Hi, Lynne, You are brilliant and know soooo much ! Thank you for the information and please know that I think you are an expert!! Shall be writing to the list soon. (Woe: I still need help/ advice.) Best wishes, Carolyn in Bathurst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] RSVP - 150th anniv. Gottorp arrival this month. > Hi John, >>From State Records NSW > 1857 Sep 15 GOTTORP SHIP Page 086 1841_1866 > > http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1857/09/031got.htm > I think that the title has been transcribed incorrectly, if you look at > the > scan it has > A List of the Crew and Passengers, arrived in the Ship Gottorp, of > Oldenburgh, Burgfeldt Master, burthen 614 tons, from Port of Bremen, to > Sydney, New South Wales, 17 September, 1857. > > At Pambula near Bega > http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:1HiOTxW0nxwJ:thebegavalley.org.au/3595.html+SS+Gottorp,+1857&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=au > Shipboard Diary of 'Gottorp' May12-Sept 20, 1857, on which Philip +John > Behl > sailed to Australia Mr Nagorcka Z5.19.03 Local > > http://www.kirchneryoungtreeoflife.bndon.com/ships.htm > GOTTORP" > 1857 - NSW Samuel Friedrich Christian Kirchner, first wife, child > (born on voyage). > > http://www.kirchneryoungtreeoflife.bndon.com/kirchner/kirchner.htm > > > GOTTORP .. 10 1857 Botany Bay ... ... > JA9 > a.. JA9: German Immigrant Ships Arriving in the Colony of NSW from Hamburg > & > Bremen 1856/57 & 1857/59 - GOTTORP Ex Bremen May 1857 > a.. Journal Articles [JA] held by the Bundaberg LDS Family History Centre > in > Queensland: > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans/1999-02/0920083069 >> "GOTTORP" >> Departed from Bremen on 21st May 1857 and arrived at Sydney at Sydney on >> 15th October 1857 with 259 immigrants. The Bremen agents were Bischoff > and >> Co. and the Sydney agents were Kirchner and Co. The only recording of > the >> passengers was done by the Port Jackson Harbour Master, and then by > number >> only - 203 male adults, 35 female adults, 12 boys and 7 girls. > > That is all I can find on her. > Kind regards, > Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] RSVP - 150th anniv. Gottorp arrival this > month. > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 253 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hello, Many thanks for all this. I did have the diary already but particularly illuminating is the follow-up to the indication I had previously come across of somebody else looking, i.e. the: """ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara O'Neil" <bndoneil@cyber-net.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 12:41 AM Subject: Ship - GOTTORP/GOTTORF Anyone with information on a ship named GOTTORP (maybe that's incorrect & it may be GOTTORF?) or with information on the name KIRCHNER (from Kochendorf, Wurttemberg) please contact me direct at bndoneil@cyber-net.com.au Barbara in Australia """ Your URLs show what Barbara finally found and uploaded to the net. And in turn show exactly where Kochendorf is located. Her Herr Kirchner is from Kochendorf and my Steiner is from Steinberg. There are many Steinberg (Stone Mountain) names around, but one is in fact very close to Kochendorf and I am going to follow that up. So far, most of the FEW-traceable people who came on the Gottorp appear to have been from Wurttemberg part of Germany. It also seems a bit of a strange coincidence too how we can read the "Sydney agents were Kirchner and Co.", a Kirchner came on the voyage, and the immigration agent who is thought to have arranged it all was named Kirchner. And finally a ship named Kirchner came too to Sydney, not long after all this .. named after the immigration agent I rather suspect. I'll continue pondering and thanks for the help. Kind Regards, John Byrnes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 07:25 PM 9/9/07 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, Lynne, > >You are brilliant and know soooo much ! >Thank you for the information and please know that I think you are an >expert!! > >Shall be writing to the list soon. (Woe: I still need help/ advice.) > >Best wishes, > >Carolyn in Bathurst. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> >To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:50 PM >Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] RSVP - 150th anniv. Gottorp arrival this month. > > >> Hi John, >>>From State Records NSW >> 1857 Sep 15 GOTTORP SHIP Page 086 1841_1866 >> >> http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1857/09/031got.htm >> I think that the title has been transcribed incorrectly, if you look at >> the >> scan it has >> A List of the Crew and Passengers, arrived in the Ship Gottorp, of >> Oldenburgh, Burgfeldt Master, burthen 614 tons, from Port of Bremen, to >> Sydney, New South Wales, 17 September, 1857. >> >> At Pambula near Bega >> http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:1HiOTxW0nxwJ:thebegavalley.org.au/3595.h tml+SS+Gottorp,+1857&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=au >> Shipboard Diary of 'Gottorp' May12-Sept 20, 1857, on which Philip +John >> Behl >> sailed to Australia Mr Nagorcka Z5.19.03 Local >> >> http://www.kirchneryoungtreeoflife.bndon.com/ships.htm >> GOTTORP" >> 1857 - NSW Samuel Friedrich Christian Kirchner, first wife, child >> (born on voyage). >> >> http://www.kirchneryoungtreeoflife.bndon.com/kirchner/kirchner.htm >> >> >> GOTTORP .. 10 1857 Botany Bay ... ... >> JA9 >> a.. JA9: German Immigrant Ships Arriving in the Colony of NSW from Hamburg >> & >> Bremen 1856/57 & 1857/59 - GOTTORP Ex Bremen May 1857 >> a.. Journal Articles [JA] held by the Bundaberg LDS Family History Centre >> in >> Queensland: >> >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-QLD-SE-Germans/1999-02/0920083069 >>> "GOTTORP" >>> Departed from Bremen on 21st May 1857 and arrived at Sydney at Sydney on >>> 15th October 1857 with 259 immigrants. The Bremen agents were Bischoff >> and >>> Co. and the Sydney agents were Kirchner and Co. The only recording of >> the >>> passengers was done by the Port Jackson Harbour Master, and then by >> number >>> only - 203 male adults, 35 female adults, 12 boys and 7 girls. >> >> That is all I can find on her. >> Kind regards, >> Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John" <john.mail@ozemail.com.au> >> To: <AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] RSVP - 150th anniv. Gottorp arrival this >> month. >> >> > > > > > > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 253 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >