Brian, For some time I had a hunch that the SA Germans were not the first to come to Albury. I also learned way back that these SA Germans did not in fact get as far as Holbrook although one or two families did at a much alter date. These families did not stay long before moving back to Culcairn and down toward Walla Walla. I have now found proving evidence that there was already a reasonable sized German community in Albury by 1867. These had come via Sydney. They were mostly Catholic although there was an element of Lutheran. An article I found recently said that the SA Germans arrived at Albury and found this Catholic German community so they moved back out to Jindera and made that as near as they would come to Albury. It seems that there was no Lutheran Church in Albury at that time and the Lutherans had married up with the Anglicans and Presbyterians. I have yet to confirm that. The South Aus Germans were fanatical Lutheran and tended to live within their own little world. They did this in Silesia and in South Australia and in my lifetime in South Queensland. So the Holbrook families came down from Sydney. I know one family description of that trip and believe that there were several families. It seems that little has been retained of those coming via Sydney. I have a record of a couple who jumped ship and one or two others. Gradually I am getting picture together but it is slow. The South Australian Germans however kept careful records of their movements and generally can be easily traced. Not sure where this is going but that might be of help. Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Brian Rhynehart [mailto:brianr@cyberone.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2005 12:22 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor Albert & others, Holbrook was named Germanton till about 1915, the reasons for change have been discussed elsewhere in this forum in association with the Holsworthy detainees. There were several German families that I have identified who have been associated with the HEPPNER line of my wife's ancestors. I have done a search of my records only for the keyword "germanton" and found :- GROCH - marriage and death HEPPNER - marriage PECH - marriage and death BARTCH - death PERTZEL - deaths SCHOLZ - deaths note: this only covers up to 1915; there would be many more if I had also searched using Holbrook. Of these half dozen families, most came from South Australia. In this general area (Albury, Walla Walla, Gerogery, Jindera, Culcairn) many of the 1867 migration from SA settled, but examining many of the names marring into these families you find those that can not be traced back to SA, hence they came from other settlements/areas. Much information can be gained from some of the family histories. I have used HOHNBERG, SCHOLZ & HARTWIG histories researching this area and I believe other families associated with this area have also produced family histories. (I suspect some are readers of this forum) My interest in your research of this area is my 'brick wall' I have a Johann Heinrich WILL, reportedly born: 5 April 1846 in Schleswig, Holstein, Germany. Who is supposed to have migrated as a child with family. He crops up in this area 1868-9 and marries Joanna Elizabeth HEPPNER at Jindera on 24 January 1870. His early movements are my mystery. Brian Rhynehart Canberra. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor > (snip) > > Holbrook was named Germantown (sic) yet I can only find at this time one family > that settled there. Surely they did not give it that name because the > publican was a German. I find references that suggest there were a number of > families there but nothing concrete. > > > I am interested in anybody who has ancestors that lived anywhere between > Sydney and Albury. > > Thanks > > Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Albert, You are 100% correct with a couple of the observations - close examination of the records I hold indicates that those families I found in Holbrook (Germanton) that originated in SA were 2nd and 3rd generation. And the problem that the Lutherans had with the Catholics was not a small issue (remember religious beliefs were behind the mass emigrations from Europe). I also note with these 2nd & 3rd generations that some marriages were performed in Sydney, Melbourne and other large centres which I had previously (unconsciously) suspected and expressed the feeling that religion was behind the action. This is part of my "Brick Wall" as my 'Johann Heinrich WILL' was Lutheran as were the HEPPNERS. Keep going with the research, I think there are many in this forum who can supply snippets of information that will enhance the big picture. You may end up writing a valuable reference tool. Brian Rhynehart, HAGSOC # 3273 Canberra ACT. Researching: RHYNEHART/RYNEHART, DELORENZO/DELAURENCE, GREENE, WILSON, DULLEY, TOY, FITZGERALD, YEOMAN, JAMES, RIORDAN, WARDROP, LAMB, PITTORINO, CONLON, CONSIDINE, PERRY BREWER. WILL, ADAMS, O'BRIEN, BLATCH, HEPPNER, CLARK, MOYES, HOHNBERG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor > Brian, > For some time I had a hunch that the SA Germans were not the first to come > to Albury. I also learned way back that these SA Germans did not in fact get > as far as Holbrook although one or two families did at a much alter date. > These families did not stay long before moving back to Culcairn and down > toward Walla Walla. > I have now found proving evidence that there was already a reasonable sized > German community in Albury by 1867. These had come via Sydney. They were > mostly Catholic although there was an element of Lutheran. An article I > found recently said that the SA Germans arrived at Albury and found this > Catholic German community so they moved back out to Jindera and made that as > near as they would come to Albury. > It seems that there was no Lutheran Church in Albury at that time and the > Lutherans had married up with the Anglicans and Presbyterians. I have yet > to confirm that. > The South Aus Germans were fanatical Lutheran and tended to live within > their own little world. They did this in Silesia and in South Australia > and in my lifetime in South Queensland. > So the Holbrook families came down from Sydney. I know one family > description of that trip and believe that there were several families. > It seems that little has been retained of those coming via Sydney. I have a > record of a couple who jumped ship and one or two others. Gradually I am > getting picture together but it is slow. The South Australian Germans > however kept careful records of their movements and generally can be > easily traced. > Not sure where this is going but that might be of help. > Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne