Hello People Is anyone researching Martha FEGAN (FAGAN) married Thomas SMITH in Tasmania? Would love to discuss them with you .... Bright Blessings Sandie Fremantle Western Australia

Hi all, I am an anthropologist & historian derived from very old settler stock in Australia; mostly McKenzie stock intermarried with Varcoes who were old Spanish stock long settled in Cornwall before coming out here. Those people intermarried with Nixons, and it was the result most strongly influential in my upbringing. On my father's side mostly Rawsons, Bennetts, Coulstons, of that ilk generally from West Yorkshire, Lancastershire, Wales and Northern Ireland. My surname Hardwick is from my Pop who came out as an orphan from Somerset in 1914 and was quickly snapped up as a prospective husband. I think fondly of him and like to keep his name because he was so kind and gentle a man . . . Most of the rest, including my research data and some of my academic papers can be found on my web site, at: http://users.highway1.com.au/~gruagach For the purposes of my seeking to join this group, my research over the past five years or so has been into the history of the lower South West of Western Australia, 1829-1920. At present I am most interested in information in about 15 Irish women who came out here to WA on four of the Bride Ships in 1853, becoming the great-great-grandmothers of just about this entire district. If anyone can help I am happy to post their names here, what ships they came out in, and where they settled. Warmest regards, Gil

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Copied from another list - for your information from List admin. Subject: [HV] re Irish Girls Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:25:27 -0700 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:25:27 +1100 From: "Margaret Guy" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] As a volunteer guide at Hyde Park Barracks where the Irish famine girls stayed after their arrival in Sydney, I thought I would see what information I could find. Unfortunately in my short search through my notes,I have not turned up any websites but did find a list of some books pertaining to them and that time in our history. The Long Farewell, 1993, Charlewood, Don. Burgewood Books, Melbourne (note the extracts from the diary of Fanny Davis) Barefoot and Pregant? Irish Famine Orphans in Australia, 1991, McClaughlin, Trevor. Genealogical Society of Victoria A Decent of Girls: The Irish Famine Orphans of the Thomas Arbuthnot, Mongan, Cheryl and Reid, Richard, Yass Heritage Project (this group of girls from the one vessel all moved to the Yass area) I often tell visitors to the Barracks that very little is know about the many girls who went through the building as, with their marriages, they changed their names. It is only in recent times with people like youself doing family history research that the link is made to the Barracks. I looked up the websites given by Annie but only got results with the first two. If I find the addresses I will post them on the list as I am sure there must be many people with ancestors who came through the Barracks. It is a very interesting time in our history. Margaret.

My husband is a direct descendant of John HANLY of Kilgefin Parish, Kilmacuagh, Roscommon and his wife, Ann DUFFICY. Their daughter, Mary Ann HANLY emigrated to Queensland, Australia, where she married in 1874, Lachlan MacLELLAN of Inverness, Scotland. Anne DUFFICY is mentioned on the headstone inscription on the HANLY family tomb in the Kilgefin Churchyard. We would really like to know more about the DUFFICY and HANLY lines. Hope we can share information with others searching these names. Please see our HANLY -DUFFICY webpage at: http://www.heritagearchaeology.com.au/Directory%20Genealogy/Hanly/hanly. htm Kind regards, Jen ******************************************* Jennifer Lambert Tracey Archaeologist & Heritage Consultant HERITAGE ARCHAEOLOGY PO Box 4265 KINGSTON ACT 2604 AUSTRALIA Tel / Fax 02 62956795 Mobile Tel. 0419011860 *******************************************  

Hi Peter I have Cora Num's 2000 book too, but found the correct address on Cyndi's List (which is very helpful for world-wide genealogical info, if you don't know of it - see below). For Tamworth:- http://sites.archivenet.gov.au/tdfhgi/ I tried it out & it definitely works! Meanwhile Cyndi's List is:- www.CyndisList.com Happy hunting Judy Dickinson Sydney Australia > > Peter Dolan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Would anyone have the Address, particularly the web or e-mail > address > > of the above group? > > The address given in Cora Num's 2000 edition of "Web Sites for > > Genealogists" no longer seems valid. > > > > I am particularly looking for any Newspaper report of the death of > my > > Grandfather's sister in Tamworth on July 1st. 1918. Her death > > certificate reads "Cause of Death : Shock from burns accidentally > > received through her clothes catching fire. .... Inquiry > > unnecessary." I would assume that there would have been press > > reports of an accident so horrific. > > > > Has anyone any thoughts of where I could find out more information? > > > > Regards, > > > > Peter W. Dolan > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > Another line I like which I saw on another list - > > "when an old person dies, a whole library goes up in flames" thanks > > Peter > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > >

Would anyone have the Address, particularly the web or e-mail address of the above group? The address given in Cora Num's 2000 edition of "Web Sites for Genealogists" no longer seems valid. I am particularly looking for any Newspaper report of the death of my Grandfather's sister in Tamworth on July 1st. 1918. Her death certificate reads "Cause of Death : Shock from burns accidentally received through her clothes catching fire. .... Inquiry unnecessary." I would assume that there would have been press reports of an accident so horrific. Has anyone any thoughts of where I could find out more information? Regards, Peter W. Dolan [email protected]

Hi searching for families of Mary LUBY M. John TOZER 1868 at Richmond,Thanks Jim

Hi everyone I've recently resubscribed so I'm reposting my interests. There may be someone new out there who's connected, or someone with new information. "All assistance gratefully received." 1. John DELANEY/DELANY, born c. 1770/80 Dublin. Convict, arrived Sydney 6 Jul 1802 "Atlas" (1) from Dublin. Convicted Co Dublin July 1800, life sentence. "Plater & gilder" (convict indent). Married Ann BRIGGS (convict from England - have some details) 23 Aug 1813 Windsor NSW. Death details unknown. 2. Elizabeth (Jane?) SMITH: born 1817(?), either Dublin or England (conflicting info). Convict, arrived 25 May 1833 "Diana" fr England. Convicted Middlesex for stealing money, given 7 yrs. Married Thomas WEBBER (convict from Devon - have some details) 22 Dec 1835 Liverpool NSW. Died 18 Jun 1861 Sydney NSW. And on my husband's side:- 3. Charles (?) CULLEN (or COLLINS in Australia). Only know he was a school teacher in County Cork, but he had a son Charles CULLEN/COLLINS, born c. 1855 Parramatta NSW, a blacksmith, married Priscilla Elizabeth DODDS, 21 Oct 1878 Glen Innes NSW. Death possibly 1898 Murrurundi NSW (father or son???) 4. Mary Ann THOMAS. Only rough details: Born Belfast, married John THOMAS (perhaps a cousin??), 1880 Victoria Australia (possibly Ballarat area). John a fam labourer, Ballarat area? Son Elijah John THOMAS born 1887 Linton Victoria? No other details 5. Mary DILLON: born c. 1832 Dublin. Married Richard CAMPION (or CAMPEY), 2 Feb 1853 East Maitland NSW (RC church). Richard a contractor, from Cambridgeshire. Daughter Mary Anne CAMPION, born 1861 Bishop's Bridge (Maitland area, NSW). No other details on Dillon. Thanks in anticipation Judy Dickinson Sydney Australia

Hi All, First of all, my apologies to anyone who gets multiple copies of this message on various lists, or who have already heard this story. I am at a total dead end and am grasping at straws, most of which seem to disintergrate as soon as I get hold of them <bg>. First I will tell you what we know from actual documents. Frederick BEATTIE enlisted in the Royal Marines on 26th June 1847 at Killybegs in Donegal, Ireland. We have full records of his marriage to Ann(e) Willey in 1861, births of various children, emigration to Australia in 1883 and death in 1884. (can't find where he's buried, but that's another story.) Now for what we don't know for sure. On Frederick's enlistment he gives his parents' names as Alexander BEATTIE and Margaret MILLER. He states that he was 19 years, making his DOB 1827 or 28. He also states that his place of birth was "Parish of Killaghtee in or near the town of Hollybrook in the County of Donegal". His occupation is given as Labourer. Well, extensive searches on the net, by mail and in person have failed to find any record of his birth or of his parents' births, deaths, marriage or of them ever having lived in that area. Mmmmm. There is also an adress for Alexander and Margaret of No 1 Albert Place, Brandon Street, Malworth, London. I am not sure what date this address relates to or the accuracy of it, though. So, what is the theory. Did he change his name? If so, I can only think that I might as well give up now. On the other hand, it has also been suggested that Alexander and Margaret may have moved from Scotland as many apparently did in the late 1700s early 1800s, and may then have moved to England, and so were not born, married or died in the area. Well, there it is. If you have any ideas where I can chase more ghosts, or if you have any information that might help, I would love to hear from you. TIA Regards, Jenny in (mostly) sunny Central Queensland

Hello other Murray researchers especially County Fermanagh Murray researchers - hoping someone can connect to my Charles & Susan (Shannon) Murray (married Kesh) who emigrated from Fermanagh to Australia in 1838, arriving Sydney NSW 11 March 1839. They were accompanied on the Barque "Susan" by their six children: James, Phillip, Elinor, Mary, Charles & Margaret. - My research found Murrays and Shannons living mid 1830s at Aghinver, near Kesh Co Fermanagh IRE. Charles' father was James; mother Ellen McGoldrick (or McGoldrich). Family history relates the family originally were from Scotland - probably Plantation Scots. They went first to Garden Hill, Wollongong NSW and then settled eventually at Yatte Yattah near Milton on the NSW South Coast. Regards Joan Dawes [Email: [email protected]]

