Jill, The Moritz family in Australia, until recent times, were all descended from Gottlieb and Henrietta's children. We have a family treasure in the form of a lady cousin who has made it a major part of her life to research the family history. Her research has included face to face interviews with most of the family members and she has been shown a lot of documents including Gottlieb's passport. The upshot is that she has obtained a large body of material which she has published in a family history book. In support of her effort, I visited Clausthal - Zellarfeld, which is in the beautiful Harz Mountains region of Germany, some years ago. I was given access to Lutheran Church records, as well as the Mine Wardens files. "Vie Germans keep ze records." Both sources had family records - in particular, the mine Warden had a detailed entry on Gottlieb's initial application for assisted passage and later advice that he had decided to emigrate at his own expense. I don't know if this helps much, but it gives an idea of how to get some of the family information. Regards Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jill and Bill Cummins [mailto:cummins@hotlinks.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 20 November 2004 10:29 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants Thanks Bob, But how did you find this out when shipping notes just say "left Bremen" and mariage notes say "Germany" and it is a female I am trying to trace? Why would a German father have a french name like Louis Phillipe Honig ... From cloudy Melbourne but who cares at least it is not hot and humid. JILL ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

AhHa, first I need a family treasure and then a trip to Germany! Hmm I think I will need to see if there are any other ways...I guess even if I search anyone with that name I may get a a better idea...if only our ancestors had been more thoughtful and left a few clues. From Jill in sunny Melbourne ...where we have the best weather in Australia....variety is the spice of life.