Barbara If he was married before Charlotte, the details about him on this marriage cert may be false, especially if he had not divorced the first wife. That's what my grandfather did, the details on the first MC were correct but false on the second. Have you tried the records of the other states of Oz? There were a lot of Germans from SA (mine included) and they often slipped over into NSW (which mine did too). SA death records can be checked right up to 1968 on microfiche. I know what you mean about going insane - I have a problem in one of my lines that is having that affect on me too!! Good luck Charmaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Giorno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] MUELLER help Hi, Thank you to the people who have given me suggestions on my MUELLER. Just to give you a bit of a run down here is the info I have. Marriage cert info; 12 Dec 1904, in Corowa NSW at residence of Miss Jessie BOYD, according to the rites of Presbyterian Church. Augustus MÜLLER, bachelor, occ jeweller, usual residence Cobram, Vic, age 32 birth place Sydney NSW father Frederick MÜLLER occ Gentleman mother Mary RINARK (think it's a K) deceased Charlotte Ethel BUERCKNER spinster, ususal residence Tungamah Vic, age 21 (verified birth date 2 May 1885)) father Charles William BUERCKNER occ farmer mother Martha PARISH Witnesses to the marriage were Charlotte's sister & her husband. info from birth cert of son Albert George MÜLLER 13 April 1906 Tungamah, Vic father Louis Augustus MÜLLER jeweller, 33 years old born Sydney NSW (note he hasn't really aged much) mother Charlotte BUERCKNER age 21 years previous issue Louis 1 year old Supposedly there was another son born after Albert George, but not verified. Other than this, nothing is known about the elusive Mr Louis Augustus MÜLLER. I cannot find his birth reg, or anything on his parents, nothing on his siblings (if any) Have checked indexes for him & parents (all variations of names even anglicised versions) over a 10 year leeway period. A great big ZILCH Charlotte married James Alfred SAUNDERS in 1908 and had a daughter born September 1908 in Coburg Vic. Now what? Has anyone been known to have lost their sanity over a problem like this? Maybe I'll be the first. Just joking. I actually do have a sense of humour which is probably a good thing in this case. After all, don't they say "no news is good news" Anybody out there who can contribute to the solution would earn my eternal thanks. Barbara ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237