Hello Lorrae, Single Irish girls of the 'working class' with no family to support them were often classified as "pauper" by the parish council of their home town and rather than support them or go to the Workhouse the councils found it cheaper to pay the fare to remove them to another country. The life of an Irish girl in the mid 1800's was not good, and the opportunity to improve their staus by migrating to another country was often seen as 'a good deal' for some of the girls. In the Irish countryside they were expected to help in the field with the men, turf cutting, planting, cultivating, harvesting the grain and lifting the potatoes. All this plus bearing and raising the children, cooking, cleaning, sweeping the yard, milking the cows, feeding the animals and growing the vegetables and very few men would help with the women's work On the whole Irish women, at that time, were considered to be inferior to men and life expectancy for Irish country women was not good, so, a new country a new life and a possible marriage to a 'self sufficient farmer looked very good. The foundling hospitals and workhouses sent several thousand girls to Australia. Some records of these institutions have survived so if you think your 'Irish Lass' was one of these girls an enquiry at the record office of the relevant county in Ireland will tell you if the records are available. On arrival most were indentured as apprentices or domestic servants, some as house servants and the uneducated mostly as 'yard servants', kitchen maid or something similar. Many were ill treated by their employers. The government might move some into the country areas as servants or prospective wives for the isolated farmers. An interesting book to look for in the local family history library is "From Shamrock to Wattle" by Trevor McClaughlin, chapter 5 gives an explanation about the small amount of records available in the NSW Archives, most of which covers the period 1848-1851 only. Another study by Trevor McClaughlin is called "Barefoot and pregnant? Irish Famine ophans in Australia" published by the Genealogical Society of Victoria in 1991, a copy of which is held in the NSW Mitchell Library. It contains an index of orphans who arrived 1848-1850 giving details about native place, parents, relatives in the colony and if indentured. Regards, Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom & Lorrae Johnson To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Single Irish girls Hi every-one I am hoping that there is some-one who can tell me why so many boat loads of unmarried lasses (of marriagable age) migrated to this country on their own, please? I have TWO female ancestors with no other family in this country, who arrived via boat, and married some after arrival. I have been unable to find out what they did on their arrival to fill the short gaps. ....... ***** .......

Hi every-one I am hoping that there is some-one who can tell me why so many boat loads of unmarried lasses (of marriagable age) migrated to this country on their own, please? I have TWO female ancestors with no other family in this country, who arrived via boat, and married some after arrival. I have been unable to find out what they did on their arrival to fill the short gaps. Jane SMART born 1852 by shipping records and details reported on the birth certificates of her children; or 1856 in Lyneham, Wiltshire, England, UK if the records from Catherine House are the correct ones. She lived in Ireland and then arrived on the "LANDSBOROUGH" which departed London 15 Jul 1873 and arrived Rockhampton 24 Oct 1873. Jane married Michael MADDEN on 23 March 1874, and her first child was born 28 July 1874 under her maiden name. Pregnant either at end of boat trip or soon after arrival!!!! No other known family in Australia at that time. Does anyone have the shipping records for that trip of the "LANDSBOROUGH" to check for other single lasses? Mary Jane DAVISON was born 27 August 1852 in County Dury, Ireland. She was the daughter of Alexander and Jane Davison. She arrived in Rockhampton approx 1877, (said to have married directly after arriving). Mary Jane married in Springsure, Qld on 20 April 1877. Again, no known family in this country at that time. So, my question, why where the single lasses coming to this country in the 1870's, well after the potato famine??? Thank you Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

Hello Listers I am researching, and seeking the above names of Clonmel,Tipperary area, mid 1700's + I am also seeking the SHORTIS families who migrated to Quebec, Canada, in the mid 1800's+ from Clonmel, Tipperary/Waterford areas. Thanking you..... please claimcontact me if you see a connection ...feel free to offer any help, correction or suggestions .... any and all help is very much appreciated. > Regards, > Mary Shortis > [email protected]

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Hi everyone Tis a strange world when members from this family have married into two different lines of my family. Any help with this family would be gratefully appreicated. I have some descendants for my two lines, but looking to exchange details with other researchers. TIA 1 John PARSONS . +Ann THOMAS Father: John THOMAS ...... 2 John PARSONS Born: 6 April 1846 Died: 30 April 1935 .......... +Sarah EMBRY Born: 15 March 1853 Married: 11 December 1871 Qld, Aust Died: 1 May 1919 Father: Richard EMBREY Mother: Rebecca COOMBS .............. 3 Mary Ann PARSONS Born: 10 July 1876 Cavendish, Qld, Aust Died: 24 December 1972 .................. +James Henry SAUNDERS Born: 23 November 1881 Qld, Aust Married: 20 November 1901 Brisbane, Qld, Aust Died: 9 May 1905 Buried: 10 May 1905 Esk, Qld, Aust Father: James SAUNDERS Mother: Mary Ann MCGUIRE ***SISTER to grandfather's ancestor .................. +William EMBREY Born: 4 August 1882 Married: Aft. 1905 Died: 26 April 1978 Father: Richard EMBREY Mother: Maria EMBRY .............. 3 Annie Elizabeth PARSONS Born: 25 August 1878 .............. 3 Charles William PARSONS Born: 7 August 1880 Qld, Aust ...... 2 Susannah PARSONS Born: 1853 .......... +John McEwen REID Married: 16 September 1875 Qld, Aust .............. 3 John REID Born: 25 July 1876 Qld, Aust .............. 3 Thomas Mun REID Born: 17 April 1878 Qld, Aust .............. 3 Hugh Macfarlane REID Born: 8 May 1880 Qld, Aust .............. 3 Elizabeth REID Born: 8 January 1883 Qld, Aust .............. 3 Charles Edwin REID Born: 9 May 1885 Qld, Aust .............. 3 Eveline REID Born: 16 March 1887 Qld, Aust .............. 3 William REID Born: 9 June 1889 Qld, Aust .............. 3 Agnes REID (AKA): Aggie Born: 28 August 1894 Georgetown, Qld, Aust Died: 30 December 1953 Mackay, Qld, Aust Cause of death: Cancer .................. +William MADDEN (AKA): Bill ***BROTHER to grandmother's ancestor Born: 18 October 1888 Springsure, Qld, Aust Married: 6 December 1910 Springsure, Qld, Aust Died: 14 May 1949 Baralaba, Qld, Aust Father: Michael MADDEN Mother: Jane SMART ...... 2 Ann PARSONS Born: 17 October 1864 Qld, Aust Died: 6 June 1867 Qld, Aust Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

Hi all Interested in exchanging details with anyone researching this family please: 1 William ILES . +Ann SMITH ...... 2 Henry ILES Born: 1835 .......... +Anne COVERLEY (formerly WHITFIELD) Married: 26 January 1865 Qld Father: Moses COVERLEY Mother: Elizabeth ARCHER .............. 3 William Henry ILES Born: 23 May 1871 Springsure, Qld, Aust Died: 11 July 1955 Springsure, Qld, Aust .................. +Mary Ellen MADDEN Born: 18 August 1876 Ipswich, Qld, Aust Married: 23 July 1895 Springsure, Qld, Aust Died: 1 January 1942 Springsure, Qld, Aust Father: Michael MADDEN Mother: Jane SMART ...... 2 William ILES .......... +Rachel HOOD (formerly KING) Married: 17 March 1871 Qld .............. 3 Elizabeth Ann ILES Born: 3 January 1872 Qld .............. 3 William Thomas ILES Born: 8 July 1873 Qld .............. 3 Richard William ILES Born: 30 June 1875 Qld .............. 3 George ILES Born: 26 November 1877 Qld Died: 14 January 1879 Qld TIA Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich

Hi all Does anyone have any connection with this family please? I have details of the HAUGH descendants, but the other four families are elusive and possibly moved interstate or overseas. Thank you Lorrae Johnson Plainland Qld 4341 http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=helmrich 1 Robert MARTIN Born: 1847 Canada Died: 4 December 1882 Ipswich, Qld, Aust . +Jane Mary MADDEN Born: 5 March 1850 Limerick, Ireland Married: 17 August 1872 Ipswich, Qld, Aust Died: 19 July 1931 Toowoomba, Qld, Aust Father: Cornelius MADDEN Mother: Jane COLLINS ...... 2 Elizabeth Jane MARTIN Born: 19 May 1873 Qld, Aust .......... +?? ISLES ...... 2 Margaret Ann MARTIN Born: 6 September 1874 Qld, Aust .......... +Michael DAVIS (AKA): Jim Died: New Zealand ...... 2 Isabella Gertrude MARTIN (AKA): Gertie Born: 14 February 1877 Qld, Aust Died: 16 April 1961 Qld, Aust .......... +Patrick HAUGH (AKA): Paddy Born: Abt. 1864 Ireland Married: 17 March 1895 Qld, Aust Died: 29 October 1932 Toowoomba, Qld, Aust Father: James HAUGH Mother: Mary COLLINS ...... 2 Susanna Letitia MARTIN Born: 14 December 1878 Qld, Aust .......... +Charles Henry PENHALIGON Married: 4 July 1899 Qld, Aust ...... *2nd Husband of Susanna Letitia Martin: .......... +Jack COOK Married: Abt. 1915 ...... 2 Mary Matilda MARTIN (AKA): Molly Born: 29 October 1882 Qld, Aust .......... +Robert CARTY (AKA): Bob

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Searching for descendants of Mary Jane Tozer of Richmond early 1900s . Thanks Jim