Good morning Listers, I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , that the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd June, 1797. Thank you. Regards, Janice

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1891/05/9993wod.htm Passenger/crew list for anyone who might be interested. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message -----

Hi Janice, I do not know for certain what month the Granges sailed but it would have been around the beginning of February as they were at sea for 5 months. Yes she sailed from Portsmouth. I have some more information on this ship that I could give you if you are interested as my husbands GreatGr. Gr. Grandfather came out on her as a soldier. Cheers Annette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges Good morning Listers, I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , that the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd June, 1797. Thank you. Regards, Janice ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005

Hi Annette, Thank you so much for your offer Annette, I would be very grateful. At the moment I am researching Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) and his wife Agnes, who sailed under her maiden name, Agnes Shales with thier baby son Thomas. Dr. James Mileham the "Ganges" ship's surgeon, was so grateful for the assistance that Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) was able to give him on the voyage, with helping him tend the sick convicts, he became his mentor and close friend and helped Thomas to finish his studies to become a physician and surgeon, which he had started back in England. Thomas father was Dr. John Parnell and his brother at the time of his arrest was also studying with Thomas to be in the medical profession. Thomas, at the time of his arrest, lied about his age, his name and his profession to protect his family from the shame of his arrest, trial and sentence of transportation for Life. In 1814, under the name of "...Thomas Parnell, otherwise John Williams he was granted a Conditional Pardon..." I am at the moment filling in the story of the voyage on the Ganges. My brother in law's ggg grandfather was also a soldier on board this ship in 1797. Regards, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Tollis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > Hi Janice, I do not know for certain what month the Granges sailed but it > would have been around the beginning of February as they were at sea for 5 > months. Yes she sailed from Portsmouth. I have some more information on > this ship that I could give you if you are interested as my husbands > GreatGr. Gr. Grandfather came out on her as a soldier. > > Cheers Annette. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > > > Good morning Listers, > > I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , > that > the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? > Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd > June, 1797. Thank you. > > Regards, > Janice > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi Janice, Just doing a "Google" search of the Ganges and found the following site, which lists a Agnes Shales, but no mention of her being Thomas Parnell alias John Williams wife. Have a look http://www.home.gil.com.au/~rkbt/arrivals.html It was updated today. Kind regards, Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > Hi Annette, > > Thank you so much for your offer Annette, I would be very grateful. At > the moment I am researching Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) and his > wife Agnes, who sailed under her maiden name, Agnes Shales with thier baby > son Thomas. > > Dr. James Mileham the "Ganges" ship's surgeon, was so grateful for the > assistance that Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) was able to give him > on the voyage, with helping him tend the sick convicts, he became his > mentor and close friend and helped Thomas to finish his studies to become > a physician and surgeon, which he had started back in England. Thomas > father was Dr. John Parnell and his brother at the time of his arrest was > also studying with Thomas to be in the medical profession. > > Thomas, at the time of his arrest, lied about his age, his name and his > profession to protect his family from the shame of his arrest, trial and > sentence of transportation for Life. In 1814, under the name of > "...Thomas Parnell, otherwise John Williams he was granted a Conditional > Pardon..." > > I am at the moment filling in the story of the voyage on the Ganges. My > brother in law's ggg grandfather was also a soldier on board this ship in > 1797. > > Regards, > Janice > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Annette Tollis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > > >> Hi Janice, I do not know for certain what month the Granges sailed but it >> would have been around the beginning of February as they were at sea for >> 5 >> months. Yes she sailed from Portsmouth. I have some more information on >> this ship that I could give you if you are interested as my husbands >> GreatGr. Gr. Grandfather came out on her as a soldier. >> >> Cheers Annette. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM >> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges >> >> >> Good morning Listers, >> >> I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , >> that >> the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? >> Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd >> June, 1797. Thank you. >> >> Regards, >> Janice > >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Hi Janice, From Charles Bateson's "The Convict Ships" The Arrivals, 1797-1800 Ganges, Arrived 2 June 1798, Ship 700ton, Master Thomas Patrickson, Surgeon James Mileham. Ganges was built in India, 1792 launched. The Ganges was one of the first convict ships inspected at Portsmouth by Sir James Fitzpatrick, the Home Department's surgeon-general. He ordered certain structural alterations, and placed aboard ventilators, water purifiers, fumigants and medicines. The Ganges embarked 203 men, but her master and part-owner, Thomas Patrickson, asked that her complement should be raised to 300. Fortunately, his request was refused, and as she was a ship of 700tons, she was not overcrowded when she sailed. Thirteen convicts died on the voyage, and many of the survivors were suffering from scurvy on arrival. Her surgeon, James Mileham, who was going out to join the Colonial Medical Establishment, probably was inexperienced in the management of a large body of men at sea, and if another 100 men had been embarked, it seems certain that the death toll in the Ganges would have been much heavier. Shipping Arrivals & Departures, Sydney by JS Clumston Ganges arrival 2/6/1797, From Ireland via Cape of Goodhope, Cargo Convicts; Det.NSW Corps. Beef & Pork. Departed August for China. So one has from Portsmouth and one Ireland. I think Portsmouth, is the correct one. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > Good morning Listers, > > I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , > that the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from > England? Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port > Jackson 2nd June, 1797. Thank you. > > Regards, > Janice > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >