My great great grandfather came to South Australia on the George Washinton from Bremen Germany, arriving 22nd January 1846. His name was Schmiedig, though there are a number of variations on it. I seem to have come to a dead end (so to speak) with him. He was recorded in the SA Gazette as being naturalised in 1872 (?) but Archives said alot of the earlier records have gone and there is no other record of him. I'd hoped that by obtaining his papers I might find out more about where he came from and who his family was. Does anyone have any ideas for me to pursue now? I've tried the surname search - nothing - the name was anglocised to become SMEEDY and I saw there are some of this name in America, but haven't found any at all in Australia. Any suggestions? Liz Sth Oz

You are right Eric and I am going to follow up the Zellerfeld branch to see what I can find. I actually think the guy on the Dockenhuden is mentioned on the LDS site too. Looking at the old maps the two towns seem to be separate but now have joined through sprawl I guess. This research business is a full time job. Of course I would be delighted to find any other subscribers who are distantly related. Regards JILL...on a hot night in Melbourne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric & Rosemary Kopittke" <kopittke@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: AUS-GERMAN-D Digest V05 #3 > Hello everyone, > > It is interesting to note that Jill's HONIGs were from Clausthal, and > the other HONIGs who emigrated by the "Dockenhuden" in 1852 were > recorded as being from Zellerfeld. My modern map shows the town as > Clausthal-Zellerfeld so obviously the two towns were close and have > grown together. There would seem to be a good chance than that the two > HONIG families were related. I wonder if there are any descendants of > the other ones? > > Greetings > > Eric from Brisbane. > > > > > From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> > > Date: 12 January 2005 1:14:28 PM > > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Family History > > > > > > Dear Everyone, > > You have all been so helpful in my search for my GGGrandmother's birth > > place and thanks to many of you, especially Beryl, I have found > > it,,,as Siegfried said earlier to me...one answer poses many new > > questions. > > So, to anyone who is interested....Auguste Honig was born in 1836 in > > Clausthal, Hannover (Germany) and maybe resided in Wildemann (nearby) > > before leaving for Australia. If anyone knows anything about these > > places I would be interested but this is a general HUGE thankyou > > letter. Apart from Beryl, Eric K, Mal.Frost were particularly > > helpfull. > > MANY THANKS, JILL > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hello everyone, It is interesting to note that Jill's HONIGs were from Clausthal, and the other HONIGs who emigrated by the "Dockenhuden" in 1852 were recorded as being from Zellerfeld. My modern map shows the town as Clausthal-Zellerfeld so obviously the two towns were close and have grown together. There would seem to be a good chance than that the two HONIG families were related. I wonder if there are any descendants of the other ones? Greetings Eric from Brisbane. > > From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> > Date: 12 January 2005 1:14:28 PM > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Family History > > > Dear Everyone, > You have all been so helpful in my search for my GGGrandmother's birth > place and thanks to many of you, especially Beryl, I have found > it,,,as Siegfried said earlier to me...one answer poses many new > questions. > So, to anyone who is interested....Auguste Honig was born in 1836 in > Clausthal, Hannover (Germany) and maybe resided in Wildemann (nearby) > before leaving for Australia. If anyone knows anything about these > places I would be interested but this is a general HUGE thankyou > letter. Apart from Beryl, Eric K, Mal.Frost were particularly > helpfull. > MANY THANKS, JILL

Hello John, We have extracted departures from Hamburg 1850 - 1873 and 1877 & 1878. Since Schoenberg could also be written Schönberg, I looked for SCHOENBERG and SCHÖNBERG. I could not find a Johanna, but found a Marie SCHONBERG aboard the "Palmerston" to New Zealand in 1872. She was recorded as being from Tucheln in Brandenburg, and was 19 years old. It is possible that her name really was SCHÖNBERG and written poorly and/or read wrongly - at times the writing on some of the lists was very poor indeed. Interestingly she appears to have been travelling in a group of 4:- 189 SCHONBERG Marie Tucheln Brandenbg Frau 19 f 190 SCHONBERG Johann Ludw Tucheln Brandenbg Schäfer 66 m 191 JAHN August Tucheln Brandenbg Schäfer 55 m 192 JAHN Auguste Tucheln Brandenbg Frau 48 f We guessed that "Tucheln" might have been a wrong spelling of Tuchen. All the best for your searches! Eric from Brisbane > > > From: "John Warnock" <twojays@tik.com.au> > Date: 12 January 2005 12:33:11 PM > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Fw: Family History research > > > Eric--Could you please check for a Maria Johanna Schoenberg leaving > Hamburg not sure when probably late 1800's possibly married to a > Charles Richards. Again not sure of the spelling of the surnames > Thanks a lot --- > John from West Aus

Hi Ainslee; > Hi Sigfried, that was me, thanks for that I'll email him accordingly, ... >> Now, a Paul Farrell <farn@wave.con.nz> in New Zealand has an interest >> in a CHRISTIAN FRANKE, who emigrated from Crossen/O to Australia. Even <farn@wave.com.nz> and <farn@wave.co.nz> do not work properly. I copied the email address by hand from that intentionally blurred [to prevent email-harvesting by spammers] email information window they use at genalogy.com and rootsweb.com. I left a note on the website and now wait for some of echo from Paul Farrell. Will keep you informed as soon as I get a working email for Paul Farrell. Siegfried

Hi Albert, You can get the book through inter library loan. I am a librarian and have been able to borrow a copy of this book myself.using ILL. Where I work there is an intial charge of $4 to do a n ILL search. If the book comes from another public library there should be no further charge. Tenterfield library has a copy of this book that is not a reference copy and therefore able to be borrowed. It is not possible to buy a copy of this book. I am able to purchase books through my work place and unfortuately when the enquiry was made I found it was out of print. I did find a secondhand copy on the Amazon website but it was priced at over $100 and so to expensive. Hope this helps. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Land of milk and Honey book >I have been to my library seeking a copy of "Greetings from the Land Where > Milk and Honey Flows: German immigration to New South Wales 1838-1858" by > Patricia Cloos. > > The library does not have it and suggest that it would not be available in > Victoria and if available would have restricted access. > > Before asking them to pursue it further I thought I might share my > situation > on this link to see if anybody has any other ideas. Maybe a 2ND hand copy > is > available in a New South Wales bookshop. > > Thanks in anticipation > > Albert Grulke in hot sunny Victoria > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to > aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Albert, > Before asking them to pursue it further I thought I might share my situation > on this link to see if anybody has any other ideas. Maybe a 2ND hand copy is > available in a New South Wales bookshop. Try Gould Genealogy in South Australia (www.gould.com.au), they sell new copies for $22.00 (+$8.00 postage within Australia). Alona

Hi Sigfried, that was me, thanks for that I'll email him accordingly, Ainslee _______________________________________________ List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l www.ainsleehooper.com GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. -----Original Message----- From: Siegfried Rambaum [mailto:siram@lightlink.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 January 2005 11:52 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Franke from Crossen on Oder I vaguely recall that someone on this list has a research interest in some immigrant FRANKE, who originated in Crossen on Oder. Now, a Paul Farrell <farn@wave.con.nz> in New Zealand has an interest in a CHRISTIAN FRANKE, who emigrated from Crossen/O to Australia. Maybe, the person looking desparately for Crossener Frankes should contact Paul Farrell and compare notes??? Good luck to both of you ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I have been to my library seeking a copy of "Greetings from the Land Where Milk and Honey Flows: German immigration to New South Wales 1838-1858" by Patricia Cloos. The library does not have it and suggest that it would not be available in Victoria and if available would have restricted access. Before asking them to pursue it further I thought I might share my situation on this link to see if anybody has any other ideas. Maybe a 2ND hand copy is available in a New South Wales bookshop. Thanks in anticipation Albert Grulke in hot sunny Victoria

Hi Albert I purchased my copy online at http://www.gould.com.au/ Use the search facility and it will take you straight to the book. Thanks Michele Darwin NT ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Grulke To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Land of milk and Honey book I have been to my library seeking a copy of "Greetings from the Land Where Milk and Honey Flows: German immigration to New South Wales 1838-1858" by Patricia Cloos. The library does not have it and suggest that it would not be available in Victoria and if available would have restricted access. Before asking them to pursue it further I thought I might share my situation on this link to see if anybody has any other ideas. Maybe a 2ND hand copy is available in a New South Wales bookshop. Thanks in anticipation Albert Grulke in hot sunny Victoria ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I have a problem. I have it on record that the first recorded group of German migrants to Australia came out in 1817. The information that I have says that they came from the Rhine Valley to work in the vineyards of the Hunter valley although it does seem that they may have worked in the Camden area more than the Hunter. Apparently the Macarthur's had a lot to do with this migration. My problem is that when I pursue it I find no reference to this elsewhere. I find a lot of data about migrants from Germany - The Rhine Valley - to Hunter Valley from 1949 through the 1850s. Does anybody have any data in regard this 1817 group? I found a document that says that there was large scale German migration between 1817 and 1860 into New South Wales but it too is vague. Thanks Albert Grulke

No - it's a newgroup. Go to http://www.genealogienetz.de/genealogy.html change to English and select:Newsgroups this takes you to: http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/listserv-e.html You thne have to subscribe - details of how to do this on the second page. You can subscibe in digest mode (one eamil with a list of every message posted and you look through this) or mail mode and each post comes to you as an individual email and you delete those you don't want. Or your ISP should provide access to newsgroups and you can just subscribe. If you use Outlook Express, open it up and in the Inbox click on Tools then Newsgroups. You will then get a Newsgroup Subscription page. You can search for soc.gene and that will bring up all of the soc.genealogy newsgroups and you can select the German newsgroup. You will then need to suscribe - very easy and there will be directions for doing that when you go in. Basically you send an email to a specified address with Subscribe in the subject line. This assumes you have the newsgroup server details correct via your ISP. You need to set these up the same way as you set up mail in that the ISP will ned to provide an "address" for the newsgroups. If you don't have this set up call your ISP and get them to advise how this is done. Very easy. I received a number of useful responses when I posted to the Soc.genealogy.german newsgroup. There is a FAQ at http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs/sgg.html Cheers Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Family History > Thanks Perplexed, will have a look at it. Is it www.soc.genealogy.german? > JILL > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > __________ NOD32 1.968 (20050111) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >

Thanks Perplexed, will have a look at it. Is it www.soc.genealogy.german? JILL

I had a query about German connections and put a message up onto the soc.genealogy.german newsgroup and got some responses from that. Cheers Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Family History > Dear Everyone, > You have all been so helpful in my search for my GGGrandmother's birth > place and thanks to many of you, especially Beryl, I have found it,,,as > Siegfried said earlier to me...one answer poses many new questions. > So, to anyone who is interested....Auguste Honig was born in 1836 in > Clausthal, Hannover (Germany) and maybe resided in Wildemann (nearby) > before leaving for Australia. If anyone knows anything about these places > I would be interested but this is a general HUGE thankyou letter. Apart > from Beryl, Eric K, Mal.Frost were particularly > helpfull. > MANY THANKS, JILL > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to > aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > __________ NOD32 1.968 (20050111) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > >

Dear Everyone, You have all been so helpful in my search for my GGGrandmother's birth place and thanks to many of you, especially Beryl, I have found it,,,as Siegfried said earlier to me...one answer poses many new questions. So, to anyone who is interested....Auguste Honig was born in 1836 in Clausthal, Hannover (Germany) and maybe resided in Wildemann (nearby) before leaving for Australia. If anyone knows anything about these places I would be interested but this is a general HUGE thankyou letter. Apart from Beryl, Eric K, Mal.Frost were particularly helpfull. MANY THANKS, JILL

Eric--Could you please check for a Maria Johanna Schoenberg leaving Hamburg not sure when probably late 1800's possibly married to a Charles Richards. Again not sure of the spelling of the surnames Thanks a lot --- John from West Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric & Rosemary Kopittke" <kopittke@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Fw: Family History research > Hello Jill, > > We have been indexing the emigrants who departed the port of Hamburg > destined for Australian and New Zealand ports. We have recorded a HONIG > family aboard the "Dockenhuden" which departed 15 November 1852 and > arrived May 1853. Obviously these were the ones you found. > > HONIG H A E (Bergmann) > mit Fr > u. 3 Kinder bis 8 Jahr > und H A E (Maurer) > All were from Zellerfeld, Hannover > > Maybe your Auguste emigrated via Bremen. Our understanding is that most of > the records from Bremen were destroyed. > > Sorry I cannot help any further. > > Eric Kopittke > > > On 11/01/2005, at 4:00 PM, AUS-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> >> Date: 10 January 2005 3:32:17 PM >> To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Fw: Family History research >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jill and Bill Cummins >> To: Eric Kopittke >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:02 PM >> Subject: Family History research >> >> >> Dear Eric, >> It was suggested on a mailing list that you may be able to help with >> information on an arrival to Australia of my German GG Grand mother. Her >> name was Auguste (maybe middle name Emily) HONIG. >> The only information I have is that she was born in about 1836 in >> "Germany" she was married in 1853 in South Australia. I have also found a >> sister Amelie Maria Magdalena Honig who may or may not have come at the >> same time. Their father was Louis Phillipe Honig and mother Caroline >> (Jung) Honig. I do not know if the parents or any other siblings also >> came to Australia. >> I cannot find Auguste on any of the shipping lists on line the only >> Honigs I have found came too late for the 1854 marriage (Dochenhuden May >> 1853...a month after the wedding in S.A.) or the Herder (left in 1851) >> which lists an Auguste who seems to be a child aged 14 with a man old >> enough to be her father (but wrong name ..Carl) and two other >> children...ie.Dorothea and Georg. So they don't feel correct. >> I hope this is not presumptious to ask but I am really stumped. >> Sincerely JILL CUMMINS >> Frankston Victoria >> >> > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Hello Jill, We have been indexing the emigrants who departed the port of Hamburg destined for Australian and New Zealand ports. We have recorded a HONIG family aboard the "Dockenhuden" which departed 15 November 1852 and arrived May 1853. Obviously these were the ones you found. HONIG H A E (Bergmann) mit Fr u. 3 Kinder bis 8 Jahr und H A E (Maurer) All were from Zellerfeld, Hannover Maybe your Auguste emigrated via Bremen. Our understanding is that most of the records from Bremen were destroyed. Sorry I cannot help any further. Eric Kopittke On 11/01/2005, at 4:00 PM, AUS-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> > Date: 10 January 2005 3:32:17 PM > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fw: Family History research > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jill and Bill Cummins > To: Eric Kopittke > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:02 PM > Subject: Family History research > > > Dear Eric, > It was suggested on a mailing list that you may be able to help with > information on an arrival to Australia of my German GG Grand mother. > Her name was Auguste (maybe middle name Emily) HONIG. > The only information I have is that she was born in about 1836 in > "Germany" she was married in 1853 in South Australia. I have also > found a sister Amelie Maria Magdalena Honig who may or may not have > come at the same time. Their father was Louis Phillipe Honig and > mother Caroline (Jung) Honig. I do not know if the parents or any > other siblings also came to Australia. > I cannot find Auguste on any of the shipping lists on line the only > Honigs I have found came too late for the 1854 marriage (Dochenhuden > May 1853...a month after the wedding in S.A.) or the Herder (left in > 1851) which lists an Auguste who seems to be a child aged 14 with a > man old enough to be her father (but wrong name ..Carl) and two other > children...ie.Dorothea and Georg. So they don't feel correct. > I hope this is not presumptious to ask but I am really stumped. > Sincerely JILL CUMMINS > Frankston Victoria > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Jill and Bill Cummins To: Eric Kopittke Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Family History research Dear Eric, It was suggested on a mailing list that you may be able to help with information on an arrival to Australia of my German GG Grand mother. Her name was Auguste (maybe middle name Emily) HONIG. The only information I have is that she was born in about 1836 in "Germany" she was married in 1853 in South Australia. I have also found a sister Amelie Maria Magdalena Honig who may or may not have come at the same time. Their father was Louis Phillipe Honig and mother Caroline (Jung) Honig. I do not know if the parents or any other siblings also came to Australia. I cannot find Auguste on any of the shipping lists on line the only Honigs I have found came too late for the 1854 marriage (Dochenhuden May 1853...a month after the wedding in S.A.) or the Herder (left in 1851) which lists an Auguste who seems to be a child aged 14 with a man old enough to be her father (but wrong name ..Carl) and two other children...ie.Dorothea and Georg. So they don't feel correct. I hope this is not presumptious to ask but I am really stumped. Sincerely JILL CUMMINS Frankston Victoria

Paul Farrell's email address should have read <farn@wave.com.nz>

I vaguely recall that someone on this list has a research interest in some immigrant FRANKE, who originated in Crossen on Oder. Now, a Paul Farrell <farn@wave.con.nz> in New Zealand has an interest in a CHRISTIAN FRANKE, who emigrated from Crossen/O to Australia. Maybe, the person looking desparately for Crossener Frankes should contact Paul Farrell and compare notes??? Good luck to both of you