Hi Bob Below is the reference for the naturalization of Frederick JANSEN. If you check this record it should list date of arrival and name of ship. Joyce JANSENFrederickGermany12 Nov 18806856-[4/1205]131 --------------------------------------------------------- Joyce Tomasi E-Mail: jindajoy@ozemail.com.au In the Snowy Mountains of NSW Australia ---------------------------------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Date: 11/17/04 10:40:33 To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans Help needed Please. I am attempting to trace a Frederick Janzen who married Ann Owen on 28 August 1856 at St. Phillips Church Sydney. A son was born to Frederick and Ann in 1960 with Frederick's nationality being stated as German. At the time of the marriage Frederick was 25 years of age suggesting he was born around 1831 and had been in Australia about 5 years at time of marriage making the arrival around 1850/51. I have been unable to locate an arrival of Frederick into Australia as an assisted immigrant or his death. Interestingly his marriage certificate has the name "Johnsen" or "Johnson" ruled through and Janzen inserted above - possibly a recording error at time of documentation by church minister or in the transcription to BDM records at a later date. His conjugal status was Bachelor with occupation a Chandler having resided in Sydney for past five years. His parents names are not recorded but his father's occupation is stated as a farmer. Ann and her son relocated to Dubbo between 1860/63 but there is a good chance that Frederick did not accompany her as she took up a liaison with a John Vacchini. My two main concerns are: 1. When and how did Frederick Janzen get into Australia 2. After the arrival of his son he just seemed to dematerialise with no death being recorded in Australia under Frederick Janzen. Ann had a handful of children to John but never married him assuming that she was still married to Frederick. I need to refocus the direction of research to try and resolve these two concerns. Any advice would be appreciated. Bob Starling ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx