Sorry got my Hol's mixed up, Holbrook not Holsworthy. Did a little search and found http://www.teachers.ash.org.au/dnutting/germanaustralia/e/chron/chron1.htm Rather a good site for general history Regards Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >Gillian, >Are you telling us that there is yet another Germantown? >Was there a GERMANTOWN NEAR Holsworthy? >Can you tell me more? I know Holsworthy very well having lived in Ingleburn >and traveled often to Holsworthy. MY son now lives in Holsworthy proper. >Albert Grulke > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] >Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 8:47 AM >To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans > >Hi, >As part of the research into the assisted immigrants into NSW who came >in between 1849 and 1855 a study should be made of the people who >employed the immigrants when they arrived. For example one of the >reasons that there was a population of German immigrants in the Nowra >area (south coast of NSW for those who don't know) was that Alexander >Berry, who owned land in that area, employed 22 immigrants in total. >This doesn't sound many but the largest number employed where John and >William Macarthur who employed 34. Many of the employers where from >Moreton Bay, the Hunter, the Sydney area, the south coast, northern >rivers and New England. Once there was a population of German speakers >then others would follow. >I have not found any reason why Germantown NSW (now Holsworthy) came >into existance. >Numbers arriving; >1849-50 384 immigrants (121 families) mostly to Sydney area and the Hunter, >1852-53 757 immigrants (244 families) some went to Moreton Bay >1854-56 1496 immigrants (380 families) > >Given the German family size there must be a lot of people in NSW who >have German blood from this immigration period. >Regards, >Gillian > >Albert Grulke wrote: > > > >>In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >>have come to a few conclusions. >> >>There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >>happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and >>they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >>than to South Australia. >> >>I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. >>Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been >>spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. >> >>I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the >>migrants came from and about when they came. >> >>Let me list what I am sure of: >> >>In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built >>the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans >>Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that >> >> >if > > >>the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans >>there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. >>Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they >>live? >> >>In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a >>number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter >>Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, >> >> >wine > > >>makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some >>shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the >> >> >Camden > > >>Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the >>first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines >> >> >older > > >>than any other Australian wines. >> >>Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around >>Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called >>Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not >>call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans >>living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in >> >> >Sydney > > >>and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the >>Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the >>second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and >>settled around Walla Walla. >> >>I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the >>Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of >>small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of >>Grafton with German names. I wonder why. >> >>There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New >> >> >England > > >>districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German >>settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German >>settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. >> >>I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in >>the Narrabri district. >> >>In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans >>between Grafton and Narrabri. >> >>Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating >>population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to >>satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that >>keep presenting themselves from this area. >> >>The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but >>often read things that leave me to wonder. >> >>Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking >>German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. >> >>I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large >> >> >scattered > > >>migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would >>appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the >>blanks. >> >>Thanks in anticipation >> >>Albert Grulke >> >> >> >> >> >>==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >>For your Aus-German resources go to >>http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm >> >>============================== >>Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >>ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. 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