Hi Listers I have a family called Broadhurst arriving in Port Phillip in December 1852 aboard the 'Bombay'. I have this information from the Unassisted Shipping Index Fiche 20 Page 10. Does anyone know where I can check these records to see if there is any further information about this family. I ask because I have a family which arrived in Port Jackson aboard the 'Wilson Kennedy' and a very kind lady sent me a photocopied page with many more personal details on it. I've no idea how it was obtained. Kind regards Maureen Player

Wow! Brian that sure is some digging you have done to get this great explaination for 'seacunny' One would think that sailors would have been some of the earliest people to adopt words from other countries. Isn't it wonderful how the languages of the world are blending. But of course there are also some words that we can do without. Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian M Morley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Re: Occupation Sea-Cunny > Hi Leanne, > > SEACUNNY, s. This is, in the phraseology of the Anglo-Indian marine, a > steersman or quartermaster. The word is the Pers. sukkani, from Ar. > sukkan, > 'a helm.' > c. 1580.-"Aos Mocadões, Socões, e Vogas."-Primor e Honra, &c. f. 68v. ("To > the Mocuddums, Seacunnies, and oarsmen.") > > c. 1590.-"Sukkangir, or helmsman. He steers the ship according to the > orders > of the Mu'allim."-Ain, i. 280. > > Brian M Morley > Ipswich Queensland Australia > > > _____________________________ > "Genealogy is breaking bread with the dead"

A very big thankyou to all who replied to my queries. Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian M Morley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Occupation Sea-Cunny > Hi Leanne, > > SEACUNNY, s. This is, in the phraseology of the Anglo-Indian marine, a > steersman or quartermaster. The word is the Pers. sukkani, from Ar. > sukkan, > 'a helm.' > c. 1580.-"Aos Mocadões, Socões, e Vogas."-Primor e Honra, &c. f. 68v. ("To > the Mocuddums, Seacunnies, and oarsmen.") > > c. 1590.-"Sukkangir, or helmsman. He steers the ship according to the > orders > of the Mu'allim."-Ain, i. 280. > > Brian M Morley > Ipswich Queensland Australia > > > _____________________________ > "Genealogy is breaking bread with the dead" > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Leanne Baulch > Date: 07/14/05 19:07:10 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Occupation Sea-Cunny > > Hi everyone, > > I have been looking at a shipwreck passenger list and I came across a > crewman who's occupation on the ship was a sea-cunny. > Could anyone please explain to me what the occ is. > > Thankyou > Kind regards > Leanne Baulch > Canberra >

Hi Leanne, SEACUNNY, s. This is, in the phraseology of the Anglo-Indian marine, a steersman or quartermaster. The word is the Pers. sukkani, from Ar. sukkan, ‘a helm.’ c. 1580.—“Aos Mocadões, Socões, e Vogas.”—Primor e Honra, &c. f. 68v. (“To the Mocuddums, Seacunnies, and oarsmen.”) c. 1590.—“Sukkangir, or helmsman. He steers the ship according to the orders of the Mu’allim.”—Ain, i. 280. Brian M Morley Ipswich Queensland Australia _____________________________ "Genealogy is breaking bread with the dead" -------Original Message------- From: Leanne Baulch Date: 07/14/05 19:07:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Occupation Sea-Cunny Hi everyone, I have been looking at a shipwreck passenger list and I came across a crewman who's occupation on the ship was a sea-cunny. Could anyone please explain to me what the occ is. Thankyou Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra

Leanne, Seacunny - This is the phraseology of the Anglo Indian marine, a steerman or quartermaster. The word is Persian, sukkani, from Ar(abic) sukkhan a helm Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Occupation Sea-Cunny > Hi everyone, > > I have been looking at a shipwreck passenger list and I came across a > crewman who's occupation on the ship was a sea-cunny. > Could anyone please explain to me what the occ is. > > Thankyou > Kind regards > Leanne Baulch > Canberra > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Cherrie, Thankyou for your reply. That explanation ties in really well with this passenger list. I understand him being on this ship. Kind regards Leanne Baulch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cherrie Cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: RE: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Occupation Sea-Cunny > Leanne > My internet query provided > > "sea-cunny" - A steersman in vessels manned by Lascars in the East India > Country trade. > > Cherrie Cameron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leanne Baulch [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 7:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Occupation Sea-Cunny > > Hi everyone, > > I have been looking at a shipwreck passenger list and I came across a > crewman who's occupation on the ship was a sea-cunny. > Could anyone please explain to me what the occ is. > > Thankyou > Kind regards > Leanne Baulch > Canberra > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Leanne My internet query provided "sea-cunny" - A steersman in vessels manned by Lascars in the East India Country trade. Cherrie Cameron -----Original Message----- From: Leanne Baulch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 7:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Occupation Sea-Cunny Hi everyone, I have been looking at a shipwreck passenger list and I came across a crewman who's occupation on the ship was a sea-cunny. Could anyone please explain to me what the occ is. Thankyou Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi everyone, I have been looking at a shipwreck passenger list and I came across a crewman who's occupation on the ship was a sea-cunny. Could anyone please explain to me what the occ is. Thankyou Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra

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Hi I always believed the 1849 ship as per SLSA was the only possibility. And a Charles Cook was never found. This could be him after all this time! Do you have any other details? He was supposed to be from Bedfordshire Cheers Kathryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leanne Baulch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help with Ship arrival puzzle Cook 1852-1861 please > Hi Kate, > > I have a Charles Cook arriving on the Eliza August 20 1856 Southhampton to > Adelaide. > > Not sure if he is the one but you never know. > > Kind regards > Leanne Baulch > Canberra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul & Kathryn Lucas" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:30 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help with Ship arrival puzzle Cook 1852-1861 please > > > > Hi > > I have two ancestors > > Cook William and Cook Charles. > > > > William Cook married Louisa Richardson 1856 Penwortham witnesses George > > Wood > > Thomas Browning > > William Cook married Maria Kemp in Kaniva Victoria about 1861 > > > > Charles Cook married Isabella Robertson 1861 Upper Wakefield witnesses > > John > > Cook and Maria Cook > > (I believe this Maria Cook is likely to be 2nd wife of William Cook) So > > who > > is this John Cook? William possibly? > > > > In a newspaper article re death of Charles Cook's son in 1933 it states > > "Late William James Cook who was the son of Charles and Isabella Cook. His > > mother migrated on the ship Shakamaxon in 1853 and his father followed > > later from England" I have the Shakamaxon list. > > > >>From the SLSA records > > A Cook John and William arrived aboard Calphurnia April 1849. > > > > I have been unable to locate a Cook Charles arriving between 1852 to 1861. > > Any help greatly appreciated > > Cheers > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 6/07/05 > >

Hi Kate, I have a Charles Cook arriving on the Eliza August 20 1856 Southhampton to Adelaide. Not sure if he is the one but you never know. Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Kathryn Lucas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help with Ship arrival puzzle Cook 1852-1861 please > Hi > I have two ancestors > Cook William and Cook Charles. > > William Cook married Louisa Richardson 1856 Penwortham witnesses George > Wood > Thomas Browning > William Cook married Maria Kemp in Kaniva Victoria about 1861 > > Charles Cook married Isabella Robertson 1861 Upper Wakefield witnesses > John > Cook and Maria Cook > (I believe this Maria Cook is likely to be 2nd wife of William Cook) So > who > is this John Cook? William possibly? > > In a newspaper article re death of Charles Cook's son in 1933 it states > "Late William James Cook who was the son of Charles and Isabella Cook. His > mother migrated on the ship Shakamaxon in 1853 and his father followed > later from England" I have the Shakamaxon list. > >>From the SLSA records > A Cook John and William arrived aboard Calphurnia April 1849. > > I have been unable to locate a Cook Charles arriving between 1852 to 1861. > Any help greatly appreciated > Cheers > Kate > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi everybody I am returning to my family history research with added passion after some years break. I am trying once again to find out how and when my great grandfather ( MATTHEW JOHN FITZPATRICK) arrived in Oz. I have checked the 1841 census and the Indexes to Assisted Immigrants, 1839-96...and he is not listed. He was married in 1857 and was born in Ireland. Has anyone got any thoughts on where else i can look to solve the riddle... Many thanks Sue

Hi Katrina, Yes I found that it can freeze up at times. They are having trouble with the "Digital Copies" and are trying to rectify this. So this may have some bearing also. I have the CD Australasian Genealogical Computer Index, and there are the following entries. Now whether this is the same person, you would need to look at the details from the given sources. Thomas Gibson, Place Sydney, NSW Date 04 Mar 1854 Event Mariner Source Shipping record Held by State Records of NSW Reference Reel 399, Phantom. Thomas Gibson, Place Sydney, NSW Date 02 Jan 1856 Event Mariner Source Shipping record Held by State Records of NSW Reference Reel 401, Blue Belt. Thomas Gibson, Place Sydney, NSW Date 14 May 1860 Event Mariner Source Shipping record Held by State Records of NSW Reference Reel 408, Urara Thomas Gibson, Place Manning River, NSW Date 22 Jun 1865 Event Unspecified Source Newspaper Held by Manning Valley Historical Society Inc. There are a few entries for a Thomas Gibson. Nothing about one on ship "Harriett" Another mariner in 1881 Thomas Gibson, Place Sydney, NSW Date 08 Jul 1881 Event Mariner Source Shipping record Held by State Records of NSW Reference Reel 447, Sophie. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katrina" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Finding ancestor "lost at sea" (NSW) 1852

Hello Dianna, North Logan is near Cowra and there are Starr families still living in the area. Quick search of the Telstra on line White Pages should produce a few names for you. Hope this helps. Ron Norton Gordon ACT [email protected] VET anti-virus protected ----- Original Message ----- From: "dianna charles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Washington Irving Hi I'm doing research into my Great G. Grandfather Charles Starr who arrived on the Washington Irving in September 1857 from England aged 22. He ended up in North Logan Station where he married Maria Jane Goody in 1861. I'm not sure if North Logan is in Cowra or Corowa. I wanted to know can I find any other information on Charles Starr after he arrived. I just received his marriaged certificate and there is very little information on it. Any help or advice much appreciated Dianna ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 149 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

Hi I'm doing research into my Great G. Grandfather Charles Starr who arrived on the Washington Irving in September 1857 from England aged 22. He ended up in North Logan Station where he married Maria Jane Goody in 1861. I'm not sure if North Logan is in Cowra or Corowa. I wanted to know can I find any other information on Charles Starr after he arrived. I just received his marriaged certificate and there is very little information on it. Any help or advice much appreciated Dianna

-----> > I found the site > http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html to be > difficult to > navigate, very slow and freezes up frequently. > Hi Katrina I have no probs with this site accept the text can be occasionally hard to read but I feel that has more to do with the original copy Maybe its the version of Adobe Acrobat you have ? I have ver 6 Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Many thanks to Maureen, Jenny, Lynne and Marg for your very helpful info. I've plenty to keep me occupied now! Will let the list know of any success. I found the site http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html to be difficult to navigate, very slow and freezes up frequently. Best wishes, Katrina > >Hello, > >I've found a reference to my ancestor Thomas Gibson, being lost at sea between Sydney >and Newcastle in Sept 1852. He was listed in various documents as a sea captain and >master mariner. The vessel was described as his schooner "Harrieff" which could be >"Harriett". I've searched Google with no luck, apart from the first reference, which >is at a site by someone who is from an American branch and hasn't yet replied to my >email. > >I can't find a death entry for Thomas and was wondering if there was anywhere else >such death records may be found. Thomas married Jane Eastcott in Sydney, 1842. Jane >remarried in 1854. I suppose newspapers of the day might be the only record of the >vessel being lost. > >I'm guessing he was a local mariner but don't know that. I don't know where Thomas >was born. > >Here's hoping someone has a clue... > >Best wishes, >Katrina > > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Hello from Melbourne . I wonder if anyone can assist with my problem. My Grandfather, Percy Harold Ryton BENSON is known to have been a Ship's Stoker in June 1907. By April 1908 he was in Queensland when my Grandmother and family arrived on R.M.S. "OROTAVA" I see 3 possibilities: Percy "Jumped" ship in Australia Worked his passage here Came here as a passenger, Hence my query to this list Cheers, Bob.

Hi Katrina, Not sure if any of the following will be of help. http://ceinternet.com.au/~rgow/hrg%20index Hunter River Gazette newspaper 1841-42 index Ship - "Harriett" I have from Ronald Parsons book a couple of entries Harriet; W1m Ctr, 15t, 44.6 x 10.8 x 4.1, B. 1840 Hunter River, NSW. 1 deck, round stern, clinker build. Lost as per list of 1852. Owners: Mary Korff, reg. Sydney 73/1841; July 1846 James Paddon, reg. Sydney 62/1846. Harriet; W 2m sch, 43t, 47.0 x 15.5 x 8.0. B. 1840 Manning River, NSW. Lost, but entry undated. (missing. Left Sydney early April 1844 for Newcastle but failed to arrive). Owners: John Lord & Edye Manning, reg. Sydney 69/1840: Nov. 1841 E. Manning. Harriett; W 1m Ctr, 30& 3041/3500ths. 38.2 x 13.3 x 7.8, B.1843 Christopher Browne, Moruya, NSW. 1 & !/4 dks, square stern. Lost as per list of 1852. (wrecked Richmond River bar, May 1851). Owners: Thomas Lewis, reg. Sydney 1/1844: Feb 1844 A. Elywood, marshall of Vice Admiralty Court. June 1844 John Browne: June 1846 George Marsden, reg. Sydney 56/1846. This is the only info given. Details of Shipe Registered in Australian & New Zealand Ports before 1850 Compiled by Ronald Parsons from the records of the registrars of British Ships. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katrina" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Finding ancestor "lost at sea" (NSW) 1852 > > Hello, > > I've found a reference to my ancestor Thomas Gibson, being lost at sea > between Sydney > and Newcastle in Sept 1852. He was listed in various documents as a sea > captain and > master mariner. The vessel was described as his schooner "Harrieff" which > could be > "Harriett". I've searched Google with no luck, apart from the first > reference, which > is at a site by someone who is from an American branch and hasn't yet > replied to my > email.

Hi Michele, Have had a look on National Archives Australia http://www.naa.gov.au/ but can not find anything. They are updating the site all the time so keep checking. or contact the Archives. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Dasey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] ss bendigo >I was wondering if someone could confirm if my grandmother Gladys Swarbrick >Knight her son Kenneth Knight aged 2 and sister Edna Dawson travelled on >the SS Bendigo from England to Australia. I have an envelope in her writing >"Arrived Australia Bendigo June 28 1928" and thats as much information >that anyone has. > Hoping you can help > Thanks > Michele > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >