Hi Janice, Just doing a "Google" search of the Ganges and found the following site, which lists a Agnes Shales, but no mention of her being Thomas Parnell alias John Williams wife. Have a look http://www.home.gil.com.au/~rkbt/arrivals.html It was updated today. Kind regards, Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > Hi Annette, > > Thank you so much for your offer Annette, I would be very grateful. At > the moment I am researching Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) and his > wife Agnes, who sailed under her maiden name, Agnes Shales with thier baby > son Thomas. > > Dr. James Mileham the "Ganges" ship's surgeon, was so grateful for the > assistance that Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) was able to give him > on the voyage, with helping him tend the sick convicts, he became his > mentor and close friend and helped Thomas to finish his studies to become > a physician and surgeon, which he had started back in England. Thomas > father was Dr. John Parnell and his brother at the time of his arrest was > also studying with Thomas to be in the medical profession. > > Thomas, at the time of his arrest, lied about his age, his name and his > profession to protect his family from the shame of his arrest, trial and > sentence of transportation for Life. In 1814, under the name of > "...Thomas Parnell, otherwise John Williams he was granted a Conditional > Pardon..." > > I am at the moment filling in the story of the voyage on the Ganges. My > brother in law's ggg grandfather was also a soldier on board this ship in > 1797. > > Regards, > Janice > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Annette Tollis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > > >> Hi Janice, I do not know for certain what month the Granges sailed but it >> would have been around the beginning of February as they were at sea for >> 5 >> months. Yes she sailed from Portsmouth. I have some more information on >> this ship that I could give you if you are interested as my husbands >> GreatGr. Gr. Grandfather came out on her as a soldier. >> >> Cheers Annette. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM >> Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges >> >> >> Good morning Listers, >> >> I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , >> that >> the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? >> Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd >> June, 1797. Thank you. >> >> Regards, >> Janice > >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Hi Janice, From Charles Bateson's "The Convict Ships" The Arrivals, 1797-1800 Ganges, Arrived 2 June 1798, Ship 700ton, Master Thomas Patrickson, Surgeon James Mileham. Ganges was built in India, 1792 launched. The Ganges was one of the first convict ships inspected at Portsmouth by Sir James Fitzpatrick, the Home Department's surgeon-general. He ordered certain structural alterations, and placed aboard ventilators, water purifiers, fumigants and medicines. The Ganges embarked 203 men, but her master and part-owner, Thomas Patrickson, asked that her complement should be raised to 300. Fortunately, his request was refused, and as she was a ship of 700tons, she was not overcrowded when she sailed. Thirteen convicts died on the voyage, and many of the survivors were suffering from scurvy on arrival. Her surgeon, James Mileham, who was going out to join the Colonial Medical Establishment, probably was inexperienced in the management of a large body of men at sea, and if another 100 men had been embarked, it seems certain that the death toll in the Ganges would have been much heavier. Shipping Arrivals & Departures, Sydney by JS Clumston Ganges arrival 2/6/1797, From Ireland via Cape of Goodhope, Cargo Convicts; Det.NSW Corps. Beef & Pork. Departed August for China. So one has from Portsmouth and one Ireland. I think Portsmouth, is the correct one. Kind regards, Lynne, Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > Good morning Listers, > > I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , > that the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from > England? Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port > Jackson 2nd June, 1797. Thank you. > > Regards, > Janice > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] re McNab Hi again Sue > > He told me this > Alexander and his wife Maria/Marion/Mary McNab and their > son arrived > somewhere in the colonies in Dec 1837. > Their daughter Catherine was born 1 Jan 1838 28 days > after they arrived > here. She was baptized in Bathurst and they had 3 more chn born there > If it is at all possible I would like to know where they > sailed from (I > assume Scotland), what ship, the names on the passenger > lists, and when and > where they arrived. > I have been searching the net for any info on them and > cant find any, Not every things is on the Net ! Out at State Records, Kingswood and probably down The Rocks office also they have some photo copies of early passenger lists in folders labelled COD and a number I know in these is the passenger list of a ship named 'Adam Lodge' that came here abt 1836 carrying assisted migrants BUT wasnt included in the Bounty indexes for some reason In Gosford library there are 2 x State Records films of the names of and the dates of arrival to Port of Sydney of ships indexed in blocks of 5 years . Also are some books on arrivals of ships ........ Just cant remember if there is a book with 1839 arrivals ?? Been a while since I last checked Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Thanks for the help Stephanie, though they are not my McNabs. All the information I have was from a phone call I made to an 87 year old McNab. He has the family bible which I will never see unfortunately. His eyes are failing as you would expect at that age. He told me this Alexander and his wife Maria/Marion/Mary McNab and their son arrived somewhere in the colonies in Dec 1837. Their daughter Catherine was born 1 Jan 1838 28 days after they arrived here. If it is at all possible I would like to know where they sailed from (I assume Scotland), what ship, the names on the passenger lists, and when and where they arrived. I have been searching the net for any info on them and cant find any, so any help is really appreciated. Sue Central Coaster

Hi Sue, I have searched Di Cummings disc "Bound for south Australia", from 1836 to 1842 There were 2 McNAB's on the Indus from Dundee, arriving Adelaide January 24, 1839, "John and wife". There was 1 McNAB on the Ariadne from Greenock arriving Adelaide August 13 1839 "Catherine Wyas" Happy to look further, do you have any other information, can check the BMD's for you for SA if you wish. Regards, Steph in Adelaide. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] McNab- Info on > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill and Sue" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:16 PM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] McNab > > > I am looking for information >> regarding the McNab family Alexander, Maria or Marion and son Alexander. >> They arrived in Australia in about December 1837 from Scotland. > > Hi Sue > > Which Colony ?? Was no such place as Australia really till 1901 > > They werent Bounty passengers into Colony of NSW > > Bye > MargM > Beautiful Central Coast of NSW > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/154 - Release Date: 1/11/2005

Hi Annette, Thank you so much for your offer Annette, I would be very grateful. At the moment I am researching Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) and his wife Agnes, who sailed under her maiden name, Agnes Shales with thier baby son Thomas. Dr. James Mileham the "Ganges" ship's surgeon, was so grateful for the assistance that Thomas Parnell (alias John Williams) was able to give him on the voyage, with helping him tend the sick convicts, he became his mentor and close friend and helped Thomas to finish his studies to become a physician and surgeon, which he had started back in England. Thomas father was Dr. John Parnell and his brother at the time of his arrest was also studying with Thomas to be in the medical profession. Thomas, at the time of his arrest, lied about his age, his name and his profession to protect his family from the shame of his arrest, trial and sentence of transportation for Life. In 1814, under the name of "...Thomas Parnell, otherwise John Williams he was granted a Conditional Pardon..." I am at the moment filling in the story of the voyage on the Ganges. My brother in law's ggg grandfather was also a soldier on board this ship in 1797. Regards, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Tollis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > Hi Janice, I do not know for certain what month the Granges sailed but it > would have been around the beginning of February as they were at sea for 5 > months. Yes she sailed from Portsmouth. I have some more information on > this ship that I could give you if you are interested as my husbands > GreatGr. Gr. Grandfather came out on her as a soldier. > > Cheers Annette. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges > > > Good morning Listers, > > I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , > that > the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? > Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd > June, 1797. Thank you. > > Regards, > Janice > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Sue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] McNab I am looking for information > regarding the McNab family Alexander, Maria or Marion > and son Alexander. > They arrived in Australia in about December 1837 from > Scotland. Hi Sue Which Colony ?? Was no such place as Australia really till 1901 They werent Bounty passengers into Colony of NSW Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW

Hello fellow listers, I am hoping that someone can assist me please. I am looking for information regarding the McNab family Alexander, Maria or Marion and son Alexander. They arrived in Australia in about December 1837 from Scotland. Any information would be of great assistance. I have been to all the usual sites and searched but with no luck so far. Thanks in advance, Sue

Hi Janice, I do not know for certain what month the Granges sailed but it would have been around the beginning of February as they were at sea for 5 months. Yes she sailed from Portsmouth. I have some more information on this ship that I could give you if you are interested as my husbands GreatGr. Gr. Grandfather came out on her as a soldier. Cheers Annette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ganges Good morning Listers, I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , that the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd June, 1797. Thank you. Regards, Janice ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005

Good morning Listers, I am hoping that SKS maybe able to assist me with the date and month , that the convict ship "Ganges" part of the Third Fleet sailed from England? Also, was it Portsmouth she sailed from? She arrived in Port Jackson 2nd June, 1797. Thank you. Regards, Janice

----- Original Message ----- From: "LilianFraser" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help > > I was wondering if there is any way I can find > passengers who emmigrated from England to Australia > probably in the 1960s. I am not sure if this is too > recent to be on the internet or not > Hi Lilian Maybe not ........... Try http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/recordsearch.html This is a National Archives site Type in their name and approx year and see if anything comes up

Hi Lillian, I'm new to all this but have had two links passed on to me, one is Australian National Archives (do a google search) and the other www.blaxland.com/ozships.....check out links pages when you get to both these sites too. I've seen the dates you are after in things I've looked at. Others with more experience may have more to offer. good luck! warm wishes danella From: "LilianFraser" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:50:05 -0000 can anyone help me please. I was wondering if there is any way I can find passengers who emmigrated from England to Australia probably in the 1960s. I am not sure if this is too recent to be on the internet or not Thank you Lilian Fraser -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 03/11/2005 ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

THANK YOU I will try it now Lilian Fraser ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help- NAA maybe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LilianFraser" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:50 AM > Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Help > > >> >> I was wondering if there is any way I can find passengers who emmigrated >> from England to Australia probably in the 1960s. I am not sure if this is >> too recent to be on the internet or not >> > > Hi Lilian > > Maybe not ........... > > Try > > http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/recordsearch.html > > This is a National Archives site Type in their name and approx year and > see if anything comes up > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 05/11/2005

Hello again - I did say I was new to all this didn't I? I forgot to add that I am also looking for information - passenger list if possible - for the Mary Pleasants which arrived in Australia 1856. My ggrandfather Benjamin Rayner came out on her and the family believe it was 1856. I have found a record of the Mary Pleasants arrival at Botany Bay on 16.11.1858 - maybe this is the year he arrived - most entries I have found referring to the Mary Pleasants have been for the U.S.A. (Unless there were two ships "Mary Pleasant" and "Mary Pleasants"????) How can I get copies of the passenger lists? I hope someone can help. Thanks Val

Goodmorning all from Maryborough, Queensland, Australia This is my first time on so if I make booboos please excuse as I'm not sure what is required. I am trying to back-track on my ggrandmother Ida Fuhrmann who came out from Germany at sometime between December 1890 and January 1893. I believe she landed in Victoria but that is all that I know. I did pick up on a Frau Fuhrmann aged 29 who arrived on the Habsburg in December 1893 (from the Victorian Public Records Office). Does anyone know if I can find out Frau Fuhrmann's christian name? It will certainly throw the family history as we know it now out of kilter if this is my ggrandmother as it is believed she arrived at least 11 months prior to this. many thanks Val

http://www.blaxland.com/ozships/ has ships up to 1968 - Thanks to Lynne Radford for the link. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country > >> >> I was wondering if there is any way I can find >> passengers who emmigrated from England to Australia >> probably in the 1960s. I am not sure if this is too >> recent to be on the internet or not >> > > Hi Lilian > > Maybe not ........... > > Try > > http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/recordsearch.html > > This is a National Archives site Type in their name and > approx year and see if anything comes up > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1891/05/9993wod.htm Passenger/crew list for anyone who might be interested. Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message -----

can anyone help me please. I was wondering if there is any way I can find passengers who emmigrated from England to Australia probably in the 1960s. I am not sure if this is too recent to be on the internet or not Thank you Lilian Fraser -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 03/11/2005

Was there a Mr (Herr) Fuhrmann on the same ship? Bubbles from Robin Hood Country ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Bassett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: [AUS-IMM-SHIPS] Ida Fuhrmann from Germany > Goodmorning all from Maryborough, Queensland, Australia > This is my first time on so if I make booboos please excuse as I'm not > sure what is required. I am trying to back-track on my ggrandmother Ida > Fuhrmann who came out from Germany at sometime between December 1890 and > January 1893. I believe she landed in Victoria but that is all that I > know. > > I did pick up on a Frau Fuhrmann aged 29 who arrived on the Habsburg in > December 1893 (from the Victorian Public Records Office). Does anyone > know if I can find out Frau Fuhrmann's christian name? It will certainly > throw the family history as we know it now out of kilter if this is my > ggrandmother as it is believed she arrived at least 11 months prior to > this. > > many thanks > Val > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Hi Everyone Many thanks to those who replied to my query and no Lynne as far as I know his brother didn't come out with him. Sue Western Aust.