in Yackendandah, Vic. that belong to an Aboriginal group (they remained living on the farm land)". Do you have any further info on this? 2. Mary Ann Kinchington dieing in 1973 (aged 89) in Victoria, do you know where abouts? if you do the local community may know of her and she may of had family living there? 3. Should we communicate via our own email addresses? Bye for now Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Sam Beattie [mailto:russam@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 22 January 2001 1:38 PM To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Koori] who I am Dear Lisa, Marilyn and list I am on this list because I feel the need to identify my Aboriginal heritage. The was a minor rumour in my family for years about the "abo nose" (sorry for the language, but that's what was said) we have... I thought nothing of it until a great uncle told me that we were in fact descendants of an aboriginal woman who married a white guy. My uncle told me that his grandmother's mother was a full blood Aboriginal whose unmarried name had been Gorman. There are other reasons, besides simple curiosity, why I want to find out. My grandmother's father ran away from the family before she was born and the family was consequently split up. Years later, my mother was made a ward of the state, removed from her family altogether. There are deep scares in my family, and many secrets. I know you don't have to have Aboriginal heritage for this to occur and that having Aboriginal heritage doesn't mean this will happen. However, I have recently decided to find out the "truth". It's true that my mother has dark looks and olive skin. Two of her sisters and her brother are even darker... This isn't conclusive enough for me though. Looks aside, today all I have is sketchy BDM records. Here they are: George Kinchington married Mary Ann Bakes in Albury in 1903. (their oldest son, William was my grand mother's father) I know George Kinchington is not Aboriginal, I have the family line back to England. The Kinchington's did farm land in Yackendandah, Vic. that belong to an Aboriginal group (they remained living on the farm land) . Mary Ann Bakes is more mysterious. I can't find her birth record. There is, however, a Mary Ann Kinchington dieing in 1973 (aged 89) in Victoria. This may be her. Her parents are listed as James Bakes and Eliza Dorman (that's close to Gorman). There is a marriage of James Bakes and Eliza Dorman in Yack. in 1881. He was born in Yorkshire. AN Eliza Dorman is born to Eliza Chambers and James Dorman in 1861 in Yack. I can't find a marriage or death for either of these two. This is a clear as mud, but it's all I have. Thanks for the time, and I hope this clears up any questions. Sam ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Dear Lisa, Marilyn and list I am on this list because I feel the need to identify my Aboriginal heritage. The was a minor rumour in my family for years about the "abo nose" (sorry for the language, but that's what was said) we have... I thought nothing of it until a great uncle told me that we were in fact descendants of an aboriginal woman who married a white guy. My uncle told me that his grandmother's mother was a full blood Aboriginal whose unmarried name had been Gorman. There are other reasons, besides simple curiosity, why I want to find out. My grandmother's father ran away from the family before she was born and the family was consequently split up. Years later, my mother was made a ward of the state, removed from her family altogether. There are deep scares in my family, and many secrets. I know you don't have to have Aboriginal heritage for this to occur and that having Aboriginal heritage doesn't mean this will happen. However, I have recently decided to find out the "truth". It's true that my mother has dark looks and olive skin. Two of her sisters and her brother are even darker... This isn't conclusive enough for me though. Looks aside, today all I have is sketchy BDM records. Here they are: George Kinchington married Mary Ann Bakes in Albury in 1903. (their oldest son, William was my grand mother's father) I know George Kinchington is not Aboriginal, I have the family line back to England. The Kinchington's did farm land in Yackendandah, Vic. that belong to an Aboriginal group (they remained living on the farm land) . Mary Ann Bakes is more mysterious. I can't find her birth record. There is, however, a Mary Ann Kinchington dieing in 1973 (aged 89) in Victoria. This may be her. Her parents are listed as James Bakes and Eliza Dorman (that's close to Gorman). There is a marriage of James Bakes and Eliza Dorman in Yack. in 1881. He was born in Yorkshire. AN Eliza Dorman is born to Eliza Chambers and James Dorman in 1861 in Yack. I can't find a marriage or death for either of these two. This is a clear as mud, but it's all I have. Thanks for the time, and I hope this clears up any questions. Sam

Hi, I'm looking for any links to the Knox family from up Guyra/Glen Innes way. Harry (Henry) Knox b1860's lived in the Mt Mitchell/Backwater area. He married Emma Hibbert and they had 11 children: Hester Annie b1890 Jackson (John Henry) b1893 Florrie (Florence) b1895 Lizzie (Elizabeth) b1898 Edith (Ada?) May b1900 Vera Eileen b 1902 Emma b1905 Norman b1907 Francis b1910 Duddy (Christopher Roy) b1913 Horace b1914 My partner, Peter Radoll is a direct descendent of this family. Also, there seems to be a lot of confusion as to where you can contact Kath Schilling. The work she does involves ATSIC, AIATSIS and Link-Up - however she is based at AIATSIS. I know this as Peter has been working with her at AIATSIS for the past five years and she is a close personal friend - yes she is as nice as she sounds! I just wanted to clarify this so people can contact her directly and as quickly as possible. email family@aiatsis.gov.au Good luck with your search Jenni Bird Canberra

Hi All, Just hoping there is someone out there, that have knowledge of these names. TIDSWELL Mary ann Married first Dubbo1852 then 1859 died 1909 Ginnadah Alexander DINGWELL possibly fathers name was Joseph? married to Mary Anne TIDSWELL Thomas BLACKLOCK m 1880 to Isobella DINGWELL Coonabarrabaran also liver at Happy Corner Near Coonamble Both were listed as aboriginal on the 1881 census. Also I would love to hear from any one who knows any thing about Merry Merry Creek or Happy Corner. I know my family tried to hide the truth about our family. I would be grateful for any advice. Thanks Karen

Hi to everyone on this list - I just want to thank everyone who responded to my question below - It certainly helped to clarify things for me - I just feel a lot more comfortable if people can give some brief information about themselves - ie more than a name! Thanks again and all the best Marilyn Yuin Country Marilyn Pittman PO Box 1101 NOWRA NSW 2541 m: 0404 87 8647 email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: healingplace <healingplace@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? > Dear friends on this list...I just wanted to ask a question? > > A number of times I have seen posted, requests from people asking for information about certain people or names - what concerns me - is that the person requesting the information gives no identification as to why they want the information or who they are themselves...does this concern anyone else?? > > I don't mind giving out information if it can be helpful -especially to the Koori community - but I would just like to know who I am givng the information to and why?? > > If people have already given this information somewhere along the line please disregard this message - but maybe someone can clarify this for me > > All the best > Marilyn. > > (PS I am a Yuin woman from the South Coast of NSW and I originally got onto this list I think when I was researching some family history) > > > Marilyn Pittman > PO Box 1101 > NOWRA NSW 2541 > m: 0404 87 8647 > email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Thanks Sam Lisa -----Original Message----- From: Sam Beattie [mailto:russam@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 22 January 2001 9:43 AM To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] [AUS-Koorie] RE Providing Information to?? Hi again Lisa Just read your post. I have done loads of research into other types of family history and history in general. If you require help with anything let me know and I'll give you a hand. Sam -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Arnold <lisandom@bigpond.com> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 22 January 2001 9:11 Subject: [AUS-Koori] [AUS-Koorie] RE Providing Information to?? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lisa Arnold [mailto:lisandom@bigpond.com] >Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2000 8:14 PM >To: healingplace >Subject: RE: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? > > >Hi Marilyn > >I think your thoughts warrant consideration. I would definately like to know >who I am giving information to and why. >and in reference to my earlier mail sent by me requesting this.....are there >any Aboriginal desendants from the North East of Victoria out there? from >say Benalla/Wangaratta to Omeo? > >Iam Aboriginal having conections to Dja Dja Wurrung and Barkanji people, Ive >also got some more family research to follow up on that I will ask everyone >for help with in the near future when I get it together > >at this present time I am researching Aboriginal Language of North East >Victoria and I continually hear from people that all the people from this >area are all extinct, I know this is not true and I would love to contact as >many people from this area as possible. So if anyone out there comes from >this area please [Lisa Arnold] contact me Lisa Arnold > >P.O.Box 1535 > >Wodonga > >VIC,3689 > >Ph 0260246049 > >lisandom@bigpond.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: healingplace [mailto:healingplace@bigpond.com] >Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2001 12:35 AM >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? > > >Dear friends on this list...I just wanted to ask a question? > >A number of times I have seen posted, requests from people asking for >information about certain people or names - what concerns me - is that the >person requesting the information gives no identification as to why they >want the information or who they are themselves...does this concern anyone >else?? > >I don't mind giving out information if it can be helpful -especially to the >Koori community - but I would just like to know who I am givng the >information to and why?? > >If people have already given this information somewhere along the line >please disregard this message - but maybe someone can clarify this for me > >All the best >Marilyn. > >(PS I am a Yuin woman from the South Coast of NSW and I originally got onto >this list I think when I was researching some family history) > > >Marilyn Pittman >PO Box 1101 >NOWRA NSW 2541 >m: 0404 87 8647 >email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Hi again Lisa Just read your post. I have done loads of research into other types of family history and history in general. If you require help with anything let me know and I'll give you a hand. Sam -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Arnold <lisandom@bigpond.com> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 22 January 2001 9:11 Subject: [AUS-Koori] [AUS-Koorie] RE Providing Information to?? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lisa Arnold [mailto:lisandom@bigpond.com] >Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2000 8:14 PM >To: healingplace >Subject: RE: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? > > >Hi Marilyn > >I think your thoughts warrant consideration. I would definately like to know >who I am giving information to and why. >and in reference to my earlier mail sent by me requesting this.....are there >any Aboriginal desendants from the North East of Victoria out there? from >say Benalla/Wangaratta to Omeo? > >Iam Aboriginal having conections to Dja Dja Wurrung and Barkanji people, Ive >also got some more family research to follow up on that I will ask everyone >for help with in the near future when I get it together > >at this present time I am researching Aboriginal Language of North East >Victoria and I continually hear from people that all the people from this >area are all extinct, I know this is not true and I would love to contact as >many people from this area as possible. So if anyone out there comes from >this area please [Lisa Arnold] contact me Lisa Arnold > >P.O.Box 1535 > >Wodonga > >VIC,3689 > >Ph 0260246049 > >lisandom@bigpond.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: healingplace [mailto:healingplace@bigpond.com] >Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2001 12:35 AM >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? > > >Dear friends on this list...I just wanted to ask a question? > >A number of times I have seen posted, requests from people asking for >information about certain people or names - what concerns me - is that the >person requesting the information gives no identification as to why they >want the information or who they are themselves...does this concern anyone >else?? > >I don't mind giving out information if it can be helpful -especially to the >Koori community - but I would just like to know who I am givng the >information to and why?? > >If people have already given this information somewhere along the line >please disregard this message - but maybe someone can clarify this for me > >All the best >Marilyn. > >(PS I am a Yuin woman from the South Coast of NSW and I originally got onto >this list I think when I was researching some family history) > > >Marilyn Pittman >PO Box 1101 >NOWRA NSW 2541 >m: 0404 87 8647 >email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

-----Original Message----- From: Lisa Arnold [mailto:lisandom@bigpond.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2000 8:14 PM To: healingplace Subject: RE: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? Hi Marilyn I think your thoughts warrant consideration. I would definately like to know who I am giving information to and why. and in reference to my earlier mail sent by me requesting this.....are there any Aboriginal desendants from the North East of Victoria out there? from say Benalla/Wangaratta to Omeo? Iam Aboriginal having conections to Dja Dja Wurrung and Barkanji people, Ive also got some more family research to follow up on that I will ask everyone for help with in the near future when I get it together at this present time I am researching Aboriginal Language of North East Victoria and I continually hear from people that all the people from this area are all extinct, I know this is not true and I would love to contact as many people from this area as possible. So if anyone out there comes from this area please [Lisa Arnold] contact me Lisa Arnold P.O.Box 1535 Wodonga VIC,3689 Ph 0260246049 lisandom@bigpond.com -----Original Message----- From: healingplace [mailto:healingplace@bigpond.com] Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2001 12:35 AM To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? Dear friends on this list...I just wanted to ask a question? A number of times I have seen posted, requests from people asking for information about certain people or names - what concerns me - is that the person requesting the information gives no identification as to why they want the information or who they are themselves...does this concern anyone else?? I don't mind giving out information if it can be helpful -especially to the Koori community - but I would just like to know who I am givng the information to and why?? If people have already given this information somewhere along the line please disregard this message - but maybe someone can clarify this for me All the best Marilyn. (PS I am a Yuin woman from the South Coast of NSW and I originally got onto this list I think when I was researching some family history) Marilyn Pittman PO Box 1101 NOWRA NSW 2541 m: 0404 87 8647 email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ====

Thank You Chery. from Karenl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Susan Goh" <allawah@pnc.com.au> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 7:09 AM discovery, embrace it and be proud and those who know the stories please share. > Cheryl > Darug descendant > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hello Karen, Sam, Lynne and everyone else who has been busy with our list just lately. Its really good to see so much discussion. Karen you are right about one thing, 'the generation' but I don't think you understand the reasons. We, (Aboriginal people) have been taught to feel shame about who we are, this was part of our destruction as a People. I have written before about the policies being enforce on our people to assimilate us with the view to us becoming 'white'. Fair kids were taken from their families as we know through the stolen generations. Those folks who were able to hid or assimilate into the white society told lies and kept secrets so that their kids would not be taken. They could not afford to tell the next generation the truth about themselves, their culture or their history, they were terrified. Look at Sally Morgan's novel My Place, Sally grew up believing her family was from India. I talked to a very old man who is related to me he told me we are of Spanish descent. These are very typical stories to cover our brown skin. Those of you who are just starting your journey of discovery, embrace it and be proud and those who know the stories please share. Cheryl Darug descendant

Hello All, My name is Karen, I live in the Northern Rivers area, I hoping sks can help or advise me on my G X 3 Grandmother. In 1852 Mary Ann TIDSWELL* m Thomas BRINDERLEY the had one son Richard. Thomas Died And Mary Ann Married my Gx 3 Grandfather Alexander DINGWELL* at Dubbo 1859 they had three children Isobella*, Emma and Alexander When Mary Ann died at Gunnadah 1909 the BDM said she was aboriginal, I would dearly love to learn more about this, but all I get is silence, there seems to be a lot of closed doors when searching aboriginal history. I have their Marriage Cert but it didn't list their parents names. Can any one help me. Thanks from Karen

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Hi Lisa (and group) I am having a mentally defective day... sorry for the mistakes. I am so very confused by this part of my family. There are secrets and lies (all the reasons were legitimate, a mentioned in an earlier email) so I don't know which is what??!! I just spent some of the afternoon cutting and pasting all the BDM for Bakes to form family groups within Victoria, trying to find Mary Ann's place. To clarify I received some information from Kath Shilling, at the genealogy dept at ATSIC in Canberra. It was in the form of BDM records for Victoria. Apparently she is "THE lady who knows all about the aboriginal families and their genealogy, she is very very helpful and will direct you on how to find your ancestors". And , yes it is Albury they were married in, I can get you the exact year tomorrow. I am unfamiliar with this kind of searching so am as a consequence pretty ignorant about it all. So thanks very much for your helpful advice. kindest regards Sam -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Arnold <lisandom@bigpond.com> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 21 January 2001 7:36 Subject: RE: [AUS-Koori] who was she...? >Hi Sam >I will see how I go with the info you have given me. >p.s . you wrote in your mail My great grandfather, George Kinchington, Mary >Ann (Polly) Bakes In Albury in 19...something (did you leave out married in >Albury?) also you mentioned ATSIC helping you. was that an error? do you >mean AIATSIS? >I'll let you know if I come up with anyone! keep your fingers crossed >Lisa Arnold >-----Original Message----- >From: Sam Beattie [mailto:russam@bigpond.com] >Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2001 12:15 PM >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AUS-Koori] who was she...? > > >Hi Lisa >Sorry for the delay in replying. >I have been searching for the scant information that I have. It was in one >of the piles I have here in front of me!! >Thankyou so much for you kind offer of help. This is a matter I dearly want >clarification on. >There is family legend that says that Mary Ann Bakes was the daughter of a >full blood aboriginal woman, whose maiden name was Gorman. >My great grandfather, George Kinchington, Mary Ann (Polly) Bakes In Albury >in 19...something and apparently Polly Bakes had two sisters, Lisa and >Alice. >Apparently Polly lived in Kangaroo Flats before they were married, after >which the couple lived in Dederang. >All of this could be wrong. I have no pictures of these people so I don't >even know if they look Aboriginal... >I have seen my grandmother and her brother and there are features and skin >tones that suggest this may be true. My mum and her siblings look >possibilities too.... but who knows. I am just interested in laying this >myth to rest or clarifying it. >You probably read my post about ATSIC's help. I got a list of children born >to a Dorman woman and her Bakes husband in Yackandandah (Vic), with no Mary >Ann or Polly... > >I look forward to your reply. >Sam >-----Original Message----- >From: Lisa Arnold <lisandom@bigpond.com> >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Friday, 19 January 2001 6:20 >Subject: RE: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > >>Hi Sam >>I,m involved in reaserch in Albury/Wodonga area if you have a name you >could >>forward I will keep my eye out. Good books that may help are "My Heart is >>Breaking"- A Joint guide to Records abour Aboriginal People in the public >>records office of Victoria and the Australian archives, Victorian Regional >>Office and also "Riverina Aboriginals 1874 - 1945" Dan Elphick >>and >>are there any Aboriginal desendants from the North East of Victoria out >>there? from say Benalla/Wangaratta to Omeo? >>Lisa >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Sam Beattie [mailto:russam@bigpond.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:52 AM >>To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan >> >> >>Hi Lynne >>Can you let me know how your search goes. >>I have been searching for my Koori ancestor (mine was from the Albury area) >>and have had no luck and don't know what to do next... Very frustrating. >>Anyways, thanks in advance and the best of luck to you >>Sam >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lynne West <lynne_west@hotmail.com> >>To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 5:21 >>Subject: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan >> >> >>>Mary Hogan was my ggg grandmother. She married John Phillips and their son >>>Albert married Harriett Stephens in 1870. I am led to believe she was from >>>the worimi people and the family lived in the dorrigo/armidale district. >>Can >>>anyone help with information? >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>> >>> >>>==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >>> >>> >> >> >>==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> >>==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Hello Marilyn I often sign off 'Cheryl A Darug woman' or 'A Darug descendant' when giving specific information or asking for something specific. However I don't have any problem if people don't do this. As we know from the people who write to the list many are on a path of discovery, is this not the purpose of the list. Another thing I find is when one finds a link often people start to email privately, so very little in depth personal information is distributed on-line. I guess if anyone has a problem with privacy issues then they should not join such lists. But I'm sure you will agree most of the information is most valuable, if we can't help each other who will? A good point you make though, something we all should consider. Cheryl A descendant of the Boorooberongal clan of the Darug Nation

Hi to all listers In reply to Marilyn, I'm on this list because I am interested in my families' history and am on several lists depending where ancestors came from. This one because I believe some of my ancestors could have been Koori and this wasn't recognised by some relatives and I wish to confirm. Heather. -----Original Message----- From: healingplace <healingplace@bigpond.com> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:37 AM Subject: [AUS-Koori] RE Providing Information to?? >Dear friends on this list...I just wanted to ask a question? > >A number of times I have seen posted, requests from people asking for information about certain people or names - what concerns me - is that the person requesting the information gives no identification as to why they want the information or who they are themselves...does this concern anyone else?? > >I don't mind giving out information if it can be helpful -especially to the Koori community - but I would just like to know who I am givng the information to and why?? > >If people have already given this information somewhere along the line please disregard this message - but maybe someone can clarify this for me > >All the best >Marilyn. > >(PS I am a Yuin woman from the South Coast of NSW and I originally got onto this list I think when I was researching some family history) > > >Marilyn Pittman >PO Box 1101 >NOWRA NSW 2541 >m: 0404 87 8647 >email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

Wow Lynne, that's the same story in our family except for the Princess bit....but I couldnt put two and two together. That's why I went to Port Macquarie because I couldn't find in the library when a ship with Maoris went there....guess what they didn't when the lady from family history had a look in the files (for a fee!!) that's when the family secret came out. I feel sad that they (the old family) feel that way but I guess it was their generation thing, I could not have been more happier. Good luck Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynne West <lynne_west@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > I reckon there's a lot of us! My family was told for years that mary was a > maori princess!! An old great aunt of mine took some old photos to the dept > of aboriginal affairs in canberra and they have told us she was from the > worimi because of the bone structure in the face - apparently it's quite > distinctive - I'll keep going - probably hit the wall > lynne > > >From: "Karen Payne" <kpayne@fishinternet.com.au> > >Reply-To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:28 +1100 > > > >Hi Sam > >It seems that there are a few of us in the same situation. I have also > >been > >searching for my Koori ancestor in the Port Macquarie area and am stuck. > >It's good to know that are a few of us out there. > >Karen > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Sam Beattie <russam@bigpond.com> > >To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:51 AM > >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > > > > > > Hi Lynne > > > Can you let me know how your search goes. > > > I have been searching for my Koori ancestor (mine was from the Albury > >area) > > > and have had no luck and don't know what to do next... Very frustrating. > > > Anyways, thanks in advance and the best of luck to you > > > Sam > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lynne West <lynne_west@hotmail.com> > > > To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 5:21 > > > Subject: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > > > > > > > > >Mary Hogan was my ggg grandmother. She married John Phillips and their > >son > > > >Albert married Harriett Stephens in 1870. I am led to believe she was > >from > > > >the worimi people and the family lived in the dorrigo/armidale > >district. > > > Can > > > >anyone help with information? > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > >

Hi Lisa Sorry for the delay in replying. I have been searching for the scant information that I have. It was in one of the piles I have here in front of me!! Thankyou so much for you kind offer of help. This is a matter I dearly want clarification on. There is family legend that says that Mary Ann Bakes was the daughter of a full blood aboriginal woman, whose maiden name was Gorman. My great grandfather, George Kinchington, Mary Ann (Polly) Bakes In Albury in 19...something and apparently Polly Bakes had two sisters, Lisa and Alice. Apparently Polly lived in Kangaroo Flats before they were married, after which the couple lived in Dederang. All of this could be wrong. I have no pictures of these people so I don't even know if they look Aboriginal... I have seen my grandmother and her brother and there are features and skin tones that suggest this may be true. My mum and her siblings look possibilities too.... but who knows. I am just interested in laying this myth to rest or clarifying it. You probably read my post about ATSIC's help. I got a list of children born to a Dorman woman and her Bakes husband in Yackandandah (Vic), with no Mary Ann or Polly... I look forward to your reply. Sam -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Arnold <lisandom@bigpond.com> To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 19 January 2001 6:20 Subject: RE: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan >Hi Sam >I,m involved in reaserch in Albury/Wodonga area if you have a name you could >forward I will keep my eye out. Good books that may help are "My Heart is >Breaking"- A Joint guide to Records abour Aboriginal People in the public >records office of Victoria and the Australian archives, Victorian Regional >Office and also "Riverina Aboriginals 1874 - 1945" Dan Elphick >and >are there any Aboriginal desendants from the North East of Victoria out >there? from say Benalla/Wangaratta to Omeo? >Lisa > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sam Beattie [mailto:russam@bigpond.com] >Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:52 AM >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > >Hi Lynne >Can you let me know how your search goes. >I have been searching for my Koori ancestor (mine was from the Albury area) >and have had no luck and don't know what to do next... Very frustrating. >Anyways, thanks in advance and the best of luck to you >Sam >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynne West <lynne_west@hotmail.com> >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 5:21 >Subject: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > >>Mary Hogan was my ggg grandmother. She married John Phillips and their son >>Albert married Harriett Stephens in 1870. I am led to believe she was from >>the worimi people and the family lived in the dorrigo/armidale district. >Can >>anyone help with information? >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >> >> >>==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== >> >> > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >

In reply to the question about being worried about giving info here, well I guess because we are all seeking our history we have to trust people. I don't feel we are giving too much personal details away to cause any harm. Also as for things being kept as a secret about the families being Aboriginal, it seems to have happened to most of us here. Whenever I asked about my Father & his family I was told it wasn't my business. At the age of 50 I found out about my Aboriginality, within weeks of making contact with the Darug Corp. I was put in touch with a cousin also looking for her family. So we have been able to share info. LIZ A Darug descendant _____________________________________________________________ ______________________________Boing! Boing! Boing! Free Email @ www.KangarooMail.com ______________________________

Hi Leah thanks for the tips - I'm just starting down a very long road! regards Lynne >From: "Leah Armstrong" <le-frank@acay.com.au> >Reply-To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:55:23 +1100 > >Hi Lynne, >My name is Leah Armstrong and I am a descendant from Queen Margaret from >the >Awabakul Clan from Lake Macquarie. Did you know that Armidale University >has >a lot of info, you could try there, also that the tribes from Scone are all >at Armidale. I haven't been able to get there myself, I am lucky my sisters >Nola & Kerrie are helping me. It takes a lot of time effort and a bit of >frustration, but always go over your notes, always have a note pad with >you, >put the date and where you received your information, when doing family >research it is always a good idea to join you local Society or Group, as >they have seminars and the speakers are great. I get carried away >sometimes, >I write stories and can never keep them short. I belong to The Caravan Club >of Australia, another way to go walkabout. Hope I have helped in a small >way. Take Care God Bless >Princess Leah >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynne West <lynne_west@hotmail.com> >To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Wednesday, 17 January 2001 6:19 >Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > > > > > >I reckon there's a lot of us! My family was told for years that mary was >a > >maori princess!! An old great aunt of mine took some old photos to the >dept > >of aboriginal affairs in canberra and they have told us she was from the > >worimi because of the bone structure in the face - apparently it's quite > >distinctive - I'll keep going - probably hit the wall > >lynne > > > >>From: "Karen Payne" <kpayne@fishinternet.com.au> > >>Reply-To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > >>To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > >>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:00:28 +1100 > >> > >>Hi Sam > >>It seems that there are a few of us in the same situation. I have also > >>been > >>searching for my Koori ancestor in the Port Macquarie area and am stuck. > >>It's good to know that are a few of us out there. > >>Karen > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Sam Beattie <russam@bigpond.com> > >>To: <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > >>Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:51 AM > >>Subject: Re: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > >> > >> > >> > Hi Lynne > >> > Can you let me know how your search goes. > >> > I have been searching for my Koori ancestor (mine was from the Albury > >>area) > >> > and have had no luck and don't know what to do next... Very >frustrating. > >> > Anyways, thanks in advance and the best of luck to you > >> > Sam > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Lynne West <lynne_west@hotmail.com> > >> > To: AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com <AUS-KOORI-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Date: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 5:21 > >> > Subject: [AUS-Koori] mary hogan > >> > > >> > > >> > >Mary Hogan was my ggg grandmother. She married John Phillips and >their > >>son > >> > >Albert married Harriett Stephens in 1870. I am led to believe she >was > >>from > >> > >the worimi people and the family lived in the dorrigo/armidale > >>district. > >> > Can > >> > >anyone help with information? > >> > > >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >>http://www.hotmail.com. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >>==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-KOORI Mailing List ==== > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Dear friends on this list...I just wanted to ask a question? A number of times I have seen posted, requests from people asking for information about certain people or names - what concerns me - is that the person requesting the information gives no identification as to why they want the information or who they are themselves...does this concern anyone else?? I don't mind giving out information if it can be helpful -especially to the Koori community - but I would just like to know who I am givng the information to and why?? If people have already given this information somewhere along the line please disregard this message - but maybe someone can clarify this for me All the best Marilyn. (PS I am a Yuin woman from the South Coast of NSW and I originally got onto this list I think when I was researching some family history) Marilyn Pittman PO Box 1101 NOWRA NSW 2541 m: 0404 87 8647 email: healingplace@bigpond.com.au