Hello Jan, I have an Ann Carroll, married John Costello about 1858 in Ireland. Don't know where in Ireland. Her daughter Rose Costello married Michael McDonough and they came to Australia c1885. Do you see any connections? Regards, Kathryn Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Carrolls from Cork to Australia > I have never found any of my ggrandmother's siblings in the U.S. Since many Cork families found their way to Australia, I am wondering if anyone traces back to the following family from Kildorrery, Cork. > > Denis Carroll of Kildorrery Village/Town married Margaret Kennedy of Ballyshonack, Cork, in 1813. Their first children were born before church records were kept, but there was probably an Ellen, Denis, and Peggy since they served as Baptismal sponsors for the children of my ggrandmother. > My ggrandmother was V. Ann Carroll, born about 1819. She went by the name Ann, but her first name was most likely Veronica. Edmond was born in 1827, Catherine in 1830, Mary in 1832, and Anthony in 1837. > > Jan > [email protected] > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > <Qui dedit beneficium taceat; narret qui accepit.> > May he who does a good deed be quiet; may he who receives it tell about it. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Tom, and Happy New Year, I have an interest in Hickey, from Kilkenny. In 1841 one Harriett Lycet/Licet/Lysaught etc. married a Thomas Riley etc. in kelso near bathurst NSW. harriett was the daughter of a Lycet (etc.) and a Hickey from Co. Kilkenny. I have not been able to get Harriett arriving here and would love to know. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Hickey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-IRISH] Bohan > I have a gg aunt who married a Bohan in the Bendigo area > of Victoria in 1896. > > Have details on family members who have researched the Bohan family > and will hunt it out and send to you. May be a connection. > > Regards > > Tom Hickey > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 10:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Bohan > > > I am looking for information about two Bohan brothers, twins, who > emigrated to Australia from Galway, Ireland sometime in the period 1855 to > 1865 (?). They lived in Moycullen Parish, Galway, possibly in the townland > of Curra. They are my great grandmother's brothers. My great > grandmother, > Elizabeth Bohan , emigrated to the US in 1870. This is all the information > I > have, so if it sounds familiar to anyone, I would appreciate hearing from > you. Thanks. > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > >>"A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour."<< > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > Another line I like which I saw on another list - > "when an old person dies, a whole library goes up in flames" thanks Peter > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have never found any of my ggrandmother's siblings in the U.S. Since many Cork families found their way to Australia, I am wondering if anyone traces back to the following family from Kildorrery, Cork. Denis Carroll of Kildorrery Village/Town married Margaret Kennedy of Ballyshonack, Cork, in 1813. Their first children were born before church records were kept, but there was probably an Ellen, Denis, and Peggy since they served as Baptismal sponsors for the children of my ggrandmother. My ggrandmother was V. Ann Carroll, born about 1819. She went by the name Ann, but her first name was most likely Veronica. Edmond was born in 1827, Catherine in 1830, Mary in 1832, and Anthony in 1837. Jan [email protected]

I have a gg aunt who married a Bohan in the Bendigo area of Victoria in 1896. Have details on family members who have researched the Bohan family and will hunt it out and send to you. May be a connection. Regards Tom Hickey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Bohan I am looking for information about two Bohan brothers, twins, who emigrated to Australia from Galway, Ireland sometime in the period 1855 to 1865 (?). They lived in Moycullen Parish, Galway, possibly in the townland of Curra. They are my great grandmother's brothers. My great grandmother, Elizabeth Bohan , emigrated to the US in 1870. This is all the information I have, so if it sounds familiar to anyone, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== >>"A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour."<< ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am looking for information about two Bohan brothers, twins, who emigrated to Australia from Galway, Ireland sometime in the period 1855 to 1865 (?). They lived in Moycullen Parish, Galway, possibly in the townland of Curra. They are my great grandmother's brothers. My great grandmother, Elizabeth Bohan , emigrated to the US in 1870. This is all the information I have, so if it sounds familiar to anyone, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks.

Hello Julie, Happy New Year. The abbreviation is almost certainly Mooroopna, which is a lovely lovely word. no connection with my family, but happy to help Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Jameson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: [AUS-IRISH] WARRNAMBOOL AREA Death > Hello List, > > I am looking for a Richard Delaney who was born in Tasmania in 1863 and maybe came to Victoria. > There is an interesting Death Index entry of a man whose age at death is close to being what my > relative's would have been. The abbreviation of place is MPNA and I have guessed at > MEPUNGA near Warrnambool. Would anyone care to comment, please. > > Yours, > Julie in England > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > I knew that I was taking genealogy too seriously when I turned up at a cemetery search with a shovel > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

hi i am new here, and not sure how this site works, but i am looking for my ancestors, by the name of Temby. Also any Wilsons that came from belfast ireland to western australia in the 1800s ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: AUS-IRISH-D Digest V01 #206 Content-Type: text/plain AUS-IRISH-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 206 Today's Topics: #1 [AUS-IRISH] OKANE ["jim" <[email protected]>] #2 [AUS-IRISH] "Flying Cloud" 1861-18 ["Tom & Lorrae Johnson" <[email protected]] #3 [AUS-IRISH] Irish Surnames ["Jenny Formosa" <[email protected]] #4 Re: [AUS-IRISH] Irish Surnames ["Mason Family" <[email protected]] #5 Re: [AUS-IRISH] Irish Surnames ["Kathleen Crain" <[email protected]] #6 Re: [AUS-IRISH] Christmas Greeting ["ray urquhart" <[email protected]] #7 Re: [AUS-IRISH] Merry Christmas [[email protected]] #8 [AUS-IRISH] Urquhart ["Des Bradley" <[email protected]>] #9 [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin ["Peter O'Donoghue" <[email protected]] #10 Re: [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin ["Jim Blair" <[email protected]] #11 Re: [AUS-IRISH] Urquhart ["ray urquhart" <[email protected]] #12 Re: [AUS-IRISH] C O L L I N S / C ["ray urquhart" <[email protected]] #13 Re: [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin ["Peter O'Donoghue" <[email protected]] #14 [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin corr ["Peter O'Donoghue" <[email protected]] #15 Re: [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin ["Jim Blair" <[email protected]] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from AUS-IRISH-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the AUS-IRISH-D list administrator, send mail to [email protected] ______________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Julie, That town may well be Mooroopna, which is just across the river from Shepparton (NE Vic). The area in which a lot of your research has been based. Regards Tom Hickey -----Original Message----- From: Julie Jameson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-IRISH] WARRNAMBOOL AREA Death ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello List, I am looking for a Richard Delaney who was born in Tasmania in 1863 and maybe came to Victoria. There is an interesting Death Index entry of a man whose age at death is close to being what my relative's would have been. The abbreviation of place is MPNA and I have guessed at MEPUNGA near Warrnambool. Would anyone care to comment, please. Yours, Julie in England

Anyone who may have replied to any postings within last 24 hours. Could you please send again. Have had no end of trouble with email. Tom H

Beryl OGorman wrote: > >> If we were to organise a Gathering of all those whose ancestors left West > Limerick for the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and wherever else - in > about 2 years time at a suitable venue in West Limerick - perhaps a week or > a weekend of activities and celebrations, who would be interested in > attending? Me - depending on money and circumstances at the time. -- Anne Picketts WAIPU 0254 Northland, NZ "Waipu - the place to be in 2003" (Researching: DUGGAN and McCARTY from Abbeyfeale)

Hi All We are currently tossing this idea around to see what kind of reaction we get before deciding if it's worth pursuing. At this stage it is a query. I'm making no commitment. I want to know how many people would be interested and it would be taken from there, hopefully with a team of us. If we were to organise a Gathering of all those whose ancestors left West Limerick for the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and wherever else - in about 2 years time at a suitable venue in West Limerick - perhaps a week or a weekend of activities and celebrations, who would be interested in attending? There are thousands of us out there it seems to me. We are not looking for a firm commitment - just an expression of interest. The boundaries would be those set out by Kate Press and Val Thompson in their book - "West Limerick Families Abroad" - That area of County Limerick bounded on the north by the Shannon River, on the west by County Kerry, on the east by the Deel River and on the south by the area around Newcastle West. By the same token, there is no way anyone who wanted to be a part of this would be excluded - the more the merrier. I have no idea how the descendants of the people who never left would take this. They might be bemused, they might be disinterested or they might join us and make the occasion one that none of us will ever forget. To have a couple of contact people at that end would be fantastic. Kate Press tells me I have rocks in my head. Pat Connors (Limerick List) tells me to bite the bullet and run with it. I think that we would just have a ball. And all big things start with a dream. So tell me what you think and if you'd come. I was going to say reply to me privately and I'll post back a summary of the responses, but I suspect many of you might enjoy reading the responses on the List. I'll leave that adjudication to the Listowner. Back I go behind bars to take my medication!!!!!! Best wishes Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia

Thanks Ray - Don't recognise those names, but shall keep the details "just in case". Haven't done very much on that line as yet. Thanks again Judy Dickinson > ray urquhart <[email protected]> wrote: > > Judy,my COLLINS was Mary Ann,born 14 April 1850 in Sydney.She married > > Bernard Carroll 26 January 1867, and died 6 January 1940,at Manly. > Cheers, > Ray. > > > >From: [email protected] > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [AUS-IRISH] Merry Christmas > >Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:34:19 +1100 > > > >Hi Ray > >Noticed you are researching COLLINS- there's a CULLEN on my > husband's tree > >that became known as COLLINS. Charles (we think), a schoolteacher > from Co > >Cork, came out probably around mid-1800s, & settled eventually in > the > >Hunter > >Valley. His grandchildren at some stage changed their names back to > CULLEN. > >Any connection? > > > >Best wishes > >Judy Dickinson > >in a smoke-hazed Sydney > > > > > > > > > ray urquhart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hullo,Judy: > > > Thanks for your kind wishes for merriment at Christmas-time,which > are > > > > > > heartily reciprocated > > > Ray. > > > Researching CARROLL,COLLINS,BROWN-all N.S.W. > > > > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Merry Christmas > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:50:48 +1100 > > > > > > > >Hello to everyone and Merry Christmas to all, and your families! > > > Have a > > > >wonderful > > > >New Year too, and lots of successful research for 2002. > > > > > > > >Thank you for the help & learning I've received through this > list > > > with my > > > >research > > > >these past few months. > > > > > > > >Best wishes > > > >Judy Dickinson > > > >Sydney Australia > > > > > > > >Researching DELANEY, CULLEN/COLLINS, & DILLON. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > > ** Cyndi's List is sponsored by SierraHome ** > > > > http://www.sierrahome.com > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > >go to: > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ _ > >___ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > Another line I like which I saw on another list - > > > "when an old person dies, a whole library goes up in flames" > thanks > > > Peter > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > >I knew that I was taking genealogy too seriously when I turned up at > a > >cemetery search with a shovel > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ ___ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > Another line I like which I saw on another list - > "when an old person dies, a whole library goes up in flames" thanks > Peter > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Judy,my COLLINS was Mary Ann,born 14 April 1850 in Sydney.She married Bernard Carroll 26 January 1867, and died 6 January 1940,at Manly. Cheers, Ray. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [AUS-IRISH] Merry Christmas >Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:34:19 +1100 > >Hi Ray >Noticed you are researching COLLINS- there's a CULLEN on my husband's tree >that became known as COLLINS. Charles (we think), a schoolteacher from Co >Cork, came out probably around mid-1800s, & settled eventually in the >Hunter >Valley. His grandchildren at some stage changed their names back to CULLEN. >Any connection? > >Best wishes >Judy Dickinson >in a smoke-hazed Sydney > > > > > ray urquhart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hullo,Judy: > > Thanks for your kind wishes for merriment at Christmas-time,which are > > > > heartily reciprocated > > Ray. > > Researching CARROLL,COLLINS,BROWN-all N.S.W. > > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Merry Christmas > > >Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:50:48 +1100 > > > > > >Hello to everyone and Merry Christmas to all, and your families! > > Have a > > >wonderful > > >New Year too, and lots of successful research for 2002. > > > > > >Thank you for the help & learning I've received through this list > > with my > > >research > > >these past few months. > > > > > >Best wishes > > >Judy Dickinson > > >Sydney Australia > > > > > >Researching DELANEY, CULLEN/COLLINS, & DILLON. > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > > ** Cyndi's List is sponsored by SierraHome ** > > > http://www.sierrahome.com > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________ >___ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > > Another line I like which I saw on another list - > > "when an old person dies, a whole library goes up in flames" thanks > > Peter > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== >I knew that I was taking genealogy too seriously when I turned up at a >cemetery search with a shovel > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Many thanks,Des Ray. >From: "Des Bradley" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [AUS-IRISH] Urquhart >Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:05:59 +0800 > >Hello Ray. >Dr Hugh Urquhart lived in Beaudesert, Qld, in 1960 but died some years >later whilst still a relatively young man. He delivered one of my >daughters. >Des Bradley > > > > >Thanks,Jackie.I may try and follow that up. >Seasons Greetings, >Ray. > > > >From: "Boss" <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [AUS-IRISH] Christmas Greetings > >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:34:28 +1000 > > > > > >==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > >>"A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour."<< > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Good idea,Beryl! Kathleen Crain Vancouver,BC,Canada >From: "Beryl OGorman" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [AUS-IRISH] A West Limerick proposal >Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:11:24 +1100 > >Hi All > >We are currently tossing this idea around to see what kind of reaction we >get before deciding if it's worth pursuing. At this stage it is a query. >I'm >making no commitment. I want to know how many people would be interested >and >it would be taken from there, hopefully with a team of us. > >If we were to organise a Gathering of all those whose ancestors left West >Limerick for the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and wherever else - in >about 2 years time at a suitable venue in West Limerick - perhaps a week or >a weekend of activities and celebrations, who would be interested in >attending? There are thousands of us out there it seems to me. We are not >looking for a firm commitment - just an expression of interest. > >The boundaries would be those set out by Kate Press and Val Thompson in >their book - "West Limerick Families Abroad" - That area of County Limerick >bounded on the north by the Shannon River, on the west by County Kerry, on >the east by the Deel River and on the south by the area around Newcastle >West. By the same token, there is no way anyone who >wanted to be a part of this would be excluded - the more the merrier. > >I have no idea how the descendants of the people who never left would take >this. They might be bemused, they might be disinterested or they might join >us and make the occasion one that none of us will ever forget. To have a >couple of contact people at that end would be fantastic. > >Kate Press tells me I have rocks in my head. >Pat Connors (Limerick List) tells me to bite the bullet and run with it. >I think that we would just have a ball. And all big things start with a >dream. >So tell me what you think and if you'd come. >I was going to say reply to me privately and I'll post back a summary of >the >responses, but I suspect many of you might enjoy reading the responses on >the List. I'll leave that adjudication to the Listowner. > >Back I go behind bars to take my medication!!!!!! >Best wishes >Beryl > >Beryl O'Gorman >Greensborough Victoria Australia > > > >==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== >Another line I like which I saw on another list - >"when an old person dies, a whole library goes up in flames" thanks Peter > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Correction to marriage date Mary Christine Cronin & John O'Donoghue 18th July 1866 "sorry must be the irish in me" I am lucky enough to have have all decendant info right down to my latest grandson born this year. I am looking for clues to flesh out Mary and John [also siblings and ancestors] I have marriage and death certificates for them and bdm certs for all decendents. I do not know date or route for either of them from Ire to NZ or NZ to Braidwood in NSW. regards Peter

Thanks Jim, I am very lucky to have all the descendents of Mary Cronin and John O'Donoghue pegged right down to my latest grandson born this year. I am lucky I have a full set of bdm certs down from them and know all decendents. I am missing all knowledge of any brothers/ sisters and bdm of parents regards Peter O'D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin > Mary anne O'Donohue M. John Blair in Werribee Vic in 1878 ref. No. 2190. > Parents Phillip O'donohue and Eliza Cox. Jim Blair

You should get that from death cert. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter O'Donoghue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin > Thanks Jim, > I am very lucky to have all the descendents of Mary Cronin and John > O'Donoghue pegged right down to my latest grandson born this year. > I am lucky I have a full set of bdm certs down from them and know all > decendents. I am missing all knowledge of any brothers/ sisters and bdm of > parents > > regards > Peter O'D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Blair" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IRISH] O'Donoghue Cronin > > > > Mary anne O'Donohue M. John Blair in Werribee Vic in 1878 ref. No. 2190. > > Parents Phillip O'donohue and Eliza Cox. Jim Blair > > > > ==== AUS-IRISH Mailing List ==== > ** Cyndi's List is sponsored by SierraHome ** > http://www.sierrahome.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Researching O'Donoghue/Cronin line John O'Donoghue born 1853 Kerry, immigrated to New Zealand [18??] where he met and married in 1853 Mary Christine Cronin born 1857 Killarny, immigrated to New Zealand [18??]. Parents of John O'Donoghue shown as John O'Donoghue [occupation farmer] born 18?? he married 18?? to Kate Murphy born 18?? Parents of Mary Christine Cronin shown as Michael Cronin [occupation farmer] born 18?? he married 18?? to Ellen Green born 18?? Can anyone help put some flesh on the bones we have got, or help dig up some futher back ancestor bones. A Happy, Healthy and Historical New Year to all Listers Peter O'Donoghue Sydney Australia Keep going--it is almost the end of the year.