In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I have come to a few conclusions. There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more than to South Australia. I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the migrants came from and about when they came. Let me list what I am sure of: In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they live? In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older than any other Australian wines. Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and settled around Walla Walla. I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of Grafton with German names. I wonder why. There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in the Narrabri district. In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans between Grafton and Narrabri. Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that keep presenting themselves from this area. The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but often read things that leave me to wonder. Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the blanks. Thanks in anticipation Albert Grulke

Hi Albert, I was trying to scan two articals that I have on German migration to the Hunter Valley BUT the scanner has had a hissy fit and died. German Immigration to the Hunter Valley in the Mid-19th century by W S Parkes delivered to the Maitland and District Society in July 1985. It containes quite a lot of information on who they where where they came from and the way that they rapidly intergrated into the society. The other was German Bounty immigrants to NSW 1849-1856 by Jenny Paterson in Papers of the 7th Australiasian congress on genealogy and family history, Brisbane 1994. She is usually interested in SW German people. One reason that the families intergrated so rapidly was the majority on the SW German immirants where Roman catholic and rapidly intermarried into the Irish and Anglo Catholic families, at least that is what I think:) We will try and get a new scanner soon and I will scan the articals and send them to you. Regards Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >have come to a few conclusions. > >There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and >they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >than to South Australia. > >I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. >Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been >spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > >I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the >migrants came from and about when they came. > >Let me list what I am sure of: > >In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built >the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans >Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if >the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans >there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. >Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they >live? > >In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a >number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter >Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine >makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some >shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden >Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the >first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older >than any other Australian wines. > >Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around >Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called >Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not >call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans >living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney >and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the >Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the >second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and >settled around Walla Walla. > >I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the >Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of >small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of >Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > >There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England >districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German >settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German >settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > >I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in >the Narrabri district. > >In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans >between Grafton and Narrabri. > >Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating >population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to >satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that >keep presenting themselves from this area. > >The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but >often read things that leave me to wonder. > >Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking >German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > >I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered >migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would >appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the >blanks. > >Thanks in anticipation > >Albert Grulke > > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >For your Aus-German resources go to >http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > >============================== >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > > >

Hi Albert, I've been tracing my partner's mother's family (Sshumacher). The name i have for their origin is "Stetten" found on one of thier son's death cert. I do know that some of them disembarked in Queensland and NSW the ones from QLD migrated down into NSW they settled in the Clarencetown area of the Hunter Region NSW, they spread out to surrounding areas, Paterson, Raymond Terrace, Dungog, Murrurundi and Newcastle suburbs and as far down to the inner suburbs of Sydney. As Gill said they intergrated by marrying into Anglo Saxon families. The first entry i have for this family is 1857 (birth). Am still having trouble finding what their employment was on immigration, but i do know they ended up having the contract for emptying "LOO'S" in and around the Hunter. During WW2 they landed the govenment contract for the defence bases in the region. Regards, Fiona. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Baker" <troublepaddock@drumard.com> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans > Hi Albert, > I was trying to scan two articals that I have on German migration to the > Hunter Valley BUT the scanner has had a hissy fit and died. > German Immigration to the Hunter Valley in the Mid-19th century by W S > Parkes delivered to the Maitland and District Society in July 1985. It > containes quite a lot of information on who they where where they came > from and the way that they rapidly intergrated into the society. > The other was German Bounty immigrants to NSW 1849-1856 by Jenny > Paterson in Papers of the 7th Australiasian congress on genealogy and > family history, Brisbane 1994. She is usually interested in SW German > people. > One reason that the families intergrated so rapidly was the majority on > the SW German immirants where Roman catholic and rapidly intermarried > into the Irish and Anglo Catholic families, at least that is what I think:) > We will try and get a new scanner soon and I will scan the articals and > send them to you. > Regards > Gillian > > Albert Grulke wrote: > > >In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I > >have come to a few conclusions. > > > >There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It > >happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and > >they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more > >than to South Australia. > > > >I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. > >Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been > >spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > > > >I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the > >migrants came from and about when they came. > > > >Let me list what I am sure of: > > > >In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built > >the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans > >Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if > >the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans > >there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. > >Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they > >live? > > > >In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a > >number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter > >Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine > >makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some > >shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden > >Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the > >first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older > >than any other Australian wines. > > > >Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around > >Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called > >Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not > >call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans > >living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney > >and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the > >Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the > >second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and > >settled around Walla Walla. > > > >I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the > >Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of > >small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of > >Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > > > >There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England > >districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German > >settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German > >settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > > > >I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in > >the Narrabri district. > > > >In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans > >between Grafton and Narrabri. > > > >Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating > >population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to > >satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that > >keep presenting themselves from this area. > > > >The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but > >often read things that leave me to wonder. > > > >Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking > >German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > > > >I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered > >migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would > >appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the > >blanks. > > > >Thanks in anticipation > > > >Albert Grulke > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > >For your Aus-German resources go to > >http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > > >============================== > >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. 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Dear Albert, My husbands ancestors arrived in Australia in 1853, Johann Klein and Eva.Married Eva in Phalboxh Germany. Both assisted immigrants_considered "useful to the colony". Martin was a vinedresser. Both could read and write. FROM: Wurttemberg Occupation: Weinbauer Departed 20 th nov 1852 from Hamburg. Master Nyllund J.J. Arrived in Sydney on the 29th of April 1853, on board the "TRITON". conduct on board "good" Settled in Cambelltown and worked on John McArthurs farm. He was a vine dresser and farmer. Worked on Mark Lodge, Dog Trap Rd Parramatta.Now Woodville Rd, since 1879. 1872 Moved to a property on Goobang Creek - Wellington Rd Parkes Hope this information is of some help to you. Regards Debbie Klein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans > In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I > have come to a few conclusions. > > There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It > happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and > they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more > than to South Australia. > > I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. > Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been > spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > > I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the > migrants came from and about when they came. > > Let me list what I am sure of: > > In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built > the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans > Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if > the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans > there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. > Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they > live? > > In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a > number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter > Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine > makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some > shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden > Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the > first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older > than any other Australian wines. > > Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around > Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called > Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not > call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans > living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney > and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the > Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the > second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and > settled around Walla Walla. > > I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the > Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of > small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of > Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > > There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England > districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German > settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German > settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > > I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in > the Narrabri district. > > In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans > between Grafton and Narrabri. > > Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating > population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to > satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that > keep presenting themselves from this area. > > The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but > often read things that leave me to wonder. > > Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking > German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > > I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered > migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would > appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the > blanks. > > Thanks in anticipation > > Albert Grulke > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx >

Hi, Have you read the book " Greeting from the land where milk and honey flows: German immigration to New South Wales 1838 - 1858." by Patricia Cloos. It is out of print but you can get from the library through Interlibrary Loan. My German ancestors settled in Greenwell Point very near ro Nowra. When they arrived in 1855 the were sponsered by Alexander Berry and work on his estate in the Shoalhaven called Coolangatta. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans > In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I > have come to a few conclusions. > > There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It > happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia > and > they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more > than to South Australia. > > I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. > Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been > spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > > I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the > migrants came from and about when they came. > > Let me list what I am sure of: > > In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built > the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for > Germans > Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that > if > the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans > there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in > 1810. > Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they > live? > > In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed > a > number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter > Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, > wine > makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some > shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the > Camden > Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the > first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines > older > than any other Australian wines. > > Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around > Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called > Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not > call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans > living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in > Sydney > and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the > Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the > second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and > settled around Walla Walla. > > I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the > Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of > small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of > Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > > There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New > England > districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German > settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German > settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > > I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled > in > the Narrabri district. > > In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans > between Grafton and Narrabri. > > Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating > population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to > satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that > keep presenting themselves from this area. > > The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but > often read things that leave me to wonder. > > Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking > German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > > I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large > scattered > migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would > appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the > blanks. > > Thanks in anticipation > > Albert Grulke > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx >

Hi, As part of the research into the assisted immigrants into NSW who came in between 1849 and 1855 a study should be made of the people who employed the immigrants when they arrived. For example one of the reasons that there was a population of German immigrants in the Nowra area (south coast of NSW for those who don't know) was that Alexander Berry, who owned land in that area, employed 22 immigrants in total. This doesn't sound many but the largest number employed where John and William Macarthur who employed 34. Many of the employers where from Moreton Bay, the Hunter, the Sydney area, the south coast, northern rivers and New England. Once there was a population of German speakers then others would follow. I have not found any reason why Germantown NSW (now Holsworthy) came into existance. Numbers arriving; 1849-50 384 immigrants (121 families) mostly to Sydney area and the Hunter, 1852-53 757 immigrants (244 families) some went to Moreton Bay 1854-56 1496 immigrants (380 families) Given the German family size there must be a lot of people in NSW who have German blood from this immigration period. Regards, Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >have come to a few conclusions. > >There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and >they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >than to South Australia. > >I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. >Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been >spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > >I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the >migrants came from and about when they came. > >Let me list what I am sure of: > >In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built >the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans >Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if >the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans >there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. >Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they >live? > >In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a >number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter >Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine >makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some >shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden >Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the >first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older >than any other Australian wines. > >Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around >Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called >Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not >call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans >living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney >and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the >Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the >second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and >settled around Walla Walla. > >I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the >Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of >small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of >Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > >There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England >districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German >settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German >settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > >I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in >the Narrabri district. > >In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans >between Grafton and Narrabri. > >Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating >population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to >satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that >keep presenting themselves from this area. > >The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but >often read things that leave me to wonder. > >Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking >German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > >I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered >migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would >appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the >blanks. > >Thanks in anticipation > >Albert Grulke > > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >For your Aus-German resources go to >http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > >============================== >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > > >

Hi My German family the WEDESWEILER'S arrived in 1855, they were vinedressers/vigneron's. They lived in the Camden and Mulgoa Forest area. Then later at Werombi and Silverdale. I have been unable to find out who they worked for on arrival and who brought them over as assisted immigrants. I have been told that they were cousins to the BRUCKHAUSER'S (although I haven't been able to confirm this). The BRUCKHAUSER'S lived and had a vineyard in Elderslie (near Camden). Could someone tell me where I should look for information on who brought them out here? Thanks Karen

Help needed Please. I am attempting to trace a Frederick Janzen who married Ann Owen on 28 August 1856 at St. Phillips Church Sydney. A son was born to Frederick and Ann in 1960 with Frederick's nationality being stated as German. At the time of the marriage Frederick was 25 years of age suggesting he was born around 1831 and had been in Australia about 5 years at time of marriage making the arrival around 1850/51. I have been unable to locate an arrival of Frederick into Australia as an assisted immigrant or his death. Interestingly his marriage certificate has the name "Johnsen" or "Johnson" ruled through and Janzen inserted above - possibly a recording error at time of documentation by church minister or in the transcription to BDM records at a later date. His conjugal status was Bachelor with occupation a Chandler having resided in Sydney for past five years. His parents names are not recorded but his father's occupation is stated as a farmer. Ann and her son relocated to Dubbo between 1860/63 but there is a good chance that Frederick did not accompany her as she took up a liaison with a John Vacchini. My two main concerns are: 1. When and how did Frederick Janzen get into Australia 2. After the arrival of his son he just seemed to dematerialise with no death being recorded in Australia under Frederick Janzen. Ann had a handful of children to John but never married him assuming that she was still married to Frederick. I need to refocus the direction of research to try and resolve these two concerns. Any advice would be appreciated. Bob Starling

Gillian, Are you telling us that there is yet another Germantown? Was there a GERMANTOWN NEAR Holsworthy? Can you tell me more? I know Holsworthy very well having lived in Ingleburn and traveled often to Holsworthy. MY son now lives in Holsworthy proper. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 8:47 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans Hi, As part of the research into the assisted immigrants into NSW who came in between 1849 and 1855 a study should be made of the people who employed the immigrants when they arrived. For example one of the reasons that there was a population of German immigrants in the Nowra area (south coast of NSW for those who don't know) was that Alexander Berry, who owned land in that area, employed 22 immigrants in total. This doesn't sound many but the largest number employed where John and William Macarthur who employed 34. Many of the employers where from Moreton Bay, the Hunter, the Sydney area, the south coast, northern rivers and New England. Once there was a population of German speakers then others would follow. I have not found any reason why Germantown NSW (now Holsworthy) came into existance. Numbers arriving; 1849-50 384 immigrants (121 families) mostly to Sydney area and the Hunter, 1852-53 757 immigrants (244 families) some went to Moreton Bay 1854-56 1496 immigrants (380 families) Given the German family size there must be a lot of people in NSW who have German blood from this immigration period. Regards, Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >have come to a few conclusions. > >There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and >they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >than to South Australia. > >I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. >Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been >spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > >I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the >migrants came from and about when they came. > >Let me list what I am sure of: > >In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built >the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans >Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if >the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans >there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. >Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they >live? > >In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a >number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter >Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine >makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some >shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden >Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the >first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older >than any other Australian wines. > >Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around >Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called >Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not >call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans >living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney >and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the >Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the >second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and >settled around Walla Walla. > >I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the >Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of >small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of >Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > >There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England >districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German >settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German >settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > >I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in >the Narrabri district. > >In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans >between Grafton and Narrabri. > >Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating >population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to >satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that >keep presenting themselves from this area. > >The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but >often read things that leave me to wonder. > >Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking >German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > >I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered >migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would >appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the >blanks. > >Thanks in anticipation > >Albert Grulke > > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >For your Aus-German resources go to >http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > >============================== >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. 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