Hello Albert and other listers I am new to this list and am excited to be here considering my German Ancestry here in Australia. I thought I would reply to Albert's query re winegrowers from Germany. Plus list my family surname interests. First of all: Here is an interesting website about German migration to Australia and it is set out in chronological order. http://www.teachers.ash.org.au/dnutting/germanaustralia/e/chron/chron1.htm Below is the article regarding the 6 winegrowers mentioned on the above site: Six winegrowers with their families, altogether 12 adults and 17 children, arrived in Sydney on the Kinnear on 22nd April. The British Government set strict conditions under which they would accept immigrant workers into the Australian colonies from countries other than Britain. Immigrants from continental Europe with winegrowing skills were eligible because there was no wine industry in Britain. Many colonial landowners in NSW were trying with varying success to establish vineyards. This first group of six winegrowers were recruited in the Rheingau region in Hessen by Major Edward Macarthur for his brother William's property at Camden, 60 km south-west of Sydney. Three of the six (Caspar Flick, Georg Gerhard and Johann Wenz) were from Hattenheim, while the other three were from villages near Hattenheim: Johann Justus and Johann Stein from Erbach, and Friedrich Seckold from Mittelheim. While waiting in London for their departure on the Kinnear, they became worried about what they had let themselves in for, but a letter to them from the Austrian botanist and diplomat Karl von Hügel gave them the confidence to continue. Later many more German winegrowers were brought to NSW and Victoria. My GGG Grandad Johann Justus was one of these first 6 winegrowers to come to Australia to work at Camden Park. I have been in touch with descendants of Casper Flick and Johann Stein. I was under the impression that these 6 were the first Germans brought out especially to grow grapes etc however I could be wrong. Also the book "Greetings from the Land Of Milk and Honey" is a very interesting read. It contains a letter from a cousin or nephew (bit of confusion re that) of my GGG Grandad called Johannes Justus who come out in 1849 on the ship Beulah. Johann met Johannes at the ship and they both worked at Wivenhoe owned by Sir Charles Cowper as Johann's contract with William Macarthur at Camden Park had finished. I have had contact with "The Friends of Wivenhoe" who are making a register of those who lived at Wivenhoe which may be of interest to some of you other listers too. My German surname interests here in Australia are: Johann Justus and his wife Appollonia nee Petri. arrived Aussieland 1838 on ship Kinnear. Their daughter Agnes married Franz Melchoir Muller who arrived with his parents (Franz) Anton Muller and (Maria) Juliana nee Schwaiger and siblings in 1852 on the ship Peru. I have a lot of info about the Muller line and have found some descendants of Agnes and Franz still living here in Aus. I do not know what actually brought this Muller family out from Germany. Agnes nee Justus had siblings John, Hanna Maria, & Philipp however I know limited about them and their descendants only what I have obtained from NSW BDM online. These families especially the Muller side is featured in a book written by a distant cousin of mine in New Zealand who unfortunately passed away in August 2004. The book is called "Tracing Family History Overseas from New Zealand" by Anne Bromell. Maybe someone out there is tracing the same families if so I'd love to hear from you. In the meantime I hope the other info was of some help to someone. Have a terrific day Julie from QLD