Hi Albert - no not at all. I only wanted to clarify my position. Please contact me off list Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > Denise, > Did I create the wrong impression. If so I am sorry and apologise. > I saw a couple of emails about these memorandums and asking if there was a > record of them. I had previously searched this question and thought I had > the answer to that question. > However the query you raise is an interesting one. If only there was some > way that we could find out. > Albert Grulke in cloudy miserable Melbourne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise McMahon [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2002 9:12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > Albert hi. > > I was the one who replied to Lisa about this subject as my great-grandfather > was also aboard. > > If you read the newspaper articles about this voyage and arrival you will > see that 4 men vanished. Our great-grandfather arrived 2 months later in > Victoria. > > Does this mean he was one of the 4, who had signed up for work, or was a > paying passenger. > > The shipping list doesn't seem to indicate from what I believe, so therefore > we have our fingers crossed we will find one of these agreements with > Christian Haeffner's name on it! If we do, then we know, if we don't we > shall still wonder, did he or did he not violate his agreement. > > Fingers crossed > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert Grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > > Can I add to this that there is no collection and officially no copies of > > any of the agreements. I received one for my wife's grandfather and it too > > came by accident. Every now and then one seems to appear. However they are > > all very similar and unless you want to get very specific you only need to > > change the names of the migrant and you are very near to the final result. > > The one Lisa has shared and the one I have are very identical. I did once > > see another one that was also identical. > > Albert Grulke in wet Melbourne home of the mighty Hawks who might win one > > day. Meanwhile its "Go the Lions" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Burton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 11:28 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > > > > The Memorandum between KOCH and LESLIE was located 'by accident' ... it > was > > sent to me by a fellow researcher in Sydney who knew of my interests - she > > came across it while looking for other material at the National Library of > > Australia - a real 'fluke'. > > > > I don't believe there is a collection of solely such Contracts in the > > respective Archives. Just a matter of if the odd one, here and there, has > > survived; as a result of being included/indexed with other documents eg. > > from a government enquiry, private bequest, etc. > > > > You could always enquire though .... > > > > Another contact of mine has a 'Certificate of Character' for her German > > immigrant ancestor (KOCH per "Parland" 1849) .... similarly, only a > handful > > of these seem to have survived. > > > > This Certificate was signed by the Magistrate of prospective emigrant's > > village and then by the British Consul in Frankfurt - attests to his good > > character, gives his occupation and dates of birth for himself and > > dependants!! (German on one side - English on the reverse, also.) > > > > More 'off-list', Denise. > > > > Rgs > > Lisa > > Gladstone, Q > > > > > > The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may > > be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive > use > > of the addressee(s). 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