Gillian, So far as I can establish Goulburn was certainly a wool area in the 1800s. I have also found information that suggest that John Macarthur went to Saxony and brought out some 700 Saxon sheep to cross with his merinos but I could not find out why that was done. He also brought out with them a number of shepherds. I wonder if Macarthur had land as far south as Goulburn or did he sell part of his flock and the shepherds go with them. You are quite correct that apart from the South Australian Lutherans all others came here for social and economic reason. I have almost finished a book on the New South Wales Germans from the Rhineland and I called it in German "They gave all and came to give us a life that they could only dream about". Could you share with me what you have about the Hoffmann in the Goulburn area although if I look I might have it already? Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 8:49 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Germans in Hume Corridor Hi, In the book German Anzacs in the First World War by John F Williams (which I have strong reservations about in some areas) it does discuss several German families of catholic and Lutheran religion in the Tumbarumba area. My Hoffmann research has shown several others who where in the corridor too. One of the families where gold miners in the Adelong area. There is a smattering of activity in Hoffmann names occurring in the Goulburn area. My general historical knowledge of Goulburn is sparse, was it a wool center in the 1800's and could these people be in wool related activities ie shearers, classers, herders etc. When the saxon sheep where introduced to improve the merino (I've forgotten what they did, size I think) they did bring out Germans as minders on the ship. So some came chasing gold and others where involved in sheep. Some came as convicts and others to escape poverty and because of the desire to own land. Other than the Lutherans of South Australia they all seem to have arrived in Australia for exactly the same reasons as any other early Australians. Regards Gillian > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi Albert, All the information in have should be on the Hoffmann in Australia site. One of the men who died in Goulburn is in a biography of Australians only because of his wife. They where from New Zealand, they had one child in Sydney (Newtown or Drummoyne area I think) he died in Goulburn and she remarried in the inner west of Sydney and her 5 or 6 Hoffmann children where all in the inner west as well. A marriage and a couple of births and deaths happened in Goulburn, no great center of Hoffmann activity but I think I have seen a good few German names in Goulburn. Regards Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >Gillian, >So far as I can establish Goulburn was certainly a wool area in the 1800s. I >have also found information that suggest that John Macarthur went to Saxony >and brought out some 700 Saxon sheep to cross with his merinos but I could >not find out why that was done. >He also brought out with them a number of shepherds. I wonder if Macarthur >had land as far south as Goulburn or did he sell part of his flock and the >shepherds go with them. >You are quite correct that apart from the South Australian Lutherans all >others came here for social and economic reason. I have almost finished a >book on the New South Wales Germans from the Rhineland and I called it in >German "They gave all and came to give us a life that they could only dream >about". >Could you share with me what you have about the Hoffmann in the Goulburn >area although if I look I might have it already? >Albert Grulke > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] >Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 8:49 AM >To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Germans in Hume Corridor > >Hi, >In the book German Anzacs in the First World War by John F Williams >(which I have strong reservations about in some areas) it does discuss >several German families of catholic and Lutheran religion in the >Tumbarumba area. > My Hoffmann research has shown several others who where in the >corridor too. One of the families where gold miners in the Adelong >area. There is a smattering of activity in Hoffmann names occurring in >the Goulburn area. >My general historical knowledge of Goulburn is sparse, was it a wool >center in the 1800's and could these people be in wool related >activities ie shearers, classers, herders etc. When the saxon sheep >where introduced to improve the merino (I've forgotten what they did, >size I think) they did bring out Germans as minders on the ship. >So some came chasing gold and others where involved in sheep. Some came >as convicts and others to escape poverty and because of the desire to >own land. Other than the Lutherans of South Australia they all seem to >have arrived in Australia for exactly the same reasons as any other >early Australians. >Regards >Gillian > > > > >> >> >> >> > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com >with unsubscribe in the subject line. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > >