.... .. ..Lynne, thank you so much for that information. I will follow up the New Zealand link, but I don't recall any mention of Alice going to NZ. But these mystries need to be unravelled don't they? Gwen

Hi Gwen, The ship Jumna, made several voyages from London to Queensland. In 1900 JUMNA 24 05 1900 Mackay .... .. .. .... Pl M1709 (ima 10/1) .... .... .... .... .... .... JUMNA S.S 25 05 1900 .... .... .. .. .... Pl M1708 (imm/A/150) .... .... .... .... .... .... JUMNA S.S 27 05 1900 Maryborough .... .. .. .... AL M471 (ima 3/9) [IA] Maryborough depot: Lists of immigrants arriving JUMNA 29 05 1900 Townsville .... .. .. .... AL M473 (imm/145) [IA] Townsville depot: Lists of Immigrants arriving JUMNA 29 05 1900 Brisbane London 31 03 1900 Pl M1706 (imm/127 Found this listing of someone researching - HOPKINS Kaikoura NZ Contact: Sherrilyn Aldridge at ALDRIDGES@xtra.co.nz Jumna, Built 1886, British India / Qld RM Line, 5197 ton (5191t), 1907 scrapped in Italy fromhttp ://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipik.htm JUMNA The "Jumna" was a 5,197 gross ton ship built by Wm.Denny, Dumbarton for British India Associated Steamers Ltd in 1886. She was a single funnelled, two masted, brigantine rigged vessel with a single screw and a speed of 12 knots. She had berths for 49-1st class passengers as well as a considerable number of steerage class. She commenced her maiden voyage on 21/9/1886 when she sailed from London via Suez to Batavia and Brisbane and made her last sailing on 24/10/1902. The company was wound up in 1903 and ownership of the "Jumna" passed to British India Steam Navigation Co.Ltd. I have no record of her career after this time but she was broken up in 1907. [North Star to Southern Cross by John M.Maber] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 6 December 1997 I would assume that Alice, would have travelled via another ship to New Zealand, from Queensland. Kind regards, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Burrows" <gbu07272@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > > > Lynn, You seem to have incredible knowledge of shipping, so I'm wondering > if > you can point me in the right direction. My grandmother Alice Hopkins came > out as an assisted migrant in 1900, and I think I have found her > travelling > to Sydney on the Jumna. However she went on to Cooktown, so the family > tell, > and I was wondering how one travelled that far north in those days. Would > she have sailed to Brisbane and then caught another ship to Cooktown? And > where would these records be held ? Hoping you can help. Gwen in Buderim

Thanks, Robyn, but I looked there a long time ago and have just checked again. Nothing! I'm puzzled Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-immigration-ships-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Gross Sent: Friday, 31 August 2007 9:59 AM To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] 1918 to 1922 Immigration hris, These records should be avalble at the National Archives of Australia website. www.naa.gov.au good luck Robyn in Wodonga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ward" <ceejay@internode.on.net> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] 1918 to 1922 Immigration > G'day List, > > Being encouraged by the information that Lynne has provided to others I am > encouraged to ask a question that for years I have believed could only be > answered by a massive time consuming search. > > Sometime towards the end of the Great War but prior 21st August, 1922 a > widow Ruth JONES nee MIDDLETON (born in Kent in 1883) and her daughter > Dorothy Julia JONES (born in London in 1907) arrived in Australia. I'm > assuming they arrived in Sydney although Ruth had another child in Mannum, > South Australia in 1922. Ruth's occupation had been as a cook & I have not > ruled out the possibility that she may have worked her passage if that could > be done in those days. I don't believe there were any friends or relatives > in Australia to sponsor them & I am of the opinion that finances would have > been quite stretched for a single mother in those times. > > Is it possible to find these people in immigration records or from > immigration agents' records? > > Regards > Chris in Adelaide > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hris, These records should be avalble at the National Archives of Australia website. www.naa.gov.au good luck Robyn in Wodonga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ward" <ceejay@internode.on.net> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] 1918 to 1922 Immigration > G'day List, > > Being encouraged by the information that Lynne has provided to others I am > encouraged to ask a question that for years I have believed could only be > answered by a massive time consuming search. > > Sometime towards the end of the Great War but prior 21st August, 1922 a > widow Ruth JONES nee MIDDLETON (born in Kent in 1883) and her daughter > Dorothy Julia JONES (born in London in 1907) arrived in Australia. I'm > assuming they arrived in Sydney although Ruth had another child in Mannum, > South Australia in 1922. Ruth's occupation had been as a cook & I have not > ruled out the possibility that she may have worked her passage if that could > be done in those days. I don't believe there were any friends or relatives > in Australia to sponsor them & I am of the opinion that finances would have > been quite stretched for a single mother in those times. > > Is it possible to find these people in immigration records or from > immigration agents' records? > > Regards > Chris in Adelaide > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gwen, according to Find My Past Alice Hopkins age 21 yrs left London 22nd Sept 1900 on "Jumna" and it travelled to Brisbane. Would you like the image for your records? The State Archives at Runcorn would be the place to ask for details of her travel to Cooktown. http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/ You could put the question to them by email. best wishes Ann in Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen Burrows" <gbu07272@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > > > Lynn, You seem to have incredible knowledge of shipping, so I'm wondering > if > you can point me in the right direction. My grandmother Alice Hopkins came > out as an assisted migrant in 1900, and I think I have found her > travelling > to Sydney on the Jumna. However she went on to Cooktown, so the family > tell, > and I was wondering how one travelled that far north in those days. Would > she have sailed to Brisbane and then caught another ship to Cooktown? And > where would these records be held ? Hoping you can help. Gwen in Buderim >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: >> 28/08/2007 4:29 PM >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gary, Same details for ship as replied to Susan. Log of Logs Vol.1, By Ian Nicholson has Guildford 1827 Left London - Plymouth, 31/3 - Teneriffe- Sydney, 25/7, with 189 male prisoners. + anonymous diary, 1827, NL, Canberra, MS 7565 + surgeons journals, 1827-1829, AJCP PRO reels 3196-7 Charles Bates, The Convict Ships. from Chapter 10 Following the 6th voyage,and the Guildford's return to England ownership passed to James Mangles & Marcus Johnson. She was thoroughly repaired, registered anew, described as carvel-built and square-rigged, with a standing bow-spirit. Her depth was reduced by 2", to 5' 8" , her dimension remained the same and she retained her square stern, quarter galleries and shield bust figure. Her registration tonnage, was increased from 521 51/94 to 553 62/94 tons. When she next reached Port Jackson, in 1827, it was reported that twenty thousand pounds had been spent on her and as she obtained a charter from the East India company, fulfilling the company's requirements of a dry-dock survey, it is evident that she had received a very thorough overhaul. Her last voyage from Dublin to Port Jackson arriving 4 Nov 1829. Early the following year she sailed from Hobart with a detachment of troops for India, arriving at Bombay 14 April 1830. Harrison then took her out to Singapore, from which port she sailed for England. She was never heard of again, presumed foundered. 1827, Guildford, embarked 190 male prisoners, 1 death, landed 189 male prisoners at Sydney Guildford Arrival date 25 July 1827, 7th voyage, 533tons built at the Thames 1810, Master Magnus Johnson, Surgeon Chas. Linton, sailed 31/3/1827 Other details re 1827 voyage, from The Convict Ships "Johnson was a prudent and conscientious master, and he treated the convicts humanely. Various charges were brought against him by Surgeon Charles Linton after the Guildford's arrival at Port Jackson in 1827, but Linton was piqued by Johnson having failed to consult him when an informer had disclosed an alleged plot at mutiny, and there seems no doubt that the charges were groundless. In an affidavit, the commander of the guard, Captain J. D. Forbes, of the 39th Regiment, declared: "During the greater part of the voyage the prisoners were, with very exceptions, out of irons, and, whenever the weather permitted, on deck far more, indeed, than appeared to me either consistent with prudence or warranted by necessity, and generally the whole of them (190) at once". In another affidavit, the third mate, George Lynch Cotton, disclosed that he had been appointed by Johnson to assist Linton and had been relieved "from every other duty relative to the ship" Kind regards, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary and Donna Parker" <garyndonna@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1827 > Lynne, > Thank you for that information in so much detail. It is great. My > convict, Joseph Greenhalgh