My apologies to all listers for posting this on the shipping listserve, though I'm trying to 'crash' through a brickwall. <This is a really big stab in the dark (ouch!) but I'll give it a shot as I have been very lucky in most of my searches. I'm trying to locate any information about a MAUD MOON who somehow ended up looking after my illegitimate grandmother VERA (aka MARY) MANN after the death of Vera's grandmother Catherine MANN of who she was living with. These women where all living in the LISMORE area C1904. It seems that they moved between Lismore and Glebe, Paddington, Balmain. Catherine's defacto husband was John MANN. Does this ring a bell with any listers who may be able to help. Thank you. Alison Gregory>

Hi Ross, Just a question for you. Did your Stevenson come from Lincoln and was he sentenced for 7 years? Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > Hullo Meg > > The convict I am attempting to trace is my forebear, John Stevenson. > > There are no records of which I am aware of a John Stevenson ( of this > exact spelling ) arriving on any ship in the first or second fleets, > however there were two tried in 1790 and sent to PJ in 1791. > > I am advised that the John Stevenson who was sent on the Albemarle died > and was buried at sea south of Perth. I would like to find some evidence. > Therefore, if this is so, my John Stevenson must have travelled on another > ship, possibly the Britannia, yet many of the early musters and the census > of 1828 in PJ, record John Stevenson as arriving on the Albemarle. Is > this just a clerical error or did John Stevenson try and hide his past or > what? > > A person of this name arrived in the Greenhills area (Richmond) and lived, > worked and produced a family and this is certainly my forebear. It is the > link back to England that I am attempting to trace. > > Regards > > Ross > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Meg" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > > >> Ross and others. >> >> I can help you with names from the Albermarle 1791. >> Perhaps you could give me some names. It would be very difficult to send >> you names of all the convicts on that voyage >> >> Regards >> Meg >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM >> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle >> >> >>>I am searching for the indent for the Albemarle which arrived in PJ in >>>1791 and /or more particularly those convicts who arrived and >>>disembarked. >>> >>> I understand that the ship had a high death rate of about 36 including >>> two mutineers who were hanged from the yard arm. >>> >>> Can anyone guide me please. >>> >>> Ross >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi everyone, A big thankyou for all of your help in answering my query about beche la mer. Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage? > X-SpamDetect-Info: ------------- Start SmiteSpam results --------------- > X-SpamDetect-Info: This message may be spam. This message BODY has been > altered so X-SpamDetect-Info: your mail client can be set to filter it, > see http://smitespam.com/body.htm > X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56 =1.5 > X-SpamDetect-Info: ------------- End SmiteSpam results --------------- > > Hi Leanne, > It is "Sea Slugs" > Some estimates are that the population of the approximately 83 major > islands in this group, totalling about 4,700 square miles, was as many as > a million people before the Europeans came in earnest in the early 1800's > in search of four things: sandalwood (a rare sweet smelling wood popular > with the Chinese as incense), beche-la-mer (or sea slugs, a very tasty and > expensive delicacy, also traded with the Chinese), cheap labour (or > blackbirding, where natives were rounded up for use on plantations), and > conversion to Christianity. The net result, because of diseases against > which the indigenous people had no defence, was the population collapsed > to a low of about 40,000 by the 1930's. It's now about 175,000. Each of > the islands had, and still has, a distinct culture. > > From Paul Benyons site the following, > > The Elizabeth has returned from her sandalwood cruise, with about 120 tons > on board. The brig Sir John Bing left Anatam for China the beginning of > February, with a full cargo of sandalwood. The brig Spy, from China, was > at the Isle of Pines in search of sandal. wood and beche-la-mer ; she had > been rather unsuccessful. > > Kind regards, > > Lynne, Sydney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:09 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage? > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hullo Meg The convict I am attempting to trace is my forebear, John Stevenson. There are no records of which I am aware of a John Stevenson ( of this exact spelling ) arriving on any ship in the first or second fleets, however there were two tried in 1790 and sent to PJ in 1791. I am advised that the John Stevenson who was sent on the Albemarle died and was buried at sea south of Perth. I would like to find some evidence. Therefore, if this is so, my John Stevenson must have travelled on another ship, possibly the Britannia, yet many of the early musters and the census of 1828 in PJ, record John Stevenson as arriving on the Albemarle. Is this just a clerical error or did John Stevenson try and hide his past or what? A person of this name arrived in the Greenhills area (Richmond) and lived, worked and produced a family and this is certainly my forebear. It is the link back to England that I am attempting to trace. Regards Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > Ross and others. > > I can help you with names from the Albermarle 1791. > Perhaps you could give me some names. It would be very difficult to send > you names of all the convicts on that voyage > > Regards > Meg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > > >>I am searching for the indent for the Albemarle which arrived in PJ in >>1791 and /or more particularly those convicts who arrived and disembarked. >> >> I understand that the ship had a high death rate of about 36 including >> two mutineers who were hanged from the yard arm. >> >> Can anyone guide me please. >> >> Ross >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle >I am searching for the indent for the Albemarle which arrived in PJ in 1791 >and /or more particularly those convicts who arrived and disembarked. > > I understand that the ship had a high death rate of about 36 including two > mutineers who were hanged from the yard arm. Hi Ross NSW State Records published convict ship indents some time ago on fiche . These are to be found in many libraries The earlier ones dont give very much info www.convictcentral.com has some info on this ship From Lesley UEBALS convicts to Port Jackson CD Abbott, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Gloucester 1780 Life Abbott, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1790 7 Acres, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Alexander, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1790 Life Allen, Stephen 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1789 7 Atkinson, John 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1787 7 Aulton, Benjamin 1791 Albemarle Warwick 1789 7 Bacchus, Phillip 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1790 7 Baker, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Ball, Francis 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Barlow, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Bates, Benjamin 1791 Albemarle Kent 1788 7 Bath, John 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1787 7 Batty, David 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Beetle, Francis 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Belville, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Bennett, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Lincoln 1787 7 Bennett, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Berryman, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Betts, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Biggs, Joseph 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Birkin, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Derby 1787 7 Blower, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Bran, William 1791 Albemarle Kent 1788 7 Brathwaite, David 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Brewer, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Brown, John 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Brown, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Buckle, Isaac 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Burbridge, William 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Burdett, Joseph 1791 Albemarle London 1787 7 Cadman, Henry 1791 Albemarle Coventry 1787 7 Caish, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1788 7 Caldicutt, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Campbell, James 1791 Albemarle Portsmouth 1790 7 Carroll, John 1791 Albemarle London 1787 7 Casey, Patrick 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Cave, Elizabeth 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Charles, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Clements, Esau 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Clews, Samuel 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Collins, Edward 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 7 Collinton, James 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Cook George 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Cook, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Cook, William Crozier 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Cooney, Bridget 1791 Albemarle London 1789 Life Cooper, William al Bedwell 1791 Albemarle Kent 1789 7 Cozens, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 7 Craft, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life 32 Crew, William 1791 Albemarle - 7 bc1749 Croker, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Crozier, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Cubitt, John 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1789 7 Cummings, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Dalton, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Damont, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Darbyshire, John 1791 Albemarle Derby 1787 7 Davies, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Davis, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Davis, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Dawson, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 Life Dean, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Denham, William 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 7 Dickie, George 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Doyle, Michael 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Duke, Nicholas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 14 Duncombe, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Dunklin, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Dunn, Michael 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Dunstone, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Earle, William 1791 Albemarle Kent 1789 7 Edsell, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Elliott, William 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Ellison, Anthony al Dixon 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 Ellison, George 1791 Albemarle London 1789 7 Emmett, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Evans, David 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Evans, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Fellows, Edward (Fallows) 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Fernsworth, James 1791 Albemarle Suffolk 1788 7 Fincham, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Foreham, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Foulcher, Robert 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Franklin, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Furber, Benjamin 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Gagan, Patrick (Gogan) 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 14 Garrett, William 1791 Albemarle Berkshire 1787 7 Gay, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Gibbs, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Hertford 1788 7 Glaves, John 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Godfrey, William 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 7 Goode, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Gloucester 1790 7 Gorman, Mary 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Gould, John 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 14 Greaves, Lazarus 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Griffin, Ann 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Hales, Henry 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 7 Hales, William 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Haley, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Hamilton, John 1791 Albemarle Durham 1790 7 Harding, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Harding, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Harrold, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Hitchcock, John 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1789 7 Holder, Daniel 1791 Albemarle Gloucester 1790 7 Holligan, George 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Hollister, Timothy 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Hopkins, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Hoy, Michael 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Hubbard, John 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1790 7 Hughes, Edward 1791 Albemarle Kent 1789 7 Humphries, Henry 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Humphries, Lawrence 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Hunton, Steven 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 Life Hyland, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Ingham, William 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1790 Life Jeffreys, Samuel 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1789 7 John, John William 1791 Albemarle Cardiff 1790 7 Johnson, Richard 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Johnson, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 7 Jones, Henry 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Jones, James 1791 Albemarle Warwick 1787 7 Jones, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 Life Jones, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Jones, William 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 7 Joyce, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 7 Joyce, William 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1789 14 Keen, Arthur 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1787 7 Kershaw, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Yorkshire 1789 7 Keys, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Kibble, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Gloucester 1790 7 Larney, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1787 7 Leach, William 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1791 7 Leadbeater, John 1791 Albemarle Stafford 1790 7 Lear, John 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1787 7 Leonard, Martin 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Leslie, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Lithgoe, William 1791 Albemarle Stafford 1790 14 Loach, William 1791 Albemarle Warwick 1787 7 Loome, James Royal 1791 Albemarle Warwick 1787 7 Mace, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Magg, James 1791 Albemarle London 1790 7 Mallery, James 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Maney, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Mann, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Mariner, Robert 1791 Albemarle Durham 1787 7 Marsden, John 1791 Albemarle London 1788 7 Mayhew, William 1791 Albemarle Suffolk 1789 Life McDonald, Donald 1791 Albemarle Durham 1790 7 McLane, William 1791 Albemarle Kent 1788 7 Meadows, George 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Miller, William 1791 Albemarle Lincoln 1790 Mitchell, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 7 Mitton, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Moore, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Oxford 1789 Life Moss, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Murray, Henry 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Murray, Nicholas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Murray, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Kent 1789 7 Nash, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Neal, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1788 7 Nelson, Isaac 1791 Albemarle Stafford 1789 7 Nelson, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Nichollas, Henry 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Noel, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Norton, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Oliver, Ralph 1791 Albemarle Durham 1790 7 Ozeland, Elizabeth 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Parrott, William 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Parsons, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Peak, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Perry, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Petree, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Phipps, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Piece, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Pollock, Asher 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Pratt, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Price, Edward 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Price, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Ray, William (Jay) 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Raynor, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Read, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Reeves, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Reeves, John 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Reynolds, Stephen 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Richards, Charles 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Richards, Richard 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Richardson, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 14 Riley, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Robertson, James 1791 Albemarle London 1788 7 Robins, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Robinson, William 1791 Albemarle Kent 1789 7 Rowell, Richard 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Russell, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Gloucester 1790 Life Sampson, Ebenezer 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Saunders, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Savage, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Scrivener, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Scuffham, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Stafford 1790 7 Seddon, Peter 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 Selby, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Shingle, George 1791 Albemarle Stafford 1790 14 Shirley, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Slaughter, William 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Slough, George 1791 Albemarle Hertford 1787 7 Smith, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Smith, John 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Smith, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Smith, John 1791 Albemarle Durham 1790 Life Smith, Robert 1791 Albemarle Kent 1788 7 Smith, Sarah 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Smoulton, Guyer 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1790 7 Snealer, George 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 7 Solomons, Abraham 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Stephens, John 1791 Albemarle Derby 1789 7 Stewart, Charles 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Stover, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Stover, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Strahan, Patrick 1791 Albemarle Hants 1790 7 Stubbs, Joseph 1791 Albemarle Durham 1790 7 Stubbs, Thomas 1791 Albemarle London 1790 7 Sullivan, James 1791 Albemarle London 1790 Life Sutherland, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1789 7 Sykes, Henry 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Taylor, John 1791 Albemarle London 1790 7 Timms, Edward 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Turner, Richard 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1789 Life Ulston, Andrew 1791 Albemarle Old Bailey 1790 7 Walker, Sarah 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1791 7 Wall, Richard 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Walton, Edward 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Ward, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Warner, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Waterson, James 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1789 Life Watson, Henry 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 Watson, Henry 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Watson, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Watson, Richard 1791 Albemarle Kent 1787 7 Watson, Robert 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Wayland, Charles 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Welling, Edward 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Wheeler, Thomas 1791 Albemarle Warwick 1787 7 White, James 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1787 7 Wiley, James 1791 Albemarle Durham 1790 7 Wilkes, Charles 1791 Albemarle Essex 1789 7 William, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Williams, William al Crowe 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Williamson, John 1791 Albemarle Stafford 1790 7 Wilson, James 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 7 Wilson, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Wilson, John 1791 Albemarle Surrey 1790 14 Winder, James 1791 Albemarle Suffolk 1789 7 Wood, Henry 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 7 Wood, John 1791 Albemarle Middlesex 1790 Life Wright, James 1791 Albemarle Norfolk 1790 7 Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Ross and others. I can help you with names from the Albermarle 1791. Perhaps you could give me some names. It would be very difficult to send you names of all the convicts on that voyage Regards Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle >I am searching for the indent for the Albemarle which arrived in PJ in 1791 >and /or more particularly those convicts who arrived and disembarked. > > I understand that the ship had a high death rate of about 36 including two > mutineers who were hanged from the yard arm. > > Can anyone guide me please. > > Ross > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

thank you for all the references regarding Susan. Something to work with :) Regards Meg From: "Lynne Radford" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] SUSAN > From http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ > > or SUSAN > > Susan arrival Sydney 10th Mar 1839 > origin: Plymouth 8th Dec 1838 > > Source: grk > primary source AO 4/4784 p63 [2134] > primary source AO 4/4849 [1307] > source issue records confuse this vessel with one on 1 Feb 1839. Refer > Agents lists for correct vessel > > Reference: e- 39041 > Source: ao:2502 > > Susan arrival Sydney 25th Mar 1840 > origin: Plymouth > > Reference: e- 14131 > Source: SPR > primary source AO 4/4879 [1337] > primary source AO 4/4787p210 > primary source AO 2134

Listers im not home so Im not sure which list it was that I wanted to answer re Charlotte Butler the query was did she arrived on the Susan or the Corbwall 1839 It was the Cornwall in 1839 and there was a Charlotte aged 38 a Charlotte aged 8 there are acually 2 Butler brothers with their wives and families 12 in all all from Kent I can give details if the person would like to contact me off list Christene

Thanks Lynne, I'll give it a try Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > Hi Ross, > Not a great deal on line information > A "Google" search brings up some sites > either use the ship name Albemarle , or 3rd Fleet > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/shipNSW1.html > > http://www.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/dps/3rdflt.txt > > http://jamesmc.pinewoodrecords.com.au/bk2.htm > > http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page119.html > > Kind regards, > Lynne, Sydney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Ross, Not a great deal on line information A "Google" search brings up some sites either use the ship name Albemarle , or 3rd Fleet http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/shipNSW1.html http://www.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/dps/3rdflt.txt http://jamesmc.pinewoodrecords.com.au/bk2.htm http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page119.html Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle

I am searching for the indent for the Albemarle which arrived in PJ in 1791 and /or more particularly those convicts who arrived and disembarked. I understand that the ship had a high death rate of about 36 including two mutineers who were hanged from the yard arm. Can anyone guide me please. Ross

Hi Karen, Cornwall arrived From http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ Cornwall arrival Sydney 1st Sep 1839 origin: Gravesend 12th May 1839 Reference: e- 14093 Source: grk primary source AO 4/4780 p298 [2654] primary source AO 4/4841 [1301] 1839 Oct 15th background Alternate date of arrival in Sydney ao:2502 or Cornwall (872 tons) departure Plymouth 28th Apr 1848 destination Port Phillip Crouch, master Reference: e- 75522 Source: tsg:230 or SUSAN Susan arrival Sydney 10th Mar 1839 origin: Plymouth 8th Dec 1838 Reference: e- 14074 Source: grk primary source AO 4/4784 p63 [2134] primary source AO 4/4849 [1307] source issue records confuse this vessel with one on 1 Feb 1839. Refer Agents lists for correct vessel Susan arrival Sydney 22nd Oct 1839 Reference: e- 39041 Source: ao:2502 Susan arrival Sydney 25th Mar 1840 origin: Plymouth Reference: e- 14131 Source: SPR primary source AO 4/4879 [1337] primary source AO 4/4787p210 primary source AO 2134 Susan arrival Sydney 12th Dec 1840 Reference: e- 39387 Source: ao:2502 barque Susan arrival Sydney 25th Mar 1841 origin: London 12th Dec 1840 Neatby, master Notes: left the Downs Reference: e- 58776 Source: fpc:24 Passengers arriving at Sydney Name Notes Source Fraill, Dr MD fpc:24 Chapman, Mrs T fpc:24 Peck, Mrs fpc:24 Green, Miss fpc:24 Pike, Mr R M fpc:24 Peck, Mr J fpc:24 Last, Mr R W fpc:24 Preston, Mr fpc:24 Tritton, Mr fpc:24 Eason, Mr G fpc:24 Waugh, Mr T S fpc:24 Williams, Mr R fpc:24 Fisher, Mr F fpc:24 Lawson, Capt Charles fpc:24 3 in steerage fpc:24 241 emigrants fpc:24 I feel a search at the archives would be the only way to find the answer. I will look next time I go, hopefully in the next week. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karan Nicolaisen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] SUSAN or CORNWALL.......1839 or 1841

Hi Alan, Have looked at Peter Larson's site http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ There is a passenger list, no Newton. As it was from Melbourne did they disembark there? This is the list ship Condor (912 tons) arrival Adelaide 5th Mar 1850 origin: Liverpool 17th Oct 1849 Daly, master Notes: via Melbourne 23 Feb 1850 Cargo: cargo: imports Reference: e- 72069 Source: sar:1061 Passengers arriving at Adelaide Name Notes Source Cabin sar:1061 Gardner, Rev J. and wife, 3 children, and servant sar:1061 Knox, Miss sar:1061 McLean, Mrs sar:1061 Melville, Mr sar:1061 O'Brien, Mr surgeon sar:1061 Steerage sar:1061 Wilson, Miss sar:1061 North, Miss sar:1061 Dunn, Miss sar:1061 Spence, Mr J. sar:1061 Hurst, Mr C. sar:1061 Just, Mr J. sar:1061 Haigh, Mr B. sar:1061 Sindon, Mr B. sar:1061 Kelch, Mr E. sar:1061 Delch, Mr sar:1061 New, Robert and wife, 1 child sar:1061 Nowland, Edward and wife sar:1061 Bradley, Arthur sar:1061 Rickard, Charles sar:1061 Monck, J. sar:1061 Clarke, Samuel and wife sar:1061 Reid, J. and wife, 1 child sar:1061 Webster, James sar:1061 Webster, Mary Ann sar:1061 Walton, William sar:1061 Walton, Hannah sar:1061 Rew, Daniel sar:1061 Hearon, John and daughter sar:1061 Whalley, Joseph sar:1061 Rock, Charles sar:1061 Jones, Andrew sar:1061 Jones, Thomas sar:1061 Rice, Thomas sar:1061 May, J. sar:1061 May, Anne and child sar:1061 Kind Regards, Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Visit by ship Condor to Adelaide in 1851

Hi Allan, Probably Mortlock Library may have more information on this. Or an article in the newspaper of the time the "Register". http://www.catalog.slsa.sa.gov.au:1084/screens/opacmenu.html The following is from Di Cummings site, but does not have a list of passengers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Edicummings/SAShips1851-1855.htm 1851 CONDOR from Liverpool 23 - 01 1851 - Captain Daly, arrived Port Adelaide on 11-05-1851 From Migrant ships for South Australia CONDOR 849/912t, Wood. 3 mast ship. Built 1849 St. John, New Brunswick Owner: Bright and Co., Reg. Liverpool *Arrived 5 March 1850 from Liverpool 17 October 1849, via Melbourne 23 February 1850. Captain Daly (Register 6 March 1850) *Arrived 11 May 1851, from Liverpool 23 January 1851, Capt. Daly. (Register 12 May 1851) The ship took fire in the North Atlantic and sunk 11 June 1853, on a voyage from Port Phillip to UK., no lives were lost. Hope this may help. Kind regards, Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Visit by ship Condor to Adelaide in 1851

In 1851, the cargo ship Condor (but also carrying some passengers) was berthed at Adelaide for about seven weeks - from May 11, 1851 until approximately June 30. One family (Mr & Mrs Newton and three children) was destined for Melbourne, but apparently stayed on board - or on land at Adelaide - during this prolonged stop. Can anyone tell me where I might uncover any information on the Condor's stay and/or of that family. Allan Jamieson Burnie Tasmania

