G'day Bob, A couple of Observations ! Two distinct facilities existed.. 1. Immigrant Depot- Situated nr Spencer & Lt Bourke Essentially as a short term" labour agency" or transitory accommodation for Passengers awaiting passage to other ports. ( Charges/Conditions would be very much dependant on the period) "Upon their arrival, the Hopes were permitted to remain in an immigrant depot after they had disembarked. In Melbourne these were situated in King Street, Princes Bridge, Carlton and Batman's Hill, although it is not known where the Hopes stayed. They were allowed to stay until they had secured employment, but this usually involved a maximum stay of around 10 days. Strict rules governed this accommodation which forbade alcohol, fraternisation and fires and lights after 9.00pm. The inmates could not refuse a job offer and were expected to rise at 7.00am for muster and perform given duties till breakfast at 9.00am. Usually the rest of the day was free. Disobedience of these rules meant dismissal from the depot. Several passengers on board the /S.S. Atalanta/ were dismissed from the depot, some being absent from the morning muster and some for being drunk." 2. Immigrants Home(s) Initially Drummond/Rathdowne Sts/Elm Tree Place Sth Carlton and Later St Kilda Rd opposite the old Police Barracks(Grant St) largely for people "Down on their Luck" Fascination Reading... The Vagabond Papers ** <http://www.elizabethsbookshop.com.au/product_detail.php?pg=7&id=147>*VAGABOND* *PAPERS*, THE - James, John Stanley; ed by Michael Cannon Melbourne University Press - Hope this is a help... bfn John Bob Cunning wrote: >Hello, I am trying to find out some information on Immigration depots in Melbourne. For a man ''going on own means'' his wife and family, was there a linit as to how long they could stay in the depot. Also, were they charged a rental? > >Cheers, Bob in Melbourne > > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >. > > > -- John Whitehand West Footscray 3012 Australia http://www.vicnet.net.au/~whitehaj/welcome.htm "Competition destroys ~ 'tis Co-operation that achieves"

Hello John. Thanks very much for your informative message, that give me a start. Cheers, Bob in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Whitehand" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Immigration depots > G'day Bob, > A couple of Observations ! > Two distinct facilities existed.. > 1. Immigrant Depot- Situated nr Spencer & Lt Bourke Essentially as a > short term" labour agency" or transitory accommodation for Passengers > awaiting passage to other ports. ( Charges/Conditions would be very much > dependant on the period) > "Upon their arrival, the Hopes were permitted to remain in an immigrant > depot after they had disembarked. In Melbourne these were situated in > King Street, Princes Bridge, Carlton and Batman's Hill, although it is > not known where the Hopes stayed. They were allowed to stay until they > had secured employment, but this usually involved a maximum stay of > around 10 days. Strict rules governed this accommodation which forbade > alcohol, fraternisation and fires and lights after 9.00pm. The inmates > could not refuse a job offer and were expected to rise at 7.00am for > muster and perform given duties till breakfast at 9.00am. Usually the > rest of the day was free. Disobedience of these rules meant dismissal > from the depot. Several passengers on board the /S.S. Atalanta/ were > dismissed from the depot, some being absent from the morning muster and > some for being drunk." > 2. Immigrants Home(s) Initially Drummond/Rathdowne Sts/Elm Tree Place > Sth Carlton and Later St Kilda Rd opposite the old Police > Barracks(Grant St) largely for people "Down on their Luck" > Fascination Reading... The Vagabond Papers > ** > <http://www.elizabethsbookshop.com.au/product_detail.php?pg=7&id=147>*VAGABO ND* > *PAPERS*, THE - James, John Stanley; ed by Michael Cannon Melbourne > University Press - > > > Hope this is a help... > bfn > John

Researching for information on the attritubets and type of vessel on the Woodstock, arrived in Port Adelaide 12-7-1851 from Liverpol departing 25-3-1851

Hello, I am trying to find out some information on Immigration depots in Melbourne. For a man ''going on own means'' his wife and family, was there a linit as to how long they could stay in the depot. Also, were they charged a rental? Cheers, Bob in Melbourne

Hi List, Did some families immigrate separately? Dr Thomas WILSON b.1815 in Ireland. Married Margaret LOWRY in Ireland in 1838. He arrived at Port Phillip on 7 June 1841 on the Frankfield. He was ships surgeon on the voyage. There is no Margaret Wilson on the Frankfield. I think she may have sailed to Port Phillip on the George Fyffe arriving in July 1841? They had a daughter Eliza b.1839 in Ireland. I cannot find her in Australia at all. Have any Listers any advice about tying the family together? I will appreciate any advice. Many thanks Marj

Hello Lynne Many thanks for your information - by the look it seems they arrived in Melbourne on the Iberia in Oct 1887. How can I access the records please? Thank you for the births and deaths which I had - should have mentioned this when posting. The boy born in 1890 turns up in Crossley and Porter Orphanage and Parish Church, Halifax, West Yorkshire in 1901 Census, aged 11 years. So, now need ship he returned to England on - with or without his parents who either died in Australia or on return to England. Thanks once again. Regards Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Radford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ship sailed from Liverpool to Melbourne or Sydney 19 Sep 1887 > Hi Joanne, > The following are Ship arrivals to NSW in the time frame you give. > ORIENT 10 12 1887 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 > LUSITANIA 21 01 1888 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 > AUSTRAL 20 02 1888 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 > CUZCO 03 04 1888 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 > ORIZABA 14 05 1888 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 > AUSTRAL 26 06 1888 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 > CUZCO 06 08 1888 Sydney ... ... > AL 2143 >

-----Original Message----- From: Rabbit Patch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:46 AM To: 'List Admin' Subject: RE: {not a subscriber} HOLMBERG Hi List Admin, Why does the subject line have {not a subscriber} in it? Wen Steer -----Original Message----- From: List Admin [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: {not a subscriber} HOLMBERG -----Original Message----- From: Rabbit Patch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} HOLMBERG Hi List, Can any one find where Karl Marcus Ingemar Holmberg came to Australia or Tasmania ? He was born in 1863 Ostersund Sweden, married Margaret Jane Ryan 8th Feb 1888 in Launceston Tasmania Australia.' Cheers Wen Steer Tasmania Australia ______________________________ ______________________________

Hi Joanne, The following are Ship arrivals to NSW in the time frame you give. ORIENT 10 12 1887 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 LUSITANIA 21 01 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 AUSTRAL 20 02 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 CUZCO 03 04 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 ORIZABA 14 05 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 AUSTRAL 26 06 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 CUZCO 06 08 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 ORIZABA 17 09 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 ORMUZ 12 11 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 LUSITANIA 27 12 1888 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 OROYA 07 01 1889 Sydney ... ... AL 2143 The reels of Agent's Immigration Lists [AL] cover the following AL reel 2143: Bounty Immigrants from November 1884-January 1896 Some possible from Victorian site http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm ? LEE ---- MR 31 DEC 1888 MASSILIA B 507 002 These look possible LEE J C A OCT 1887 IBERIA B 489 017 LEE J C MR 28 OCT 1887 IBERIA B 489 012 LEE ---- MRS 26 OCT 1887 IBERIA B 489 012 LEE ---- MRS A OCT 1887 IBERIA B 489 017 Nothing matching on State records NSW for their arrival. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/ Log of Logs By Ian Nicholson IBERIA SS 4689t, of Orient Line. 1887 London, 16/9 - Suez-KGS - Melbourne, 28/10, & Sydney. + diary by A E Roberts, pass. * La Trobe Library, Melbourne, MS PA 88/49 + Paper, Illustrated Iberian. Vol. 1.1-5, 5-10 Oct *Mitchell Library, Sydney, B 1179. from http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/pacific.html Iberia 1873 1880-1890 Orient Line Australia service, 1903 scrapped. 4,671 Iberia 1873 1881-1883 standby vessel, 1883-1890 Orient Line Australia service. 4,689 They must have settled in Victoria From Digger- Federation Adelaide Mary Lee Birth 1889 Father Joseph Calwell Mother Mary Avaran Crosse Place Fitzroy North Reg. No. 1889/12140 Adelaide Mary Lee Death Age 11 M Father Jos Calwell Mother Mary Avaran Crosse Place Fitz S Year 1890 Reg. 1914 Jos Calwell Lee Birth 1890 Father Jos Calwell Mother Mary Avaran Crosse Place NUMURKAH Reg. No 15884 That is all I can find. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne and Ron Flack" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ship sailed from Liverpool to Melbourne or Sydney 19 Sep 1887

Hi everyone, Could anyone give me an idea where these 2 places are? I noticed a lot of ships were shipwrecked around Algoa Bay and I have never heard of Phoebes Island until looking through my disc. Kind regards Leanne baulch Canberra

Hi Bob, I have a copy of the passenger list of Maria Somes if you need any help. Kind regards Leanne Baulch Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Maria Somes > Hi List > > New to this list so expecting great things!!! Anybody able to point me in > the right direction as to where I can look up the passenger list for the > 1852 voyage of the Maria Somes. I have the on-line printoff but there is > an abbreviation of "sf" before the name of another passenger, which I > cannot work out. > > Any suggestions?? > > Regards > Bob > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Thank you ever so much Lynne. Your help is wonderfull. Have been to the web site. But its closed for mantanace. Have put inot farourites. Will try again later. Thank you very much Happiness Peggy & Max Henson Swan Hill Victoria Australia new email address as from the 5th Dec, [email protected] ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 107 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now!

Dear Listers I am new to this List, and am researching the Lee family from Manchester. Joseph Calwell Lee and his wife Mary Avaran (Crosse) Lee, married 18 Sep 1887 Manchester, sailed the next day from Liverpool to Australia. I am searching for the ship they would have sailed on. Is there any way of finding out the name/names of ships that sailed that day from Liverpool please? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Joanne Wyee NSW AUS

Hi Peggy, EBBA BRAHE - 1858 Master: Captain R. Jones Rigging: Ship; sheathed in felt and yellow metal in 1856; partly fastened with iron bolts Tonnage: 1,437 tons Construction: 1852 in Québec, using Elm, Tamarack, Pine, Oak & Spruce; repairs to damages in 1853 Owners: J. De Wolf Port of registry: Liverpool Port of survey: London Voyage: sailed for Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~copestake/ebbabrah.html http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1855/01/065ebb.htm Ship Years Publication Pages EBBA BRAHE Eames, Aled; Ships and Seamen of Anglesey 237 EBBA BRAHE 1852-1859 Eames, Aled; Ventures in Sail 71, 139, A LEFT ENG DEV PLYMOUTH 14 Oct 1854 'EBBA BRAHE' : ARRIVED AUS NSW SYDNEY 6 Jan 1855 'EBBA BRAHE' EBBA BRAHE 06 01 1855 Botany Bay ... ... AL 2137 Ebba Brahe 1857 Ireland to Melbourne CHANCE - 1853/1860 Master: Captain A. Hayes (1853); Captain W. Perkin (1860) Rigging: Ship; sheathed in felt and yellow metal in 1852 & 1856; partly fastened with iron bolts Tonnage: 920 tons using old measurements and 1,049 tons using new measurements Construction: 1851 in New Brunswick, using Hackmatac, Birch, Oak & Pine Owners: Coltart & Co. Port of registry: Liverpool Port of survey: Liverpool Voyage: sailed for Melbourne (1853); Australia (1860) CHANCE - 1856 Master: Captain R. Macgarr Rigging: Bark Tonnage: 465 tons using old measurements and 552 tons using new measurements Construction: 1840 in Pugwash; some repairs in 1853 & 1854 Owners: J. & W. Carter Port of registry: Goole Port of survey: Hull Voyage: sailed for North America CHANCE - 1860 Master: Captain W. Mordy Rigging: Barque; sheathed in yellow metal in 1855; partly fastened with iron bolts Tonnage: 450 tons using old measurements and 479 tons using new measurements Construction: 1854 in Québec Owners: Mitchell & Co. Port of registry: London Port of survey: London Voyage: sailed for Australia Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ebba Brah, & Chance > Wondering if someone could give me information on these two ships? Even a > photo. I know the Ebba Brah was built in Canada. Have found that info. > > Thank you > Happiness all > Peggy & Max Henson > Swan Hill > Victoria > Australia > > new email address as from the 5th Dec, > [email protected] > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi - I'm a newcomer & looking for some help on behalf of a family in Norway wondering what happened to a long lost relative. Torger was believed to have jumped ship in Australia some time in the early part of the 20th century, may have gone under any of the above names (TORGERSEN/FUGLESTAD/NELSON). Born 11/6/1876. Father was Torger FUGLESTAD b.26/3/1851, mother was Inger OMMUNDSDOTTER (Gravdal - placename?) b.5/12/1851. Torger came from the Rogaland Region, Brusand. Any ideas how I can track him down? Cheers, Jennie

Wondering if someone could give me information on these two ships? Even a photo. I know the Ebba Brah was built in Canada. Have found that info. Thank you Happiness all Peggy & Max Henson Swan Hill Victoria Australia new email address as from the 5th Dec, [email protected]

-----Original Message----- From: Rabbit Patch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} Holmberg Hi Lynne, Thanks, No these do not appear to be Karl Marcus Ingomar Holmberg. He served as a crewman, was married 8th Feb 1888 in Launceston Tasmania AUS. We were given a clue he was in England. So I may have been searching in the wrong place. Wen Steer Tasmania Australia > Hi Wen, > From Victorian records there are the following > Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page > HOLMBERG ---- MR A DEC 1881 SURAT F 193 002 > HOLMBERG G A MR 49 FEB 1885 DE BAY F 215 001 > HOLMBERG JOHAN 27 OCT 1888 IBERIA B 505 004 > > > > I do not have arrivals for Tas. > > Maybe he went from Vic. to Tasmania? > Kind regards, > Lynne >

-----Original Message----- From: Rabbit Patch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} Holmberg Hi List, Wen Steer Tasmania Can any one look up the ships List Please, as I have be given the information below. Påmönstrad=getting on 1884 06 09 Gävle but it doesn’t say anything of getting off. The ship had destination Barcelona in Spain. Ship companies Spain - Australia around 1885 This is the last mention of our missing great grandfather to date, Karl Marcus Ingemar Holmberg. Namn: C.M.J. Holmberg Födelsedatum 1863- - Födelseförsamling Östersund Jämtland län Hemförsamling: Umeå Civilstånd: Ogift Inskrivningsnummer: 719 Hyra / lön: 30 Kr Befattning / Yrke: Lättmatros Påmönstrad: 1884-06-09 i Gävle Fartyg: Namn: Elisabeth (Barkskepp) Hemmahamn: Oskarshamn Destination: Barcelona Registerton: 605,86 Fartygets redare / ägare: C.A. Dam Kapten: G.E. Landberg Sjömanshus: Gävle sjömanshus Volym: DIaa:29 s. 46 Rabbit Patch of Tasmania Post Office Box U 62 BURNIE 7320 Tasmania Australia Mobile Ph-0417 302019 [email protected] See us at http://www.biztas.com

-----Original Message----- From: Rabbit Patch [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: {not a subscriber} HOLMBERG Hi List, Can any one find where Karl Marcus Ingemar Holmberg came to Australia or Tasmania ? He was born in 1863 Ostersund Sweden, married Margaret Jane Ryan 8th Feb 1888 in Launceston Tasmania Australia.' Cheers Wen Steer Tasmania Australia ______________________________

Hi Julia, NOORDAM / KUNGSHOLM 1901 The NOORDAM was a 12,531 gross ton vessel built in 1901 by Harland & Wolff, Belfast for the Dutch company, Holland America Line. Her details were - - length 550.3ft x beam 62.3ft, one funnel, two masts, twin screw and a speed of 15 knots. There was accommodation for 286-1st, 292-2nd and 1,800-3rd class passengers. Launched on 28th Sep.1901, she sailed from Rotterdam on her maiden voyage to New York on 1st May 1902. On 17th Oct.1914 she was damaged by a mine in the North Sea, but repaired and resumed sailing on 26th Mar.1915. On 3rd Aug.1917 she was again damaged by a mine and was then laid up for the duration of the war. She resumed service between Rotterdam, Plymouth, Brest and New York on 9th Mar.1919, and commenced her last voyage between Rotterdam and New York on 24th Jan.1923. She then went to the Swedish America Line, who refitted her to carry 478-cabin class and 1,800-3rd class passengers and renamed her KUNGSHOLM. On 15th Mar.1923 she started sailings between Gothenburg and New York, and on 7th Nov.1924 between Gothenburg, Halifax and New York. On 6th Oct.1926 she went back to her previous name of NOORDAM and resumed sailing between Rotterdam and New York and in December of that year, became a third class passenger ship only. She commenced her last voyage on this service on 16th Apr.1927, was then sold and scrapped at Hendrik Ido Ambacht in 1928. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.3. p913.] Series Roll Volume Year Month Day Frame Ship Port FHL roll 7 T715 2159 4902 1913 August 26 22 Noordam Rotterdam/Boulogne 1400843 List of detained passenegrs http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/mm.htm?back=http://www.stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html&series=1&roll=2159&frame=22&display=true found above from http://www.stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html http://stevemorse.org/ellis/pictures.html http://stevemorse.org/ http://www.ellisisland.org/ Hope this helps, Kind regards, Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "j P" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] "Noordam"

Hi Lynne, For some reason I can't get into the site when I put in SS/Noordam, there is some problem there some where. Actually the date was departed 16th August from Boulogne s/mer and arrived in New York on the 25th August. Thanks for your help Julia Lynne Radford <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Julia, Found the following by using Steve Morse's list http://www.stevemorse.org/ellis/boat.html The following is for 1914-1915 just put in 1913 and the ship arrived that year as well. Hope you find it helpful. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney http://stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.cgi?series=&rollStart=&rollEnd=&volumeStart=&volumeEnd=&monthStart=&dayStart=&yearStart=1914&monthEnd=&dayEnd=&yearEnd=1915&boatkind=starts&boat=Noordam&offset=1&portkind=starts&port=&pageSize=50&database=all&auth= ----- Original Message ----- From: "j P" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] "Noordam" > Hopefully some -one can help me out here. SS/Noordam or just Noordam > which one I don't know was to have travelled to the States in 1913 > according to Ellis Island Records, but I have not been able to find any > reference to that. > Can some -body please help.? > Julia > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Messenger 7.0: Free worldwide PC to PC calls > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database.