came out on the Guildford in 1827. Would you > have specific information on that voyage at all? > > Gary > Gary & Donna Parker > PO Box 89 > Albany Creek Qld 4035 > Australia > pH 07 3862 8767 > > garyndonna@hotmail.com > > 1827 Plymouth to Sydney 116 days > > The Guildford had the same master for its first seven voyages, Magnus > JOHNSON. Robert HARRISON was her master on her eighth voyage. "Johnson > was > a prudent and conscientious master, and he treated the convicts humanely" > (Bateson, 1983, p.232). > >From http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm > GUILDFORD - 1825 > > (Green Book - Underwriters) > Master: Captain N. Johnson > Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822 > Tonnage: 521 tons > Construction: River; vessel 15 years old; major repairs in 1819 > Owners: Mangles > Draught under load: 18 feet > Port of survey: London > Voyage: sailed for New South Wales > > (Red Book - Shipowners) > Master: Captain Johnston > Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822; copper repaired in > 1825 > Tonnage: 528 tons > Construction: 1810 in River; major repairs in 1819; new sales, top > sides, > deck & major repairs in 1825 > Owners: Mangles > Draught under load: 18 feet > Port of survey: London > Voyage: sailed for a) New South Wales; b) India >

G'day List, Being encouraged by the information that Lynne has provided to others I am encouraged to ask a question that for years I have believed could only be answered by a massive time consuming search. Sometime towards the end of the Great War but prior 21st August, 1922 a widow Ruth JONES nee MIDDLETON (born in Kent in 1883) and her daughter Dorothy Julia JONES (born in London in 1907) arrived in Australia. I'm assuming they arrived in Sydney although Ruth had another child in Mannum, South Australia in 1922. Ruth's occupation had been as a cook & I have not ruled out the possibility that she may have worked her passage if that could be done in those days. I don't believe there were any friends or relatives in Australia to sponsor them & I am of the opinion that finances would have been quite stretched for a single mother in those times. Is it possible to find these people in immigration records or from immigration agents' records? Regards Chris in Adelaide

Hi listers Thanks to Marilyn & Lynne for their information. I now know that C.G.L.S. stands for commonwealth Government Liner Service. Will keep on searching. Regards Tony >> >> I am trying to find out about the husband and father of two people >> (mother >> & daughter) who arrived in Sydney on the "Largs Bay" on 19 June 1922. >> >> They are listed in the "findmypast" immigration records as Mrs G O M >> Barnes, age 28 and E V Barnes, age 4, last England address 80 Engadine >> Street, Southfield, London. >> >> The equivalent information (and nothing more) is shown on the New South >> Wales immigration record. >> >> On the New South Wales record, the Immigration Agent is identified only >> as >> C.G.L.S. >> >> Does anyone know what these initials stand for and are any of their >> records available? >> >> Mrs G O M Barnes was actually Gladys Olive May Saunders (parents >> identified) and E V Barnes was her daughter Evangeline Valerie. >> >> So far cannot find Evangleine by searching in Free BDM. >> >> Family lore is that they adopted the surname Barnes during WW1, as the >> father's real name was "European". >> >> Later Australian records refer to him as Damien Barnes, importer. >> >> I have a few theories about who he was, but no concrete evidence. >> >> Any information greatly appreciated. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lynne, Thank you for that information in so much detail. It is great. My convict, Joseph Greenhalgh came out on the Guildford in 1827. Would you have specific information on that voyage at all? Gary Gary & Donna Parker PO Box 89 Albany Creek Qld 4035 Australia pH 07 3862 8767 garyndonna@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynne Radford To: aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 Hi Susan, The Guildford was a ship of 521 tons built at the Thames in 1810. The Guildford was one of the best known convict ships ... In eight voyages as a convict ship the Guildford conveyed over 1,500 male prisoners to Australia for the loss of about a dozen men on the passage, the record of her passages being as follows: 1812 London to Port Jackson 137 days 1816 Ireland to Sydney not recorded 1818 Cork to Sydney 138 days 1820 Portsmouth to Sydney 139 days 1822 London to Sydney 99 days 1824 England to Sydney 190 days 1827 Plymouth to Sydney 116 days 1829 Dublin to Sydney 115 days The Guildford had the same master for its first seven voyages, Magnus JOHNSON. Robert HARRISON was her master on her eighth voyage. "Johnson was a prudent and conscientious master, and he treated the convicts humanely" (Bateson, 1983, p.232). On her fourth voyage, the Guildford sailed from Portsmouth on 14 May 1820, passing via the Cape to Sydney, where she arrived on 30 September 1820, and then on to Hobart where she arrived on 28 October 1820, 167 days after leaving Portsmouth. Her surgeon on this voyage was Hugh WALKER. She carried 190 male convicts, of which one was landed at Sydney and the remaining 189 were landed at Hobart Town. Log of Logs, Vol. 1. by Ian Nicholson Guidford, E.I. Co ship/Ct, 521t 1823-1824 >From Lon.-Plymouth, 31/3 - Ten. - Sydney, 25/7 with 189 male prisoners +account of voyage out by Lady Amelia Forbes * Mitchell Library, MSS943 >From net Search, Researcher of Guilford (6) 1824, vicval@overflow.net.au >From http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm GUILDFORD - 1825 (Green Book - Underwriters) Master: Captain N. Johnson Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822 Tonnage: 521 tons Construction: River; vessel 15 years old; major repairs in 1819 Owners: Mangles Draught under load: 18 feet Port of survey: London Voyage: sailed for New South Wales (Red Book - Shipowners) Master: Captain Johnston Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822; copper repaired in 1825 Tonnage: 528 tons Construction: 1810 in River; major repairs in 1819; new Wales, top sides, deck & major repairs in 1825 Owners: Mangles Draught under load: 18 feet Port of survey: London Voyage: sailed for a) New South Wales; b) India State Records NSW http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_convict_arrivals_7075.asp 4/4009] Bound Indents, 1823-24 650 Table of Contents pp 1-102 Recovery, 1823-Mary III, 1823 651 pp 103-202 Albion, 1823-Guildford, 1824 also http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_musters_and_other_papers_7081.asp http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/stories.html >From http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ arrival: ship Guildford Convict vessel Source Master: Magnus Johnson grk, ad1 Rigging: ship grk, ad1 Weight: 521 grk, ad1 Origin: 28th Aug 1823 Portsmouth grk, ad1 Destination: 5th Mar 1824 Sydney grk, ad1 Date Event/Item Details Source primary source AO 2/8261p437 [2422] cargo stores grk, ad1 via Derwent Passengers arriving at Sydney Name Notes Type Source 159 m cnv convict detachment 40th Regt State Records NSW http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/ Has the following Convict Pardons HANSLOW Benjamin - Guildford 1824 0793 CP 31 Dec 1836 [4/4435] 776 - 063 Index to Tickets of exemption from Government Labor 1827-1832 HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 30/143 30/6/1830 4/4284, 4/4061 1004, 1006 to reside with his wife Catherine (born in the Colony) HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 31/5 3/1/1831 4/4284, 4/4062 1004, 1006 to reside with his wife C Hanslow (born in the Colony) HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 32/11 2/1/1832 4/4285, 4/4062 1005, 1006 to reside with his wife C Hanslow (born in the Colony); torn up on his receiving a ticket of leave (no.33/636) Hope this may help Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Lamberton" <susanlamberton@gmail.com> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > Hi all, > Asking please if you know details for Benjamin > Hanlsow who arrived aboard "Guildford" 1824 that > you contact me to swap notes and photos. > Would you have the indent list for "Guildford"? > Anyone have a description of the vessel or tell > me where I can find it, a picture maybe? > Kind regards, > Susan > Central Coast > NSW. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 25/08/2007 5:00 PM

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 Lynn, You seem to have incredible knowledge of shipping, so I'm wondering if you can point me in the right direction. My grandmother Alice Hopkins came out as an assisted migrant in 1900, and I think I have found her travelling to Sydney on the Jumna. However she went on to Cooktown, so the family tell, and I was wondering how one travelled that far north in those days. Would she have sailed to Brisbane and then caught another ship to Cooktown? And where would these records be held ? Hoping you can help. Gwen in Buderim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: > 28/08/2007 4:29 PM >

Hi Lynne, Thankyou for all the info re convict Benjamin Hanslow of "Guildford" 1824. Thanks too to MargM, Cheryl and Grahame. Have a great day. I'll be going to the library to look up some of these early BDMs, for Benjamin's family, on microfilm. Kind regards, Susan Central Coast NSW. On 8/29/07, Lynne Radford <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Hello Dee, > Thank you for your kind words. > I like to help, and have many resources here. > My interest stems, I am sure from my husband, whom I met on a voyage to UK, > (he was an engineer on the P&O ships) > We met 34 years ago and have been married for 32 yrs. > He says you get less for Murder!! > > If I can be of any assistance in furthering your research, please ask and I > will see what might be available. > > Take care, > Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dee Byster-Graham" <deebg@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:18 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > > > > Hi Lynne, > > > > You have a wonderful depth of knowledge on the subject of shipping to > > Australia. It is always a pleasure to read your answers to whomever you > > are > > helping, I learn something new every time you answer a query on this site. > > Whilst the subject may not be pertinent to my research at present, I keep > > them all knowing I shall probably require them sometime in the future. > > > > Thank you for the knowledge freely given. Perhaps one day I will find the > > name of the ship my family immigrated from Ireland in, and you will be > > able > > to fill in the 'blanks' of the voyage for me. Looking forward to that day! > > > > Warm regards, > > Dee > > Lamb Island, Moreton Bay. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Lynne, Well, that explains the nautical connection! And congratulations on a happy 32 year 'short' marriage. :-) I have posted before and despite lots of help from kind people here can`t make the breakthrough so hope I don`t bore you with the repitition! Thanks for you kind offer of help, it is much appreciated. I have searched for my GGrandparents for some time now with no result, always being told that the records for the particular period have been lost in floods in Brisbane. On Monday I visited the new State Library in Brisbane and found the first little glimmer of light ( more akin to a searchlight, actually!) in a book entitled: 'Early Shipping Moreton Bay Jan 1860 to Dec 1863' Volume 2. Surname; DOLAN 44/45 173 My folks FELIX DOLAN, wife MARY , son HUGH 6 yrs, daughter ANNIE 4 yrs, arrived from Fermanagh Ireland sometime between the dates of Jan 1861 and June 1862. As the time-frame of their arrival is quite specific, (one child born and died Ireland Jan 1861 - next child born Brisbane July 1862) I am sure that this entry is 'my' DOLAN. However there was nothing else, not a date, ship name, or rest of the family mentioned. To say I was gobsmacked is an understatement! When I asked where I could fine the rest of the information staff told me that I would have to visit State Archives and ask there. Am unable to visit for a couple of weeks due to circumstances, and perhaps when I do I will come up with a blank again. Can you perhaps tell me what the numbers in the entry represent, if they are pertinent to another book or document? Possibly you know of this book mentioned. Any help you can offer would be so very much appreciated, Lynne, my cousins have searched unsuccessfully for the name of the ship and arrival date for many years, and although I have searched for only 6 months I share their frustration. Our search is complicated by the arrival of another branch of the DOLAN family, cousins to the first, who`s records are easily found in later registers, 1865/66 and who have the same first names! Thanks so much for your help, Warm regards, Dee. Lamb Is, Moreton Bay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 August, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > Hello Dee, > Thank you for your kind words. > I like to help, and have many resources here. > My interest stems, I am sure from my husband, whom I met on a voyage to UK, > (he was an engineer on the P&O ships) > We met 34 years ago and have been married for 32 yrs. > He says you get less for Murder!! >

Hello Dee, Thank you for your kind words. I like to help, and have many resources here. My interest stems, I am sure from my husband, whom I met on a voyage to UK, (he was an engineer on the P&O ships) We met 34 years ago and have been married for 32 yrs. He says you get less for Murder!! If I can be of any assistance in furthering your research, please ask and I will see what might be available. Take care, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Byster-Graham" <deebg@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > Hi Lynne, > > You have a wonderful depth of knowledge on the subject of shipping to > Australia. It is always a pleasure to read your answers to whomever you > are > helping, I learn something new every time you answer a query on this site. > Whilst the subject may not be pertinent to my research at present, I keep > them all knowing I shall probably require them sometime in the future. > > Thank you for the knowledge freely given. Perhaps one day I will find the > name of the ship my family immigrated from Ireland in, and you will be > able > to fill in the 'blanks' of the voyage for me. Looking forward to that day! > > Warm regards, > Dee > Lamb Island, Moreton Bay.

Hi Again Susan, Pleased to be of help. Just found the following entries in my copy of General Muster of NSW for 1823.1824 & 1825 Now this has name Spelt OUNSLOW Ounslow, Catherine, FS (free by Servitude) Ship arrived on Lady Juliana, year1790, sentence 7 yrs, occupation/employment Housekeeper, District Parramatta Ounslow, Benjamin, C, ship Guildford, year 1823, sentence life, Government Employ Prisoner Barracks, District Sydney + not sure if related Ounslow, William, FS, ship Atlantic, year 1791, occupation/employment Landholder, District Windsor. No entry found in Muster of 1837, may be they are deceased.? 1828, as MargM said Onslow Onslow, Benjamin, age 24, Government Servant, ship Guildford, year 1823, sentence 14 yrs, Religion Protestant other family members Onslow, Peter, age 28, FS, Ship Globe, year 1818, sentence 7 years, Religion Protestant, Blacksmith, Residence Clarence St., Sydney Onslow, Mary, age 19, BC, Religion Protestant Onslow, John, age 2, BC, Religion Protestant Onslow, Richard, age 2 months, BC, Religion Protestant Addenda 00292-Onslow (all those listed above) Changed to Hanslow H3127+, source J. Hanslow NSW BDM Marriages V1828713 12/1828 HANSLOW BENJAMIN RICHARDSON CATHARINE CJ Church of England, Sydney St.James V18253513 3B/1825 HANSLOW PETER PORTER MARY CA Church of England, Sydney St. Phillip's Births V1826137 10/1826 HANSLOW JOHN PETER MARY V1828176 12/1828 HANSLOW RICHARD PETER MARY V18309771 1C/1830 HANSLOW PETER PETER MARY V1832188 16/1832 HANSLOW MARY A R PETER MARY V1834249 18/1834 HANSLOW SARAH PETER MARY V18299296 1C/1829 HANSLOW JOHN BENJAMIN CATHARINE V1832826 16/1832 HANSLOW REBECCA BENJAMIN ELIZABETH V1834181 18/1834 HANSLOW BENJAMIN BENJAMIN CATHARINE V183685 20/1836 HANSLOW ELIZA R BENJAMIN CATHARINE V183866 22/1838 HANSLOW LOUISA BENJAMIN CATHERINE Deaths V1833172 17/1833 HANSLOW CATHERINE INFANT V1839588 23A/1839 HANSLOW REBECCA INFANT V1839649 23A/1839 HANSLOW MARY A AGE 30 1454/1857 HANSLOW BENJAMIN AGE 57 YEARS DIED SURRY HILLS CHIPPENDALE 1980/1866 HANSLOW PETER AGE 68 YEARS DIED REDFERN REDFERN Kind regards, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Lamberton" <susanlamberton@gmail.com> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > Hi Lynne, > That's wonderful. Thankyou so much for your help re "Guildford" and > my ancestor, Benjamin Hanslow, convict aboard "Guildford" 1824 to > Sydney. > Will take me a while to study all this. Very interesting. > Kind regards, > Susan

Lynne, Thank you for your help. It will help finish off the book that I am writing on my family. I think these little details add a lot more interest. Once again thank you. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ship Benalla > Hi Marie, >>From same book Ships that Passed, By Scott Baty > BENALLA (sister ship to Beltana) > same details as sent for Beltana > except Launched 27 October 1912 > Completed; March 1913 > Inaugural Voyage. March 1913 (London/Sydney) > NAA http://www.naa.gov.au/ has passenger list > arrived > 19 April 1926 and 29 September 1926. > > I will scan photos of both ships and send to you direct. > > Kind regards, > Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marie Simpson" <mesdts@bigpond.net.au> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:34 AM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ship Benalla > > >> Hi List, >> Could I please ask for information on the ship Benalla that arrived into >> Sydney in 1926. >> Many thanks >> Marie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lynne, That's wonderful. Thankyou so much for your help re "Guildford" and my ancestor, Benjamin Hanslow, convict aboard "Guildford" 1824 to Sydney. Will take me a while to study all this. Very interesting. Kind regards, Susan NSW. On 8/29/07, Lynne Radford <lynne_r@tpg.com.au> wrote: > Hi Susan, > The Guildford was a ship of 521 tons built at the Thames in 1810. > > The Guildford was one of the best known convict ships ... In eight voyages > as a convict ship the Guildford conveyed over 1,500 male prisoners to > Australia for the loss of about a dozen men on the passage, the record of > her passages being as follows: > 1812 London to Port Jackson 137 days > > 1816 Ireland to Sydney not recorded > > 1818 Cork to Sydney 138 days > > 1820 Portsmouth to Sydney 139 days > > 1822 London to Sydney 99 days > > 1824 England to Sydney 190 days > > 1827 Plymouth to Sydney 116 days > > 1829 Dublin to Sydney 115 days > The Guildford had the same master for its first seven voyages, Magnus > JOHNSON. Robert HARRISON was her master on her eighth voyage. "Johnson was > a prudent and conscientious master, and he treated the convicts humanely" > (Bateson, 1983, p.232). > On her fourth voyage, the Guildford sailed from Portsmouth on 14 May 1820, > passing via the Cape to Sydney, where she arrived on 30 September 1820, and > then on to Hobart where she arrived on 28 October 1820, 167 days after > leaving Portsmouth. Her surgeon on this voyage was Hugh WALKER. She > carried 190 male convicts, of which one was landed at Sydney and the > remaining 189 were landed at Hobart Town. > > Log of Logs, Vol. 1. by Ian Nicholson > Guidford, E.I. Co ship/Ct, 521t > 1823-1824 > >From Lon.-Plymouth, 31/3 - Ten. - Sydney, 25/7 with 189 male prisoners > +account of voyage out by Lady Amelia Forbes * Mitchell Library, MSS943 > > >From net Search, > Researcher of Guilford (6) 1824, vicval@overflow.net.au > > >From http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm > GUILDFORD - 1825 > > (Green Book - Underwriters) > Master: Captain N. Johnson > Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822 > Tonnage: 521 tons > Construction: River; vessel 15 years old; major repairs in 1819 > Owners: Mangles > Draught under load: 18 feet > Port of survey: London > Voyage: sailed for New South Wales > > (Red Book - Shipowners) > Master: Captain Johnston > Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822; copper repaired in 1825 > Tonnage: 528 tons > Construction: 1810 in River; major repairs in 1819; new Wales, top sides, > deck & major repairs in 1825 > Owners: Mangles > Draught under load: 18 feet > Port of survey: London > Voyage: sailed for a) New South Wales; b) India > > State Records NSW > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_convict_arrivals_7075.asp > 4/4009] > Bound Indents, 1823-24 > 650 > Table of Contents > pp 1-102 > Recovery, 1823-Mary III, 1823 > 651 > pp 103-202 > Albion, 1823-Guildford, 1824 > > also > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_musters_and_other_papers_7081.asp > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/stories.html > > >From http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ > > arrival: ship Guildford > Convict vessel > Source > Master: Magnus Johnson grk, ad1 > Rigging: ship grk, ad1 > Weight: 521 grk, ad1 > Origin: 28th Aug 1823 Portsmouth grk, ad1 > Destination: 5th Mar 1824 Sydney grk, ad1 > > Date Event/Item Details Source > primary source AO 2/8261p437 [2422] > cargo stores grk, ad1 > via Derwent > > Passengers arriving at Sydney > Name Notes Type Source > 159 m cnv convict > detachment 40th Regt > > State Records NSW http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/ > Has the following > Convict Pardons > HANSLOW Benjamin - Guildford 1824 0793 CP 31 Dec 1836 [4/4435] 776 - > 063 > > Index to Tickets of exemption from Government Labor 1827-1832 > HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 30/143 30/6/1830 4/4284, 4/4061 1004, > 1006 to reside with his wife Catherine (born in the Colony) > HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 31/5 3/1/1831 4/4284, 4/4062 1004, > 1006 to reside with his wife C Hanslow (born in the Colony) > HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 32/11 2/1/1832 4/4285, 4/4062 1005, > 1006 to reside with his wife C Hanslow (born in the Colony); torn up on his > receiving a ticket of leave (no.33/636) > > Hope this may help > Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Lamberton" <susanlamberton@gmail.com> > To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:29 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > > > > Hi all, > > Asking please if you know details for Benjamin > > Hanlsow who arrived aboard "Guildford" 1824 that > > you contact me to swap notes and photos. > > Would you have the indent list for "Guildford"? > > Anyone have a description of the vessel or tell > > me where I can find it, a picture maybe? > > Kind regards, > > Susan > > Central Coast > > NSW. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marie, >From same book Ships that Passed, By Scott Baty BENALLA (sister ship to Beltana) same details as sent for Beltana except Launched 27 October 1912 Completed; March 1913 Inaugural Voyage. March 1913 (London/Sydney) NAA http://www.naa.gov.au/ has passenger list arrived 19 April 1926 and 29 September 1926. I will scan photos of both ships and send to you direct. Kind regards, Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Simpson" <mesdts@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:34 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ship Benalla > Hi List, > Could I please ask for information on the ship Benalla that arrived into > Sydney in 1926. > Many thanks > Marie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-IMMIGRATION-SHIPS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Lynne, You have a wonderful depth of knowledge on the subject of shipping to Australia. It is always a pleasure to read your answers to whomever you are helping, I learn something new every time you answer a query on this site. Whilst the subject may not be pertinent to my research at present, I keep them all knowing I shall probably require them sometime in the future. Thank you for the knowledge freely given. Perhaps one day I will find the name of the ship my family immigrated from Ireland in, and you will be able to fill in the 'blanks' of the voyage for me. Looking forward to that day! Warm regards, Dee Lamb Island, Moreton Bay. <snip>

Hi Susan, The Guildford was a ship of 521 tons built at the Thames in 1810. The Guildford was one of the best known convict ships ... In eight voyages as a convict ship the Guildford conveyed over 1,500 male prisoners to Australia for the loss of about a dozen men on the passage, the record of her passages being as follows: 1812 London to Port Jackson 137 days 1816 Ireland to Sydney not recorded 1818 Cork to Sydney 138 days 1820 Portsmouth to Sydney 139 days 1822 London to Sydney 99 days 1824 England to Sydney 190 days 1827 Plymouth to Sydney 116 days 1829 Dublin to Sydney 115 days The Guildford had the same master for its first seven voyages, Magnus JOHNSON. Robert HARRISON was her master on her eighth voyage. "Johnson was a prudent and conscientious master, and he treated the convicts humanely" (Bateson, 1983, p.232). On her fourth voyage, the Guildford sailed from Portsmouth on 14 May 1820, passing via the Cape to Sydney, where she arrived on 30 September 1820, and then on to Hobart where she arrived on 28 October 1820, 167 days after leaving Portsmouth. Her surgeon on this voyage was Hugh WALKER. She carried 190 male convicts, of which one was landed at Sydney and the remaining 189 were landed at Hobart Town. Log of Logs, Vol. 1. by Ian Nicholson Guidford, E.I. Co ship/Ct, 521t 1823-1824 >From Lon.-Plymouth, 31/3 - Ten. - Sydney, 25/7 with 189 male prisoners +account of voyage out by Lady Amelia Forbes * Mitchell Library, MSS943 >From net Search, Researcher of Guilford (6) 1824, vicval@overflow.net.au >From http://www.reach.net/~sc001198/Lloyds.htm GUILDFORD - 1825 (Green Book - Underwriters) Master: Captain N. Johnson Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822 Tonnage: 521 tons Construction: River; vessel 15 years old; major repairs in 1819 Owners: Mangles Draught under load: 18 feet Port of survey: London Voyage: sailed for New South Wales (Red Book - Shipowners) Master: Captain Johnston Rigging: Ship; 2 decks; sheathed in copper in 1822; copper repaired in 1825 Tonnage: 528 tons Construction: 1810 in River; major repairs in 1819; new Wales, top sides, deck & major repairs in 1825 Owners: Mangles Draught under load: 18 feet Port of survey: London Voyage: sailed for a) New South Wales; b) India State Records NSW http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_convict_arrivals_7075.asp 4/4009] Bound Indents, 1823-24 650 Table of Contents pp 1-102 Recovery, 1823-Mary III, 1823 651 pp 103-202 Albion, 1823-Guildford, 1824 also http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/using_the_ark_musters_and_other_papers_7081.asp http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/stories.html >From http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ arrival: ship Guildford Convict vessel Source Master: Magnus Johnson grk, ad1 Rigging: ship grk, ad1 Weight: 521 grk, ad1 Origin: 28th Aug 1823 Portsmouth grk, ad1 Destination: 5th Mar 1824 Sydney grk, ad1 Date Event/Item Details Source primary source AO 2/8261p437 [2422] cargo stores grk, ad1 via Derwent Passengers arriving at Sydney Name Notes Type Source 159 m cnv convict detachment 40th Regt State Records NSW http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/ Has the following Convict Pardons HANSLOW Benjamin - Guildford 1824 0793 CP 31 Dec 1836 [4/4435] 776 - 063 Index to Tickets of exemption from Government Labor 1827-1832 HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 30/143 30/6/1830 4/4284, 4/4061 1004, 1006 to reside with his wife Catherine (born in the Colony) HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 31/5 3/1/1831 4/4284, 4/4062 1004, 1006 to reside with his wife C Hanslow (born in the Colony) HANSLOW Benjamin Guildford 1824 32/11 2/1/1832 4/4285, 4/4062 1005, 1006 to reside with his wife C Hanslow (born in the Colony); torn up on his receiving a ticket of leave (no.33/636) Hope this may help Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Lamberton" <susanlamberton@gmail.com> To: <aus-immigration-ships@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] GUILDFORD 1824 > Hi all, > Asking please if you know details for Benjamin > Hanlsow who arrived aboard "Guildford" 1824 that > you contact me to swap notes and photos. > Would you have the indent list for "Guildford"? > Anyone have a description of the vessel or tell > me where I can find it, a picture maybe? > Kind regards, > Susan > Central Coast > NSW.

Hi, Lynne and Gayle, Thank you both again for your assistance. Have found the National Archives site: didn't know of its existence. (Live and learn, thanks to you!) Best wishes, Carolyn in Bathurst. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 206 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len