Hi Julia, Found the following by using Steve Morse's list http://www.stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html The following is for 1914-1915 just put in 1913 and the ship arrived that year as well. Hope you find it helpful. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney http://stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.cgi?series=&rollStart=&rollEnd=&volumeStart=&volumeEnd=&monthStart=&dayStart=&yearStart=1914&monthEnd=&dayEnd=&yearEnd=1915&boatkind=starts&boat=Noordam&offset=1&portkind=starts&port=&pageSize=50&database=all&auth= ----- Original Message ----- From: "j P" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] "Noordam" > Hopefully some -one can help me out here. SS/Noordam or just Noordam > which one I don't know was to have travelled to the States in 1913 > according to Ellis Island Records, but I have not been able to find any > reference to that. > Can some -body please help.? > Julia > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Messenger 7.0: Free worldwide PC to PC calls > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hopefully some -one can help me out here. SS/Noordam or just Noordam which one I don't know was to have travelled to the States in 1913 according to Ellis Island Records, but I have not been able to find any reference to that. Can some -body please help.? Julia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Messenger 7.0: Free worldwide PC to PC calls

Hello from Melbourne. Google did not help me this time. Can anyone please tell me how much it would have cost in 1908 for a passage London to Australia. adult and child? Thank you Cheers, Bob

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] shipping > Hi Wen, > From Victorian records there are the following > Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page > HOLMBERG ---- MR A DEC 1881 SURAT F 193 002 > HOLMBERG G A MR 49 FEB 1885 DE BAY F 215 001 > HOLMBERG JOHAN 27 OCT 1888 IBERIA B 505 004 > > > > I do not have arrivals for Tas. > > Maybe he went from Vic. to Tasmania? > Kind regards, > Lynne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rabbit Patch" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:29 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] shipping >

Hi List Can any one find where Karl Marcus Ingemar Holmberg can to Australia or Tasmania ? He was born in 1863 Ostersund Sweden, married Margaret Jane Ryan 8th Feb 1888 in Launceston Tasmania Australia.' Tack Wen Steer Tasmania Australia

Hi Reg, Welcome aboard - try this site: Encyclopedia of Australian Shipwrecks http://oceans1.customer.netspace.net.au/easw.html Maureen in Sydney -----Original Message----- From: reg hoare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Shipwrecks I am new to this site and was wondering if there is a site for shipwrecks around Australia as I have a relative who survived one between 1869 and 1886.

-----Original Message----- From: reg hoare [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Shipwrecks I am new to this site and was wondering if there is a site for shipwrecks around Australia as I have a relative who survived one between 1869 and 1886. Regards Reg Hoare

The Story Tellers....we are the chosen... or why I am so fascinated ("obsessed") with Genealogy My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the story tellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who am I and why do I do the things I do? It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying I can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them; so we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, Because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That, is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones.

Hello Chris, There is considerable info about this Voyage ( a John Dunmore LANG sponsored project) in the late Ian Wynd's "Balla-wein" I believe) on the Geelong Mailing list... in particular .. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/AUS-VIC-GEELONG-DISTRICT/2004-01/1073772926 http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdbksrc1.asp trust this helps, J kfarrow wrote: > Dear Listers, Does anyone know where there is a passenger list of the > ship Larpent which arrived to Victoria in 1849? > Some of these ships are a mystery! > Regards Chris > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > . > -- John Whitehand West Footscray 3012 Australia http://www.vicnet.net.au/~whitehaj/welcome.htm "Competition destroys ~ 'tis Co-operation that achieves"

Dear Listers, Does anyone know where there is a passenger list of the ship Larpent which arrived to Victoria in 1849? Some of these ships are a mystery! Regards Chris

Immigration. Help please anyone. We would like to find out where/when this g/grandfather arrived in Australia.A sailor from Sweden. The bargee was caring baltic pine early 1860-1888. Personal Information: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOLMBERG, INGEMER OR Ingomar Gender: Male Birth: 1863 - Marriage/Relationship: 1888 - LAUNCESTON,Tasmania ( to MARGARET JANE RYAN ) Baptist Church York Street Launceston 7320 Australia Death: Family Information: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Siblings No Siblings found in this search Children TASP Family Name Other Names Year Of Birth 159150 HOLMBERG CHARLES MARCUS 1891 159151 HOLMBERG AGNES TERESA 1893 159152 HOLMBERG FLORENCE AUGUSTA 1897 159153 HOLMBERG EMMA CHRISTINA 1895 2004 HOLMBERG BERTRAND CALEXTIS HOLMBERG 1901 TASMANIA AUSTRALIA 2005 HOLMBERG CECILY HOLMBERG --married Albert Lockett Wen Steer Post Office Box U62 BURNIE 7320 TASMANIA AUSTRALIA

Listers I need some help. I have Susan McGrath marrying in Cambewarra 1855 aged 19. Her death cert tells me that she died aged 60 1897 and had been 43 years in the colony daughter of Edward and Catherine McGrath. She was born Dunmore Ireland. I can not find an entry to N S W So Im looking for a Susan McGrath arriving aged approx 18 approx. 1854. I have checked convicts and immigration online. Nothing as yet and no trace of parents entering at that time Her parents were Edward McGrath and Catherine Corrigan any help would be appreciated Christene

--------------Boundary-00=_LWBIBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I thought that you may be interested in the attached article - "The Art & Mysterie of the Currier" Brian M Morley Ipswich Queensland Australia _________________________________ "Genealogy is breaking bread with the dead" -------Original Message------- From: wolfflow Date: 10/17/05 15:57:48 To: [email protected] Subject: currier Hi List, The occupation is listed as a currier? James Steer 36 yrs England. Still Lookinf for INGEMER HOLMBERG Wen Steer _____________________________ --------------Boundary-00=_LWBIBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Art & Mystery of the Currier.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ‘Art and Mysterie’ of the Currier With grateful thanks to S Drummond, the author of this article. First published in the Family Tree Magazine Volume 11, No. 11 September 1995 Man has worn leather since the beginning of recorded history. Thousands of our ancestors were employed in the trade. Hats, gloves, shoes, boots, jackets, jerkins and trousers were popularly made of leather, particularly from medieval times until the 19th century. There was also a huge demand for riding and farming equipment made from the material. The trade changed with the arrival of synthetic fabrics and the decline of horse transport, but leather is still important in the luxury market today. Craftsmen developed skills associated with different aspects of the trade. Some still exist today, such as those of the tanner, cobbler and saddler. Other skills, such as those of the Cordwainer and Currier, do not. For many years they were all interlinked, each craftsman dependent on the skills of the others for his living. The trade of currying was a vital part of the early leather industry. Currying was the name given to the process of stretching and finishing tanned leather, thus, rendering it supple and strong for the use of a saddler or cobbler. The name Currier is believed to be taken from the Latin term ‘corium’. The corium is the central skin layer between the outer epidermis and the flesh underneath, made up of a complex series of fibres. The make up of this layer dictates the difference in texture between leathers. Traditionally, animal skins were cured by treating them with animal fat. This stage was followed by leaving them stretched out to dry, either in the sun or before a fire. In Britain, due to the climate, the skin was normally dried in front of a fire. This basic system was in use thousands of years before Christ and was still used on buffalo skins by North American Indians in the late 1800’s. Medieval Europeans improved upon these methods and those tradesmen skilled in the methods of making skins into a flexible, durable material, grew in importance. To understand the role performed by the Currier, it is necessary to look at the earlier stages in the leather-making process. An animal skin was first delivered to a tannery, generally located in a town. There it was soaked and cleaned of any remnants of animal tissue. The skin then underwent the "liming" procedure, where it was repeatedly washed and left in a solution of quick lime to increase absorbency. After being cut to a suitable size, the skin was placed in successive tanks of progressively stronger tanning solution. The solution used for tanning was traditionally made from oak bark.  The unfinished leather now passed to the Currier, whose craft was to transform the stiff material into a pliant, workable material for the final craftsman to transform into the finished product. Curriers were found in many villages, indeed sometimes the Currier was also the local shoemaker. The art of currying leather was hard manual labour, needing great skill and a range of special hand tools. The Currier worked on a variety of hides, principally ox, cow, calf, goat, sheep, pig and deer. He may have occasionally dressed squirrel and rabbit. The hide was first stretched on a variety of different frames, depending on the type of leather to be curried. The Currier would gradually tighten the frame, notch by notch, from every direction until satisfied that the hide was as taut as possible. Another method of stretching the skin was by using an implement resembling a mangle or rack, where a handle was turned, gradually tightening the material. Once stretched, the tanned leather was washed and scrubbed. This part of the process was demanding physical labour, to soften the hide. The Currier then went to work with a ‘sleeker’, a short bladed knife. The sleeker forced the remaining tanning fluid from the hide. The skin was then ready to be dressed, to make it smooth, waterproof, strong and flexible. The inner side of the skin was made more even by the use of a currying knife or ‘shave’. The blade of this knife ran at right angles to the handle, thus enabling it to be worked like a wood plane, shaving the surface of the leather. This part of the process called for great skill and judgement. Too steep a cut could render a valuable hide worthless. (Four pairs of crossed shaves, and a single shave held aloft, now form prominent features on the coat of arms of the Worshipful Company of Curriers.) The currying knife was also used for the delicate task of splitting the leather into different widths. Of course, the thickness required was dictated by the purpose for which the leather was intended. The suppler split leather was used for the uppers of shoes and boots. The heavier leather from the ‘butt’ or backbone of the skin was used for soles. Once it had been trimmed to a suitable size and thickness, the Currier actually carried out the process of currying. That is, massaging into the leather equal quantities of beef tallow and cod liver oil. Once curried, leather could be used for a wider range of purposes, and also stained or dyed. The work of British Curriers was held in high esteem throughout Europe. Like most rural trades, currying often became a family tradition with skills passed from father to son. The finished product was frequently taken by other members of the family, living in the same village, for crafting into shoes, gloves, belts or some such. The craft was practised in villages across the whole of Britain. When an ancestor is found showing his trade as Currier in a census return, it is likely that other family members will be engaged in the leather trade. Although places like Glastonbury in Somerset and the Northampton area developed into centres of the leather industry, smaller cottage leather treatment works could be found across the length and breadth of the country.  In London, at the end of the 16th century, there was a Currier’s Lane off Fleet Street, another off Bristol Street and a Currier’s Arms Inn Yard in Goswell Street. The majority of London Curriers appear to have resided in the Farringdon Road and Fleet Street area. It was necessary to serve a seven year apprenticeship before following the trade. The apprentice Currier was bound similarly to those in other professions. It was stated that, Until a man grows unto the age of 23 years, he has not grown unto the full knowledge of the trade he professes. The apprentice lived with the family, being fed, housed and clothed by his master. He could not qualify until submitting a proof-piece of his work for inspection. Many of the apprenticeship records survive today, providing records of both master and apprentice Curriers. The earliest record of currying in England is in the City of London Coroner’s Roll for 9 February 1276. This covers an inquest into the death of a Currier’s wife living off Newgate Street, London. She apparently died as a result of a broken leg after falling down drunk in the street! By the 14th century, Curriers were men of importance, but had no independent trade guild. Their prosperity was due in part to the demand for leather from soldiers engaged in wars with France and Scotland. Leather was used to link plates of armour, as well as for items of soldier’s clothing. The earliest rules of the trade were recorded in 1300. These laid down the maximum prices a Currier could charge a skinner for the dressing of skins. Four ‘searchers’ were empowered to enforce these rules, one of whom was a Currier. Any Currier charging too much would have a fine imposed by these four men, according to the degree of transgression. As an example, the Currier could not take more than 7 pence for dressing the skins of a hundred ‘scrimpyns’ (a skin of inferior quality to that of the rabbit). In 1485, during the reign of Henry VII, further laws for the trade were laid down. Leather discovered improperly ‘tanned, sealed and curried’, could result in the Currier facing five days in jail and a 20-shilling fine - 10 for the King and 10 to the wronged party. If a Currier should carry out the tanning of a skin, he faced a fine of 6 shillings and 8 pence for each skin so treated. In 1559, Parliament passed an Act affecting the leather industry, designed to improve standards and stop some improper practices. Curriers were forbidden the use of ‘stale uryne or any other deceipfull or subtill mixture’ to cure hides. No leather was to be stripped too thinly or sold with a blemish. Fines and forfeits were entered on the statute book. The Curriers had to wait until 1583 before they were granted arms, which, not surprisingly, featured the curry knife as the centrepiece. Then, in the 17th century, James I incorporated the Currier’s Guild. This gave the trade powers of search and inspection within the City of London, thus enabling it to enforce craft standards. The Curriers formed their own City of London Livery Company. The original charter, dating from 30 April 1605, is preserved at Guildhall. This lays down rules and regulations for Curriers belonging to the Livery Company, including such statutes as  a ‘fine of 4 pence a day with meat and drink from the Master, if a Journeyman be unemployed through the Master’s default’ and a fine of 6 pence for the journeyman if he should absent himself from work. The charters, books and records of the company, appertaining to London Curriers, were deposited with Guildhall Library for safekeeping in 1950. The Company published bye-laws on 4 June 1605. These imposed fines for poor workmanship, and standardised regulations for premises where currying may be carried out. They should be ‘fitting and convenient for the use of the said art.’ Work on leather had to cease at noon on Saturday and the afternoon had to be employed in cleaning houses, sharpening tools and ‘grayning and shaving of boote legges against the next working day’. The early history of the Curriers can be researched at Guildhall Library, the Public Records Office and the British Museum. Names are listed in letterbooks, journals, coroner’s rolls, Plea and Memoranda Rolls, Wills of the Court of Husting and Court Minutes of the Livery Company. The trade steadily declined in the early part of this century. In Suffolk, for example, White’s Directory listed 40 Curriers working in 1844. By 1922 only eight remained. At the start of the Second World War there were none. The process of currying still takes place today. Leather still needs to be supple, durable and the right texture for the finishing process. However, today currying has been largely incorporated into the tanning stage and no separate trade exists. The heavy physical task of treating the skin is now carried out by machine, except in the case of certain high value goods, which are still hand finished. Generally speaking, the arrival of the machine age effectively killed off the trade.  --------------Boundary-00=_LWBIBHK0000000000000--

Hi List, The occupation is listed as a currier? James Steer 36 yrs England. Still Looking for INGEMER HOLMBERG Wen Steer

Hi List, The occupation is listed as a currier? James Steer 36 yrs England. Still Lookinf for INGEMER HOLMBERG Wen Steer

Hi Bob, Maria Somes (600); 5 3 52; 6 7 52; 123; G Coward; 280 6d SF could mean Same Family, Step Father bv born on voyage. I assume you have the list from State records NSW. It shows the following which probably relates to your question. a.. Where the individual has a different surname from that of the head of family, one of two references has been used. These are "travelling with" followed by the head of family's surname and initial, and "stepfather" followed by the head of family's surname and initial. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/search_1656.asp see indexing procedures. again assume this is the family BAUCHOP Duncan 29 and family Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 BAUCHOP Male inft bv and family Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 BAUCHOP Robina 39 and family Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 DICKSON Agnes 16 sf BAUCHOP, D Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 DICKSON Jane 9 sf BAUCHOP, D Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 DICKSON Nichola 14 sf BAUCHOP, D Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 DICKSON William 11 sf BAUCHOP, D Maria Somes 1852 2136, 2463 The following Queensland site is great for information http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Maria Somes

Hi List New to this list so expecting great things!!! Anybody able to point me in the right direction as to where I can look up the passenger list for the 1852 voyage of the Maria Somes. I have the on-line printoff but there is an abbreviation of "sf" before the name of another passenger, which I cannot work out. Any suggestions?? Regards Bob

Trying to locate the arrival of Anne Elizabeth LARKIN (nee BRENNAN) most probably from Calcutta, India to Hobart Tasmania. Anne was married to a John McGUIRE in Calcutta c. 1841 and remarried Patrick LARKIN also in Calcutta. She married my g grandfather Patrick HOGAN in Hobart 8th April 1854 (permission to marry dated 14/4/1853, free person), so arrived before this time. She had 1 child with McGUIRE and 6 children with LARKIN and some of these most probably accompanied her on the voyage. Hoping someone may be able to tell me where I might locate any information. Thank you.

----- Original Message ----- From: "LilianFraser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Fowler Family Which Ship Hi Lillian When you subscribe to any Roots mailing list you do get an acceptance email giving you what to do next info General rules of thum : Use meaningful subject headers, which you did. Type normally , using some punctuation , which you did Type surnames only in all caps aka FOWLER , which you wouldnt have known about When you reply there is no need to return someones complete email , just edit it leaving enough text in place so as you can follow the 'conversation' When posting on foreign or any mailing lists give clue to your location ...... which you did So you are doing OK ....so far ! . I am > finding it impossible to find/access any sites that will > give me passenger lists for Australia in the late 1800 > and early mid nineteen hundreds. When endevouring to research Australian records a bit of historical knowledge helps ........ Really was no such place as Australia until 1 Jan 1901 when a loose collection of Colonies joined into a Federation of States Immigration record keeping was a State fuction til about 1926 when the Federal Goverment took over Recording of BDM records was and still is a State function Censuses have been taken regularly here BUT once the stats were retrieved the actual papar work was destroyed Where & approx when did this FOWLER family go to here , & what where their names I bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Gudday You can start here http://www.list.jaunay.com/ausnzpassengers/ http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/Family_History/immigration/passenger_lists.html#search If you post the persons known full names and a time guesstimate, I or some one else may be able to assist you further. Regards Chris Gray (your lucky to have silver hair mine is just white) ----- Original Message ----- From: "LilianFraser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Fowler Family Which Ship > Hi all > > Please forgive the stupidity, but I have only just joined this site. I am > finding it impossible to find/access any sites that will give me passenger > lists for Australia in the late 1800 and early mid nineteen hundreds. I > could not even work out how to post a letter on the site!!! Could anyone > help me? > > Thank you > > Lilian Fraser (a senile silver surfer) researching DOLLMAN