-----Original Message----- From: pepah [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} Second time: COMLEY family to Adelaide 1883/4 Dear Listers A short while ago I asked members the query below. I don't know if my message landed in email boxes when people were away or just busy, but, most unusually, I received no answer whatsoever. Perhaps the answer is that no resource exists, but I would be most grateful to be told that if so, as it would clear out one line of research conclusively. Many thanks. "I am hoping that the skills and resourcefulness of the Group members will be able to help me track down the ship in which the COMLEY family arrived in Adelaide between May 1883 and November 1884. I have seen advice given on other States but not for SA. Are there any indexes to such a situation, please? The full family comprised, Charles Albert COMLEY (Head) Sarah Ann, his wife Charles Herbert aged 10-11, his son Reginald aged 7-8, son Ida Emily aged 5-6, daughter Edith May, aged 0-1, daughter" In hope again... Peter London, England

No answer for you but hope you don't mind me asking if Lola ever worked at Myer Canberra or it's probably a different Lola I worked with. Marilyn Sheehan (nee May) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Lola McCredie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] SAILING SHIP - CAROLINE PRINCESS > High Listers, > > The CAROLINE PRINCESS arrived in Melbourne on 19 November 1858 carrying the 189 passengers which are presumed to be the survivors of the EASTERN CITY which caught fire and sank off the coast of South Africa between 23-26 August. > > The survivors had been landed at Table Bay, South Africa, where the Immigration Agent arranged the charter of the CP to bring the survivors on to Australia. > > I am trying to establish in which ship my G Grandparents sailed from England/Scotland. I am of the opinion that the majority of the passengers, arriving in Melbourne, were EC survivors. I was wondering if there are any descendents of EC/CP passengers/survivors out there who may be able to assist me with my research. > > Regards > Bob > Gold Coast > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi All I am researching one John Roscoe KINSMORE who hailed from Maine US. Descendants have relayed information that this chap jumped ship from the 'Castle Eden' in 1852. He is not listed amongst the passengers arriving Melbourne or Sydney. Is there someone who has access to ship deserters records....government gazettes that could do a look up for me please? Any & all help appreciated. Regards Christine

High Listers, The CAROLINE PRINCESS arrived in Melbourne on 19 November 1858 carrying the 189 passengers which are presumed to be the survivors of the EASTERN CITY which caught fire and sank off the coast of South Africa between 23-26 August. The survivors had been landed at Table Bay, South Africa, where the Immigration Agent arranged the charter of the CP to bring the survivors on to Australia. I am trying to establish in which ship my G Grandparents sailed from England/Scotland. I am of the opinion that the majority of the passengers, arriving in Melbourne, were EC survivors. I was wondering if there are any descendents of EC/CP passengers/survivors out there who may be able to assist me with my research. Regards Bob Gold Coast

----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene R" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] German/Irish Names Hi Irene > I wonder if anyone can help me. Several of my ancestors must have swum > here > as I cannot find any of their arrivals or ships' names. > > German names are: > > Carl Heinrich GOLGERTH He was naturlised ........ See National Archives / Record search data base . You can get copy digetised at no charge Usually naturlisation docs give name of ship Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Hi All I wonder if anyone can help me. Several of my ancestors must have swum here as I cannot find any of their arrivals or ships' names. German names are: Carl Heinrich GOLGERTH His wife Johanna Louisa Wilhelmina BISCHOFF b. abt 1832 and her mother Johanna BISCHOFF nee WESTWINK. I know that Carl and Johanna were here in 1852 as they were married in Emerald Hill in that year, but that is all I know !! The Irish names I am lacking are: Two David NOLANs - father and son. Father b. abt 1804 Co Kerry IRL and son b. abt 1841 reg in Ardfert, Co Kerry IRL. Father David died in 1894 in Talbotville, Vic. I know son David was in Oz by 1872 because he married my g grandmother in 1872 in Omeo. Thomas McHenry was b abt 1820 in Dublin IRL and married in Vic, Oz in 1846. I have hunted for all the variations I can think off, convicts etc, all states but cannot find any of them. Any help or ideas would be very gratefully received Irene R Rees/Dowsett Family Page http://tribalpages.com/tribes/Brent44

Death certificates usually list a place of birth and how long the person has been living in the colonies. Get in touch with South Australian Historical Society or Mortlock Library, they should be able to give you tips. Alison Gregory

Hello all, Begging for a shipping 'Look-up.' I am searching for evidence of JONES boys: SAMUEL, JACK, or ROBERT sailing to Australia with their grandmother and/or their aunt. Uncertain as to the name details of these good ladies, which makes it extra difficult, but the name PERSSE may figure. The group would likely have left DUBLIN, Ireland late 1864 or early 1865. Samuel would have been a 'babe in arms.' Landing Port would almost certainly have been Sydney. Both boys parents (William Jones and Mary Persse) died mid 1864. I'd welcome any help I can get on this problem. Thanks, Wendy in Western Australia.

Hi Alison, I don't know but I've come across a lady called Barbara Mann, maybe she can help you. [email protected] Good Luck Julia Alison Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: My apologies to all listers for posting this on the shipping listserve, though I'm trying to 'crash' through a brickwall. as I have been very lucky in most of my searches. I'm trying to locate any information about a MAUD MOON who somehow ended up looking after my illegitimate grandmother VERA (aka MARY) MANN after the death of Vera's grandmother Catherine MANN of who she was living with. These women where all living in the LISMORE area C1904. It seems that they moved between Lismore and Glebe, Paddington, Balmain. Catherine's defacto husband was John MANN. Does this ring a bell with any listers who may be able to help. Thank you. Alison Gregory> ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi, Robyn; The "St. Helena" did indeed come to Moreton Bay in 1854. I have an Alphabetical list of passengers, if you would like me to check someone. Edna MacPherson Sabato www.sabatech.net/scotchman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Cozens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Shipping records for the St Helena 1854 > Could someone help me track down where this ship came from and where it > went to? I think it may have gone to Moreton Bay but I need to find > confirmation of this and the actual dates as well if possible. > Here's hoping someone can help me with this. > Thanks > Robyn

Could someone help me track down where this ship came from and where it went to? I think it may have gone to Moreton Bay but I need to find confirmation of this and the actual dates as well if possible. Here's hoping someone can help me with this. Thanks Robyn

To: Leanne, MargaretM Meg Lynne I think I have everyone Thankyou all for your help in trying to sort out my confusion with Albemarle and other ships and to find my convict John Stevenson. I appreciate your information and advice. I will now settle down to sorting it all out and that will take me some time. Regards Ross

Good Evening List I wondering if SKS could help me Please I am trying to find the passengerlist for my ggrandfather arriveing in Sydney in 1899 onboard the AUSTRALASIAN in 1899 from London ,(official no. 88859) Richard Henrry Albert ROBESON b 1874 Harwhich England , also known as Joseph Henry Robeson or Harry Robeson Richard was a seaman for his career and his last and final voyage he discharged at Sydney 18th April 1899 his other voage to Sydney was in 1890 from London to Sydney onboard the CAIRNBULG (official no 65107) Richard had 2 voyages to Adelaide prior to the above WOOLLOOMOOLOO official no. 98954 in 1897 and WOOLLOOMOOLOO official no. 98954 1898 Richard then "somehow" arrived in South Australia abt 1900 -1901 (first boy born and died in S.A 1901 ) I am trying to find the connection how , when and where he " supposedly" married my ggrandmother Marie WAKELIN , who arrived in QLD on board the Dacca in 1887 , married in QLD , and then after her 5th child , both Marie Day (nee Wakelin) and 5th child was in Adelaide with Richard I have tried contacting the Sydney State Records , apparently they have the passenger list for Richard but I have to go to reading room and check for myself , as I live in Adelaide that is rather hard to do so , I would appreciate any help or advise Please Thank you Debbie

Whilst searching the web I came across this website by Michael Palmer. It may be of use to some people. The Palmer List of Merchant Vessels http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/

Hi Leanne A minor point but the fish, of which there seems to be many species, is called beche-de-mer not "la" which means "the". I am not trying to be picky. I don't know the exact interpretation of "beche" but "de mer" is "of the sea" so it may mean "slug of the sea" or "fish of the sea" or similar. The other strange thing is that I seem to always see it written with hyphens between each of the three words. I don't know why. Regards Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage? > Hi everyone, > > A big thankyou for all of your help in answering my query about beche la > mer. > > Kind regards > Leanne Baulch > Canberra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Radford" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage? > > >> X-SpamDetect-Info: ------------- Start SmiteSpam results --------------- >> X-SpamDetect-Info: This message may be spam. This message BODY has been >> altered so X-SpamDetect-Info: your mail client can be set to filter it, >> see http://smitespam.com/body.htm >> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.500000 Content: cid=56 =1.5 >> X-SpamDetect-Info: ------------- End SmiteSpam results --------------- >> >> Hi Leanne, >> It is "Sea Slugs" >> Some estimates are that the population of the approximately 83 major >> islands in this group, totalling about 4,700 square miles, was as many as >> a million people before the Europeans came in earnest in the early 1800's >> in search of four things: sandalwood (a rare sweet smelling wood popular >> with the Chinese as incense), beche-la-mer (or sea slugs, a very tasty >> and expensive delicacy, also traded with the Chinese), cheap labour (or >> blackbirding, where natives were rounded up for use on plantations), and >> conversion to Christianity. The net result, because of diseases against >> which the indigenous people had no defence, was the population collapsed >> to a low of about 40,000 by the 1930's. It's now about 175,000. Each of >> the islands had, and still has, a distinct culture. >> >> From Paul Benyons site the following, >> >> The Elizabeth has returned from her sandalwood cruise, with about 120 >> tons on board. The brig Sir John Bing left Anatam for China the beginning >> of February, with a full cargo of sandalwood. The brig Spy, from China, >> was at the Isle of Pines in search of sandal. wood and beche-la-mer ; she >> had been rather unsuccessful. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Lynne, Sydney >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:09 PM >> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] What type of voyage? >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hello from Melbourne . I wonder if anyone can assist with my problem. My Grandfather, Percy Harold Ryton BENSON is known to have been a Ship's Stoker in June 1907. By April 1908 he was in Queensland when my Grandmother and family arrived on R.M.S. "OROTAVA" I see 3 possibilities: Percy "Jumped" ship in Australia Worked his passage here Came here as a passenger, Hence my query to this list Cheers, Bob.

Hi Ross, Found the following on NSW BDM's Marriages V18304907 3B/1830 GRIFFITHS HENRY STEPHENSON HELEN CE V1830345 14/1830 GRIFFITHS HENRY STEPHENSON HELEN CE V1830534 157/1830 GRIFFITHS HENRY STEPHENSON HELEN CE V18371658 21/1837 STEVENSON WILLIAM WESTBROOK ANN CE V1837607 157/1837 STEVENSON WILLIAM WESTBROOK ANN CE Births V1840939 24A/1840 STEVENSON JOHN WILLIAM ANN V18481216 33A/1848 STEVENSON HELEN WILLIAM ANN V18414684 121B/1841 STEVENSON WILLIAM J WILLIAM ANN V1848567 158/1848 STEVENSON HELEN WILLIAM ANN V18491807 34A/1849 STEVENSON ROBERT WILLIAM ANN V184078 158/1840 STEVENSON JOHN WILLIAM ANN V1845351 158/1845 STEVENSON HENRY WILLIAM ANN V1849701 158/1849 STEVENSON ROBERT WILLIAM ANN In previous email 1st entries from BDM is deaths, 2nd two entries births. Kind regards, Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle

Hi Ross, From my books 1800 Muster Settlers List 1 Ref. S AA366 John Stevenson, 6pigs, Wheat 6, Maize 3, Off Stores, Where situated, Mulgave Place, Rents Farm. List 3 Ref X AC048, Ship Britania, Mary Bryan, No. of ticket 365, Where resident Parramatta, With whom or why allowed to be off John Stevenson. List 6 Ref. S AF390 Ticket number 388, John Stevenson New REf S AF 412 Ticket Number 409, John Stevenson New Governor Kings List 1801 List 4 Ship Name Date of Grant BD260 Albemarle John Stevenson May 1797 Acres held 30, Acres Cleared 12, Acres Wht/Mze 10, By whom settled Hunter, Hogs 20, Stores Family - Off 2. 1811 Ref 5571, Res. NSW, Status Convict, Male, John Stevenson, Arrived Coromandel, Dec 1799, Tried Surrey, Sentence 7yrs. (no mention of John Stevenson who arrived Albermarle. 1814 S 0093, John Stevenson, Res. Winsor, Ship Albemarle, Status Free, Stores Off, Remarks Landholder. S2127 John Stevenson Res Parramatta, ship Albemarle, status free, stores off, remarks Householder. S 2251 Parramatta , ship Coromandel, status free, Stores off, Remarks Labourer X1010 S = subject, X = other person. From book The Bicentenary Pioneer Regiser, 2nd Edt. John Stevenson Born c1769 Durham Arrived 27/7/1791, 'Albermarle' - Convict Married; Margaret Cornwall nee Stocker (GS) Children;- Helen b, 1/8/1813 Richmond d m 8/6/1830, St peters Richmond; Hnery Griffiths (BC) c - see Jonathon Griffiths William b 7/6/1815 Richmond General Muster 1822 Ref A20165 Stevenso John , FBS (Free by Serviture) Ship Albemarle , sentence 7 years, Occupation Landholder, Windsor. Have you got a copy of his death cert. May be it would be worth the cost to see which is your one. From NSWBDM's V1792296 148/1792 STEVENSON JOHN V1846676 31B/1846 STEVENSON JOHN AGE 77 V18461026 157/1846 STEVENSON JOHN AGE 77 V1815212 156/1815 STEVENSON WILLIAM JOHN MARGARET V184745 33A/1847 STEVENSON JEMIMA JOHN MARGARET I have Convicts to NSW 1788-1812 John Stevenson is listed as dying 1791, I will sned copies of the print outs, I feel that there must be some mix up of the records some how!! I have other convicts, indents etc on microfiche, I will look at them when I can. A John Stevenson is in the 1823, 1824 & 1825 General Muster Ref 41679 FS, Albemarle 1791 7 yrs landholder Richmond " 41680 FS, Albemarle 1791 7 yrs Publican Parramatta 1828 Census I can find no entry 1837 General Muster No entry Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle

Hi Leanne I really don't know for sure where he came from. Some suggestion is Lincoln and another vague one in Durham. Some suggestion is that he or his family originated from Scotland. Stevenson is certainly a name often found in Scotland. I found an entry of a Court record in the "Lincolnshire Links", where a John Stevenson was tried and sentenced to 7 years, transportation. The court trial date was 6/03/1790, he was aged 55 years, transported on the Britannia and recorded as "died on the Voyage" . Now if this was John and he died, I wouldn't be here, so this isn't correct. The age is also incorrect at 55 years as he would have had to be much younger (perhaps around 20 years) based on later records. The Court record of him being transported on the Britannia and dying on the voyage would have had to have been added later, much later than the Court case itself. His ship of transportation departed England about a year after the Court Case. First possibility. What is possible is that this is John Stevenson, perhaps about 21 years of age, transported on the Britannia and surviving the journey to arrive in PJ in October 1791, and sent to Richmond (or Windsor district). Second possibility. I think that the John Stevenson who was transported on the Albemarle died on the voyage and was buried at sea. The indent of convicts very kindly provided by Margaret M does not list a John Stevenson. If this was a list of arrivals and not of departures, then this by implication adds to the "Buried at Sea Report" But why do I keep finding records (Musters and 1828 census) of an arrival on the Albemarle. Which is correct? Perhaps you see my dilemma. Two John Stevensons. One died on the voyage of the second fleet in one ship and one man arrived, but which one? Regards Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > Hi Ross, > > Just a question for you. Did your Stevenson come from Lincoln and was he > sentenced for 7 years? > > Kind regards > Leanne Baulch > Canberra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle > > >> Hullo Meg >> >> The convict I am attempting to trace is my forebear, John Stevenson. >> >> There are no records of which I am aware of a John Stevenson ( of this >> exact spelling ) arriving on any ship in the first or second fleets, >> however there were two tried in 1790 and sent to PJ in 1791. >> >> I am advised that the John Stevenson who was sent on the Albemarle died >> and was buried at sea south of Perth. I would like to find some >> evidence. Therefore, if this is so, my John Stevenson must have travelled >> on another ship, possibly the Britannia, yet many of the early musters >> and the census of 1828 in PJ, record John Stevenson as arriving on the >> Albemarle. Is this just a clerical error or did John Stevenson try and >> hide his past or what? >> >> A person of this name arrived in the Greenhills area (Richmond) and >> lived, worked and produced a family and this is certainly my forebear. >> It is the link back to England that I am attempting to trace. >> >> Regards >> >> Ross >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Meg" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 10:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle >> >> >>> Ross and others. >>> >>> I can help you with names from the Albermarle 1791. >>> Perhaps you could give me some names. It would be very difficult to send >>> you names of all the convicts on that voyage >>> >>> Regards >>> Meg >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ross Sneddon" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:50 PM >>> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Albemarle >>> >>> >>>>I am searching for the indent for the Albemarle which arrived in PJ in >>>>1791 and /or more particularly those convicts who arrived and >>>>disembarked. >>>> >>>> I understand that the ship had a high death rate of about 36 including >>>> two mutineers who were hanged from the yard arm. >>>> >>>> Can anyone guide me please. >>>> >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> View and search Historical Newspapers. 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-----Original Message----- From: Robyn Cozens [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Shipping records for the St Helena 1854 Could someone help me track down where this ship came from and where it went to? I think it may have gone to Moreton Bay but I need to find confirmation of this and the actual dates as well if possible. Here's hoping someone can help me with this. Thanks Robyn