Hello Carol, I don't have a connection to either of those names (as far as I know!) but wonder if you are subscribed to [email protected]? If not, I suggest that you may find it useful to do so and repost your message to that List. I presume you have already checked out Rootsweb for Mohr and Esses message boards, and that you have also checked those names on the IGI (www.familysearch.org)? Good luck in your research Elaine Shields (Aussie, now living in Ireland) Researching: Tulau, Helm, Frauenfelder, Rook, Saisell, Stevenson, Wright, Cox, Wisby, Lucas, Tower, Brandt