Hi Steve, The following from PRO Victorian http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm Family Name First Name Age Month Year HOFFMANN M 23 FEB 1860 Ship Port Fiche Page VOORWARTS F 070 005 Try a larger library in Qld and see if they hold these Microfiche or film. You should be able to get more details from this. VOORWART ship - from Hamburg to Melbourne [Feb 5] 1860 Also I saw another entry for a M Hoffman on the same site HOFFMAN M B CAPT - JUN 1854 NIEUW LEKKERLAND B 069 001 Kind regards, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. > Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne > 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. > I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but > can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, > sketches, photos, anything? > If not information then possible places to look? >

Hi, Anne, I expect you have heard my :Family Stories.! (Re: George and Charlotte) <g> Thank you so much for that site. I shall try in the morning, when my brain might be more acute. When George SHEPHARD was in Bathurst/Rockley, he was a farmer. Heaven knows from where he actually came, seeing that his DC says he was b. Yorkshire(to a James and a Sarah WINTERBOTTAM.) Cannot find either of them, although I have Ancestry Census! Maybe he was illegitimate? If I ever get to the bottom <bg> of this family I shall be eternally grateful ! to me or anyone who can help me ! I am not 'lazy', but can't leave the house at present. Best wishes, Carolyn. Bathurst. We just went to visit the family member who told us all this! Lovely visit and a few 'fish' offered, but he didn't take the bait! ----- Original Message ----- From: <acpittard@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > Caroline, Mine was a master mariner, he took his family to sea with > him & two of his sons were born off the China coast, but they were on the > lists. Have you tried googling <shephard > site:mariners.records.nsw.gov.au> ?? I think I gave you that one > already eh....mmmmm. Some of mine must've swum too. > Cheers. Anne from chilly sunny <cheering> Cairns, Aus. > > We just walked down to Edmonton to get the mail & investigate the > secondhand shop. Lovely walk in the sun!! > > > >> Carolyn and Darryl <dazwilson@bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, Steve and All, >> >> I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a >> Shipping >> List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find >> >> them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little >> girls >> with them and a baby "born at sea". >> >> Any clues as to how I could find them? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> >> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM >> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman >> >> >> > Good morning all, >> > Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - >> Melbourne >> > 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. >> > I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list >> but >> > can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, >> > sketches, photos, anything? >> > If not information then possible places to look? >> > >> > Regards >> > Steve O >> > in sunny Brisbane >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.12/878 - Release Date: 28/06/2007 > 17:57 >

Lisa Many thanks. >>http://www.photoship.co.uk/ What an excellent site this is! There are in fact 2 Voorwaarts listed but neither could be the one I am looking for. Both are steamers and look like cargo transports. The Voorwart I found listed carried many passengers. >>Eric and Rosemary Kopittke's series, "Emigrants From Hamburg to Australia 1857-59" includes the "Voorwaarts" Is any of this available online that anyone knows of? I have seen extracts from their books before and have found ancestors in them. A trip to the library won't hurt me anyway. >>Owing to the German/Dutch pronunciation ie. 'f' for 'v', you may find variations like 'Forwards', 'Forwortz', etc. Thanks again. I hadn't considered that. I will widen my search Cheers Steve O in blustery chilly Brisbane

Steve Re. looking for an image of the ship, have you tried: http://www.photoship.co.uk/ or the German Maritime Museum website at: http://www.dsm.de/e2arcv.htm Also, I don't know what happened to Nick Vine Hall's "Ship Picture Research Service" after he passed away, but this is/was? an excellent webpage/service .... if it's still functioning. (I had real success with this service - my query resulted in a photograph of my 'German ship of interest' being located in an American collection!) Re. news reports - Eric and Rosemary Kopittke's series, "Emigrants From Hamburg to Australia 1857-59" includes the "Voorwaarts" and (some) extracts from papers of the day are usually included with each ship listed in these volumes. As an aside, have you considered looking at alternate spellings for 'Voorwaarts'? Owing to the German/Dutch pronunciation ie. 'f' for 'v', you may find variations like 'Forwards', 'Forwortz', etc. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29219&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_search&_m=EXT

Caroline, Mine was a master mariner, he took his family to sea with him & two of his sons were born off the China coast, but they were on the lists. Have you tried googling <shephard site:mariners.records.nsw.gov.au> ?? I think I gave you that one already eh....mmmmm. Some of mine must've swum too. Cheers. Anne from chilly sunny <cheering> Cairns, Aus. We just walked down to Edmonton to get the mail & investigate the secondhand shop. Lovely walk in the sun!! > Carolyn and Darryl <dazwilson@bigpond.com> wrote: > > Hi, Steve and All, > > I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a > Shipping > List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find > > them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little > girls > with them and a baby "born at sea". > > Any clues as to how I could find them? > > Best wishes, > > Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > > > > Good morning all, > > Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - > Melbourne > > 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. > > I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list > but > > can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, > > sketches, photos, anything? > > If not information then possible places to look? > > > > Regards > > Steve O > > in sunny Brisbane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Steve and All, I envy you in that you have been able to find someone listed on a Shipping List. My SHEPHARDs must have been stowaways, I think, because I can find them nowhere and they couldn't have swum, because there were 2 little girls with them and a baby "born at sea". Any clues as to how I could find them? Best wishes, Carolyn in sunny (thank Heavens this morning), Bathurst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Osborne" <sposborne@gmail.com> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:58 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Voorwart - Hoffman > Good morning all, > Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne > 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. > I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but > can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, > sketches, photos, anything? > If not information then possible places to look? > > Regards > Steve O > in sunny Brisbane

Good morning all, Does anyone have any information about the Voorwart (Hamburg - Melbourne 1859/60)? I am researching Martin Hoffman arriving on this ship. I have the record from blaxland.com/ozships with the passenger list but can find no other reference to this ship. Trip records, news reports, sketches, photos, anything? If not information then possible places to look? Regards Steve O in sunny Brisbane

G'day Sue, There were actually a lot of COEs when I loooked at the website, but this one was the one that stood out in relation to the information you gave. You can actually look at scans of the passenger list for the ship that Archie R COE came out on, but you will need to register at www.findmypast.com (which is free) and then buy units or a subscription to view either a transcript of the passenger list or the actual scanned image of the page of the passenger list he appears on. IK think a transcript costs 3 units and an image costs 10 units. You can do a search for free (eg for anyone with a surname of COE) and it will give you a list of the names of passengers with that surname, their port of departure, their port of arrival, and their age. You can then select to view a transcript or image (if you have bought units and are logged in). This will give you details of the ship, dates of departure and arrival, and normally more details about the passenger. I hope this helps you Sue. Good luck with it. Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry, Sue Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2007 6:56 PM To: 'aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Archer Robert Coe Hi Paul Wow what a find. It could very well be him as Coe is an unusual surname and Archer/Archie too is unusual. I have only been researching now for just over a year and this is my first relative who immigrated. Can you suggest what I can do now to find out more i.e. what ship he arrived on etc. Kind regards. Sue -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Crewe Sent: 26 June 2007 22:23 To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Archer Robert Coe G'day Sue, On www.findmypast.com (Passengers leaving GB between 1890 and 1919), there is an Archie R Coe aged 22 coming to Sydney in 1913. Maybe that's him? Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry, Sue Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2007 8:14 PM To: 'AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com' Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Archer Robert Coe Hi there everybody, This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert COE was born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in England in the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he went on, did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. Thanks for any help you can give me. Regards Sue ********************************************************************* The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated otherwise.. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I'm looking for a passenger list for ships England to Australia in the period 1905-1915, particularly the name HUBBARD. I believe this family arrived as unassisted passengers. Regards Doug and Jane Hinton Canberra

Hi Paul Wow what a find. It could very well be him as Coe is an unusual surname and Archer/Archie too is unusual. I have only been researching now for just over a year and this is my first relative who immigrated. Can you suggest what I can do now to find out more i.e. what ship he arrived on etc. Kind regards. Sue -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Crewe Sent: 26 June 2007 22:23 To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Archer Robert Coe G'day Sue, On www.findmypast.com (Passengers leaving GB between 1890 and 1919), there is an Archie R Coe aged 22 coming to Sydney in 1913. Maybe that's him? Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry, Sue Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2007 8:14 PM To: 'AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com' Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Archer Robert Coe Hi there everybody, This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert COE was born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in England in the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he went on, did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. Thanks for any help you can give me. Regards Sue ********************************************************************* The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated otherwise.. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Sue, On www.findmypast.com (Passengers leaving GB between 1890 and 1919), there is an Archie R Coe aged 22 coming to Sydney in 1913. Maybe that's him? Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry, Sue Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2007 8:14 PM To: 'AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS@rootsweb.com' Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Archer Robert Coe Hi there everybody, This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert COE was born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in England in the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he went on, did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. Thanks for any help you can give me. Regards Sue ********************************************************************* The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated otherwise.. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although the 1901 Census gives his parents names as William and Emma so I'm not sure my information helps any. On 26/06/2007, at 8:09 PM, Terry, Sue wrote: > Hi there everybody, > > This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert > COE was > born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to > Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in > England in > the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he > went on, > did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. > > Thanks for any help you can give me. > > Regards > > Sue > > > ********************************************************************* > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. > Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions > expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not > of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated > otherwise.. > ********************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS- > IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An Archer Robert Coe died in 1962 in AUBURN, NSW - registration on birth, deaths and marriages # 24540. His father is given as Archer W A and mother as Concord. An Archer R Coe married Florence E Tupper in 1916 in St Leonards, NSW. Registration # 3599 I guess that would put his arrival in Australia sometime between 1901 and 1916. Hope this helps some. Jane On 26/06/2007, at 8:09 PM, Terry, Sue wrote: > Hi there everybody, > > This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert > COE was > born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to > Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in > England in > the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he > went on, > did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. > > Thanks for any help you can give me. > > Regards > > Sue > > > ********************************************************************* > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. > Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions > expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not > of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated > otherwise.. > ********************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS- > IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Lynne, What a kind thought! Thank you very much. Now I need to work out who belongs to whom ! Yesterday I sent for 5 certificates: Charlotte's DC and 4 of the childrens' BCs. Alas, 2 weeks to wait in mystification! Have also found some of our SHEPHERD (also spelt as SHEPHARD), JONES, PUSILL and ASIMUS ancestors on the 1870-71 Electoral Roll, 1867-8 N.S.W. National Directory, Sands Directory 1903 and Greville's P.O. Directory 1875-6. Determined to 'get there', with help from lots of kind people like yourself. Best wishes, Carolyn. Bathurst. P.S. Was it you who sent me those other births? So sorry, I missed seeing them until I was about to <snip> my email! Oh, gosh, if they had all those other children then I don't think they can be "my" George and Charlotte. Shall put on my thinking cap.

Hi there everybody, This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert COE was born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in England in the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he went on, did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. Thanks for any help you can give me. Regards Sue ********************************************************************* The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated otherwise.. **********************************************************************

Hi there everybody, This is my first posting, so please bear with me. Archer Robert COE was born in 1890 in Deptford, London. All I know is that he emmigrated to Australia some time after 1901 as he is still living at home in England in the 1901 census. I would love to know where he went, which ship he went on, did he marry, where he lived etc. etc. Thanks for any help you can give me. Regards Sue ********************************************************************* The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee. Unauthorised access and use is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not of the Crest Nicholson Group, unless specifically stated otherwise.. **********************************************************************

Hi Carolyn, You may already have these burials for Bathurst SHEPHARD ELLEN 1960 80 6758 SHEPHARD ISAAC 1969 74 6759 SHEPHARD MARY ELLA 1968 63 6760 SHEPHARD THOMAS 1943 66 6761 SHEPHERD EDGAR A 1932 48 6762 SHEPHERD GEORGE 1912 83 6763 SHEPHERD JAMES 1877 84 6764 SHEPHERD JAMES 1895 39 6765 SHEPHERD MARION 1894 11 6766 SHEPHERD MARY ANN 1872 15MTHS 6767 SHEPHERD MARY ANN 1890 53 6768 SHEPHERD SYDNEY HERBERT 1876 14DAYS 6769 SHEPHERD THOMAS EDWARD 1913 45 6770 SHEPHERD THOMAS HILL 1937 84 6771 SHEPPARD MURIEL JOYCE 1959 38 6772 Landholders Bathurst Summer Hill Rockley Shephard Charlotte, Mrs Bathurst Box Ridge Common Box Ridge Shepherd F. Bathurst O'Brien's Creek Rockley Shepherd James > > Am about to apply for some of those Birth Certificates. > > Hannah Elizabeth's Headstone in Rockley Cemetery says that she died on 2 > Apr, 1936, aged 84. (She married Carl ASIMUS who was the 'acting > undertaker' > at George SHEPHARD's burial on 9 Mar, 1879 at Jumper's Flat: wherever that > is?) > > That would put her birthdate as 1852. > > Found a marriage on the IGI this morning - an Extracted Entry - of a > George > SHEPHERD to a Charlotte WILLIS, 29 May, 1852, Claines, Worcester. Free BMD has Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barnard John Droitwich 6c 463 Shepherd George Droitwich 6c 463 Walker Eliza Droitwich 6c 463 Willis Charlotte Droitwich 6c 463 Droitwich also spans the counties of Hereford, Worcester and Worcestershire > Ledbury is Hereford and Worcester. > > Then checked the 1851 Census and found, at St Martin, Worcestershire a > Charlotte WILLIS, dressmaker aged 29 with her widowed mother, Charlotte, > 62 > and 3 Lodgers, one an unmarried George SHEPPARD aged 26. BirthsDEC 1853 SHEPHERD George Willis Droitwich 6c 315 > (Too much to hope for?) That would make George b. abt 1825, which is 4 > years > out from his DC. > > The plot thickens................<g> Little by Little your brick wall will fall! Kind regards, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA.

Hi, Lynne, I am very grateful for all this, especially for the Greville's Directory information. Am about to apply for some of those Birth Certificates. Hannah Elizabeth's Headstone in Rockley Cemetery says that she died on 2 Apr, 1936, aged 84. (She married Carl ASIMUS who was the 'acting undertaker' at George SHEPHARD's burial on 9 Mar, 1879 at Jumper's Flat: wherever that is?) That would put her birthdate as 1852. Found a marriage on the IGI this morning - an Extracted Entry - of a George SHEPHERD to a Charlotte WILLIS, 29 May, 1852, Claines, Worcester. Ledbury is Hereford and Worcester. Then checked the 1851 Census and found, at St Martin, Worcestershire a Charlotte WILLIS, dressmaker aged 29 with her widowed mother, Charlotte, 62 and 3 Lodgers, one an unmarried George SHEPPARD aged 26. (Too much to hope for?) That would make George b. abt 1825, which is 4 years out from his DC. The plot thickens................<g> So thankful for some help. One feels very alone with no-one else's input. except skewiff 'facts' ! Best wishes, Carolyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] NAMES OF SHIPS ARRIVING ABT 1859 > Hi Carolyn, > FreeBDM has http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > Births Mar 1855 (>99%) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Shephard Hannah Elizabeth Ledbury 6a 406

Hi, Jann, Thank you very much for your help. (Much needed and so welcome!) I have read it: some years ago now, though. Makes me wonder was it for sale when George SHEPHARD and Charlotte came to Rockley (and why Rockley, of all places? !!) Plus per Lynne's wonderful message (I'm in the midst of writing a reply, Lynne when Jann's email came in), George SHEPPARD is listed in Greville's Directory of N.S.W. in 1872 as being a farmer at Wallaby Joe's Creek. I have George's DC of 1879 (he was buried at Wallaby Joe's Creek, wherever that is, by his son-in-law, Carl ASIMUS, "acting undertaker" and the witnesses were John NIGHTINGALE and Dominic ENGLISH ) and by 1885 Mrs Charlotte SHEPHARD and their son James are listed as Bathurst Landholders at "Summerhill" and "Wallaby Joe's Creek", or was it "Mountain Run" (?) Rockley. There is also a mysterious F. SHEPHERD, whom I can't work out. Plenty more information from this end........................... I so much appreciate the help, though. I am coming to the conclusion that the old saying is so true in the matter: "What a web of lies we weave, when first we practise to deceive." (not an accurate quote, but you get the gist.) Best wishes, Grateful Carolyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jann Parkes" <jann_parkes@netspace.net.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] NAMES OF SHIPS ARRIVING ABT 1859

HI Carolyn, The book, ' The Rockley Manner', lists has 5+pages on the 'Summerhill' property - Portion 98, Pariah of Rockley County of Giorgiana, 1500 acres, granted to "Lieutenant Hunbury Clements' in 1830. It states that he died in 1847, his wife died in 1880. It might be worth checking for any interesting info. Regards Jann -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn and Darryl Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2007 5:59 PM To: aus-immigration-ships Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] NAMES OF SHIPS ARRIVING ABT 1859 Greetings, First posting to the List, so please excuse lack of knowledge and confusion. Ancestors named SHEPHARD (SHEPPARD / SHEPHERD) arrived in Australia (more than likely Sydney) in about 1859. They were George and Charlotte. Family story goes that George and Charlotte were married in England, sold everything and bought a ship in which they sailed to Australia with 2 little daughters, Hannah Elizabeth and Sarah Ann and baby Mary Jane was born at sea, supposedly in "abt 1860." They then sold the ship and bought a bullock and dray and travelled across the Blue Mountains to Rockley near Bathurst N.S.W. where they stayed and had a further 7 children from 1862. A researcher checked the 'supposed' marriage on 17 Apr, 1854, Derbyshire UK, but it certainly couldn't be found. (Family member's information.) 2 unnamed daughters were born at Bathurst in 1859 and 1861(to a George and Charlotte SHEPPARD), (Source: N.S.W. BMD). There is also a birth of a George SHEPHARD in Sydney in 1859 with just the mother's name of Charlotte. There is loads more...........................(for another posting.) I have tried every available source to find the possible name of the ship or a ship listing them as passengers, to no avail. Would anyone know where on earth I could look? When George came to Bathurst, he was a farmer. After he died in 1879, Charlotte is listed as a Landholder of over 1,300 acres at "Summerhill", Rockley in 1885. She died in 1916. As well, what would be the route of such a ship? Could they have stopped off somewhere and have been included in a Census (foreign)? Kind regards, Carolyn. Bathurst. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message