Good morning Listers, Major William Harvie CHRISTIE, with his new wife Ellen returned to the Colony of New South Wales, sometime before 9th November 1837, when the birth of their first child, a son, William Blayney Beaver CHRISTIE took place at Liverpool, in New South Wales. William Harvie Christie joined the 80th Foot as an Ensign Lt. in 1827 at Sandhurst, then became a Captain in 1833 and was sent to the Penal Colony at Port Jackson in 1833, with his regiment. He was appointed assistant engineer and superintendent of the Iron Chain Gangs (convicts) at Liverpool. He returned to England in time to marry Ellen Harrison in Manchester on 28th July, 1835. However, I am not sure if the 80th regiment returned to England, or just CHRISTIE. While in England he received the commission of Major. However, William Harvie Christie, sold his commission and retired from the Army, due to ill health. He then returned to New South Wales with his wife Ellen, and maybe his brother-in-law, James Harrison. The year of him sailing to the Colony would be between August 1835, when he married Ellen in Manchester and the birth of his son William Jnr in Liverpool in Sydney in November, 1837. How can I find what ship the family arrived in Sydney? Any suggestion would be very much appreciated. Regards, Janice Sydney.

Hi Leanne, It is "Sea Slugs" Some estimates are that the population of the approximately 83 major islands in this group, totalling about 4,700 square miles, was as many as a million people before the Europeans came in earnest in the early 1800's in search of four things: sandalwood (a rare sweet smelling wood popular with the Chinese as incense), beche-la-mer (or sea slugs, a very tasty and expensive delicacy, also traded with the Chinese), cheap labour (or blackbirding, where natives were rounded up for use on plantations), and conversion to Christianity. The net result, because of diseases against which the indigenous people had no defence, was the population collapsed to a low of about 40,000 by the 1930's. It's now about 175,000. Each of the islands had, and still has, a distinct culture. From Paul Benyons site the following, The Elizabeth has returned from her sandalwood cruise, with about 120 tons on board. The brig Sir John Bing left Anatam for China the beginning of February, with a full cargo of sandalwood. The brig Spy, from China, was at the Isle of Pines in search of sandal. wood and beche-la-mer ; she had been rather unsuccessful. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage?

Leanne, my dictionary says Trepang, - sea cucumber, or language of the S. W. Pacific, combining Malay and English. Edna MacPherson Sabato ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage? > Hi everyone, > I was hoping someone might be able to help me identify what is meant by a 'beche-la-mer' voyage. > I have not seen this before. > Thanking you > Kind regards > Leanne baulch > Canberra > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hello again to the list.... CHARLTOTTE BUTLER/BUTTLER: I desperately need help.......I am trying to find when / how my ggg/mother entered Australia.... I have differing unproven reports of her arriving sometime between 1839 and 1841......some reports say she came on the SUSAN others say the .CORNWALL..some reports say she came in to Victoria, others say Sydney, NSW?.. I cant seem to find anything anywhere on the net to back up either of these reports... She is said to have been born in England c. 1832 which would make her still a child at the time...... Did she come as an immigrant...assisted or otherwise?...with / withouth family? Did she arrive as a child convict?...I know they transported teenagers without adults, what about younger children? Charlotte HAD to arrive here somehow as we know she was born in England and married my ggg/father, Thomas Norley, in NSW in 1848. Can somone please help me solve this puzzle. thanking you, Karan, Oklahoma.USA

Hi Ron, From Bateson's Convict ships Calcutta II sailed from Dublin, direct to Port Jackson arriving 5 August 1837. She was a large Ship of 706 tons built Quebec, Canada in 1835. He master was Joseph Brown and surgeon Anthony Donoghoe. She carried 340 male convicts 10 of whom died. Regards Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Norton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Convict ship Calcutta >I am trying to obtain a photograph, sketch, or drawing of the convict >transport > ship ''Calcutta II'" which sailed from Dublin on 19 April 1837and arrived > in Australia > on 5 August 1837. Can anyone help? > > Also would like to hear from anyone who might have details of this voyage, > its passenger > list and/or the surgeon's journal.