Hi Steve Found this from Emigrants from Hamburg by Qld FHS Hope it helps Gayle Sunny Mollymook Beach. Hamburg Passenger Lists Voorwaarts >From The Argus, Monday, February 6, 1860.QFHSdatasearch Version 1.8.0 by Queensland Family History Society Inc. >From [Emigrants from Hamburg to Australasia 1850-1879] database on 6/30/2007 ======================================================================= No : 107 Surname : HOFFMANN Given Names: Martin Town : Klosterhumbd State : Preussen Standing : Steinhauer Age : 23 Sex : m Destination: Melbourne Ship : Voorwaarts Year : 1859 ID : 14326 SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. -----------.------------ HOBSON'S BAY. ARRIVED. FEBRUARY 5. Voorwarrts, Dutch barque, 633 tons, E. L. Kerkstra, from Hamburg 5th October. Passengers-cabin : Dr. Merker, Mr. De Beer ; and 93 in the steerage. De Pass Brothers and Co., agents. ---------------------- VESSEL SPOKEN BY THE VOORWAARTS.-January 4, Pious, barque, from Sydney towards Mauritius, off Portland Bay. >From the Melbourner Deutsche Zeitung Friday 9 February 1860. ( D e u t s c h e E i n w a n d e r e r . ) Nicht ohne Besorgniss erfuhren wir, dass das Schiff V o r w ä r t s welches am 5ten in Hobson's Bay ankam, eine grosse Menge deutscher Einwanderer brachte, und dass darunter sich an 90 für Cornish & Bruce engagirte sogenannte Steinhauer befinden. Das Schicksal der vor ihnen Angekommenen ist nicht derart, um vor ihren Blicken eine heitere Aussicht in die Zukunft erscheinen zu lassen. Doch hoffen wir das Beste! The paper was expressing concern following the situation with the immigrants by the P. C. Kinch. Rough translation:- ( G e r m a n I m m i g r a n t s . ) It was not without anxiety that we learned that the ship V o r w ä r t s which arrived on the 5th in Hobson's Bay had brought a great crowd of German immigrants, including about 90 would-be stone masons hired for Cornish & Bruce. The fate of the arrivals is not such as to allow for their views of a cheerful future to be achieved. We hope for the best! Schiff V o r w ä r t s welches am 5ten in Hobson's Bay ankam, eine grosse Menge ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-immigration-ships-request@rootsweb.com> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 122 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Voorwart - Hoffman (Steve Osborne) > 2. Re: Voorwart - Hoffman (Carolyn and Darryl) > 3. Re: Voorwart - Hoffman (acpittard@optusnet.com.au) > 4. Re: Voorwart - Hoffman (Lisa Burton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:58:56 +1000 > From: Steve Osborne <sposborne@gmail.com> > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <46842110.6010602@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Good morning all, > Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne > 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. > I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but > can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, > sketches, photos, anything? > If not information then possible places to look? > > Regards > Steve O > in sunny Brisbane > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:39:44 +1000 > From: "Carolyn and Darryl" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002e01c7b9e5$fd3a6360$0300000a@acer86e9bf2e61> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, Steve and All, > > I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a Shipping > List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find > them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little > girls > with them and a baby "born at sea". > > Any clues as to how I could find them? > > Best wishes, > > Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > > >> Good morning all, >> Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne >> 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. >> I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but >> can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, >> sketches, photos, anything? >> If not information then possible places to look? >> >> Regards >> Steve O >> in sunny Brisbane > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:23:53 +1000 > From: acpittard@optusnet.com.au > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200706290423.l5T4NwOH015910@mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Caroline, Mine was a master mariner, he took his family to sea with > him & two of his sons were born off the China coast, but they were on the > lists. Have you tried googling <shephard > site:mariners.records.nsw.gov.au> ?? I think I gave you that one > already eh....mmmmm. Some of mine must've swum too. > Cheers. Anne from chilly sunny <cheering> Cairns, Aus. > > We just walked down to Edmonton to get the mail & investigate the > secondhand shop. Lovely walk in the sun!! > > > >> Carolyn and Darryl <dazwilson@bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, Steve and All, >> >> I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a >> Shipping >> List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find >> >> them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little >> girls >> with them and a baby "born at sea". >> >> Any clues as to how I could find them? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> >> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM >> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >> >> >> > Good morning all, >> > Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - >> Melbourne >> > 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. >> > I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list >> but >> > can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, >> > sketches, photos, anything? >> > If not information then possible places to look? >> > >> > Regards >> > Steve O >> > in sunny Brisbane >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:43:46 +1000 > From: "Lisa Burton" <burtonlisa61@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BAY106-F31445122C41ED93468BB2ECF080@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Steve > > Re. looking for an image of the ship, have you tried: > > http://www.photoship.co.uk/ > > or the German Maritime Museum website at: > > http://www.dsm.de/e2arcv.htm > > Also, I don't know what happened to Nick Vine Hall's "Ship Picture > Research > Service" after he passed away, but this is/was? an excellent > webpage/service > .... if it's still functioning. (I had real success with this service - my > query resulted in a photograph of my 'German ship of interest' being > located > in an American collection!) > > Re. news reports - Eric and Rosemary Kopittke's series, "Emigrants From > Hamburg to Australia 1857-59" includes the "Voorwaarts" and (some) > extracts > from papers of the day are usually included with each ship listed in these > volumes. > > As an aside, have you considered looking at alternate spellings for > 'Voorwaarts'? Owing to the German/Dutch pronunciation ie. 'f' for 'v', you > may find variations like 'Forwards', 'Forwortz', etc. > > Rgs > Lisa > Gladstone, Q > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29219&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_search&_m=EXT > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS list administrator, send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS mailing list, send an email > to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 122 > ***************************************************** >

Gayle This is fabulous stuff, thank you. The Hoffman line is on my wife's side and the Voorwart has been harder to track down than my own family who seem to have been plagued with disaster on the trips out. I have ancestors that arrived on the ill-fated La Rochelle and Wandrahm so it's nice to get some feel on the other side of the family. The entry specifically mentions stone-masons for Cornish & Bruce who appear to have built the railway to the Victorian Goldfields. This ties in with what the family recalls about Martin being a gold miner. He appears at Maryborough in Victoria during the goldrush and then in Lambing Flat in NSW during the rush there. Lots more digging here I fear. (pun intended :) Thanks again Cheers Steve O Gayle Stewart wrote: >Hi Steve >Found this from Emigrants from Hamburg by Qld FHS >Hope it helps >Gayle >Sunny Mollymook Beach. >Hamburg Passenger Lists > > > >Voorwaarts > >>From The Argus, Monday, February 6, 1860.QFHSdatasearch Version 1.8.0 by >Queensland Family History Society Inc. >>From [Emigrants from Hamburg to Australasia 1850-1879] database on 6/30/2007 >======================================================================= >No : 107 >Surname : HOFFMANN >Given Names: Martin >Town : Klosterhumbd >State : Preussen >Standing : Steinhauer >Age : 23 >Sex : m >Destination: Melbourne >Ship : Voorwaarts >Year : 1859 >ID : 14326 > > >SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. > >-----------.------------ > >HOBSON'S BAY. > >ARRIVED. > >FEBRUARY 5. > >Voorwarrts, Dutch barque, 633 tons, E. L. Kerkstra, from Hamburg 5th >October. > >Passengers-cabin : Dr. Merker, Mr. De Beer ; and 93 in the steerage. De Pass >Brothers > >and Co., agents. > >---------------------- > >VESSEL SPOKEN BY THE VOORWAARTS.-January 4, Pious, barque, from Sydney > >towards Mauritius, off Portland Bay. > >>From the Melbourner Deutsche Zeitung Friday 9 February 1860. > >( D e u t s c h e E i n w a n d e r e r . ) Nicht ohne Besorgniss erfuhren >wir, dass das > >Schiff V o r w ä r t s welches am 5ten in Hobson's Bay ankam, eine grosse >Menge > >deutscher Einwanderer brachte, und dass darunter sich an 90 für Cornish & >Bruce > >engagirte sogenannte Steinhauer befinden. Das Schicksal der vor ihnen >Angekommenen > >ist nicht derart, um vor ihren Blicken eine heitere Aussicht in die Zukunft >erscheinen zu > >lassen. Doch hoffen wir das Beste! > >The paper was expressing concern following the situation with the immigrants >by the P. C. > >Kinch. Rough translation:- > >( G e r m a n I m m i g r a n t s . ) It was not without anxiety that we >learned that > >the ship V o r w ä r t s which arrived on the 5th in Hobson's Bay had >brought a great > >crowd of German immigrants, including about 90 would-be stone masons hired >for > >Cornish & Bruce. The fate of the arrivals is not such as to allow for their >views of a > >cheerful future to be achieved. We hope for the best! > > > > > >Schiff V o r w ä r t s welches am 5ten in Hobson's Bay ankam, eine grosse >Menge > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <aus-immigration-ships-request@rootsweb.com> >To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:00 PM >Subject: AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 122 > > > > >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Voorwart - Hoffman (Steve Osborne) >> 2. Re: Voorwart - Hoffman (Carolyn and Darryl) >> 3. Re: Voorwart - Hoffman (acpittard@optusnet.com.au) >> 4. Re: Voorwart - Hoffman (Lisa Burton) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:58:56 +1000 >>From: Steve Osborne <sposborne@gmail.com> >>Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >>To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <46842110.6010602@gmail.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>Good morning all, >>Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne >>1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. >>I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but >>can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, >>sketches, photos, anything? >>If not information then possible places to look? >> >>Regards >>Steve O >>in sunny Brisbane >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:39:44 +1000 >>From: "Carolyn and Darryl" <dazwilson@bigpond.com> >>Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >>To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >>Message-ID: <002e01c7b9e5$fd3a6360$0300000a@acer86e9bf2e61> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>reply-type=original >> >>Hi, Steve and All, >> >>I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a Shipping >>List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find >>them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little >>girls >>with them and a baby "born at sea". >> >>Any clues as to how I could find them? >> >>Best wishes, >> >>Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> >>To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM >>Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >> >> >> >> >>>Good morning all, >>>Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne >>>1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. >>>I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but >>>can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, >>>sketches, photos, anything? >>>If not information then possible places to look? >>> >>>Regards >>>Steve O >>>in sunny Brisbane >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:23:53 +1000 >>From: acpittard@optusnet.com.au >>Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >>To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <200706290423.l5T4NwOH015910@mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au> >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >>Caroline, Mine was a master mariner, he took his family to sea with >>him & two of his sons were born off the China coast, but they were on the >>lists. Have you tried googling <shephard >>site:mariners.records.nsw.gov.au> ?? I think I gave you that one >>already eh....mmmmm. Some of mine must've swum too. >> Cheers. Anne from chilly sunny <cheering> Cairns, Aus. >> >> We just walked down to Edmonton to get the mail & investigate the >>secondhand shop. Lovely walk in the sun!! >> >> >> >> >> >>>Carolyn and Darryl <dazwilson@bigpond.com> wrote: >>> >>>Hi, Steve and All, >>> >>>I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a >>>Shipping >>>List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find >>> >>>them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little >>>girls >>>with them and a baby "born at sea". >>> >>>Any clues as to how I could find them? >>> >>>Best wishes, >>> >>>Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> >>>To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM >>>Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Good morning all, >>>>Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - >>>> >>>> >>>Melbourne >>> >>> >>>>1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. >>>>I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list >>>> >>>> >>>but >>> >>> >>>>can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, >>>>sketches, photos, anything? >>>>If not information then possible places to look? >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Steve O >>>>in sunny Brisbane >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:43:46 +1000 >>From: "Lisa Burton" <burtonlisa61@hotmail.com> >>Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >>To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <BAY106-F31445122C41ED93468BB2ECF080@phx.gbl> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> >>Steve >> >>Re. looking for an image of the ship, have you tried: >> >>http://www.photoship.co.uk/ >> >>or the German Maritime Museum website at: >> >>http://www.dsm.de/e2arcv.htm >> >>Also, I don't know what happened to Nick Vine Hall's "Ship Picture >>Research >>Service" after he passed away, but this is/was? an excellent >>webpage/service >>.... if it's still functioning. (I had real success with this service - my >>query resulted in a photograph of my 'German ship of interest' being >>located >>in an American collection!) >> >>Re. news reports - Eric and Rosemary Kopittke's series, "Emigrants From >>Hamburg to Australia 1857-59" includes the "Voorwaarts" and (some) >>extracts >>from papers of the day are usually included with each ship listed in these >>volumes. >> >>As an aside, have you considered looking at alternate spellings for >>'Voorwaarts'? Owing to the German/Dutch pronunciation ie. 'f' for 'v', you >>may find variations like 'Forwards', 'Forwortz', etc. >> >>Rgs >>Lisa >>Gladstone, Q >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife >>http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29219&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_search&_m=EXT >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>To contact the AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS list administrator, send an email to >>AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >>To post a message to the AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS mailing list, send an email >>to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com. >> >>__________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of the >>email with no additional text. >> >> >>End of AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 122 >>***************************************************** >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >