H Albert Just a little more info to add to your evergrowing collection. While this article deals with the emigration to the USA it does also give some info on why so many did emigrate. It is particulaly pertinent to my gg grandfather as he was not the eldest son so no chance of inheriting land. He also lied about his age and said he was 2 years older than he was when arriving in the US. This is believed to be so as not to arouse suspicion, being 23 would have mde him old enough to have done his 3 years compulsory service in the Prussian Army, he was actually only 21 and we were told he was literally smuggled out of Prussia??? He spent time in the US Goldfields, he must have made good $$ as he was then able to pay for his own passage from US to NZ then to Australia where he purchased land shortly arriving here in 1866. Hope this is of interest Cheers Michele Darwin NT - wet, humid and overcast! www.westphalia-emigration.de/History/history.html Brief History of Emigration Around 1755 some farmers of the Sauerland began to leave their homes in order to start new farms in the Banat area in Hungary. They were promised land by the Austrian Emperor in that depopulated area, which was newly reconquered from the Turks. Till 1790 thousands of farmer families took the chance to settle in the Banat, because in Germany their land holdings were either too small or they didn't own land at all. The emigration to the Banat was the first "wave" of people leaving the Sauerland, which lasted till around 1790. By the year 1833 population had increased that much again, some people discovered it was best to emigrate to the USA. The economy of the Sauerland was based on agriculture, and had almost no industries besides a few iron- and copper-works. The farms were merely self-sufficient, and if there was a surplus of the harvest it was traded for things that could not be made on the farm itself. Agricultural acreage was limited, while population kept on growing and growing. In America, they heard, they would be able to start their own farm, because good land was cheap in the West. In America land could be bought from the land office for $1.25 per acre. It looks like most of the first emigrants from rural areas like the Sauerland came to America in order to start a farm in the new western states. They took the sailing ship from Bremen or Antwerp and arrived in New York or in New Orleans. From NY they went on by boat to Detroit, MI and from New Orleans they went to St. Louis, MO, because in the hinterland of those cities they could expect the promised cheap land for farming. A very good and well known example is the group of Sauerlanders under the leadership of Rev. Anton Kopp, who founded a Catholic settlement in the wilderness of Michigan in 1836, which they called Westfalen in honour of the province of their origin (there are also places named Westfalen in KS, IA, and MO, which were founded later). Some families, who had sold their house and land in Germany, brought enough money to start a small farm in the wilderness right away. But certainly a great many of the emigrants - especially the young, unmarried men - needed first to make some money in the city, before they had saved the necessary dollars to start a farm. By the time working in the city a great deal of the immigrants decided it was easier to start a small business in the city than working on a farm in the middle of nowhere. Thus quite many of the Sauerlanders who first had in mind to farm preferred to stay workers, craftsmen, or became eventually businessmen in a fast growing city like Detroit. Detroit soon turned out to be the destination of most of the Sauerlanders, because former neighbours or related families in Germany were attracted by encouraging letters, and later by the story of success told on visits in Germany. By 1880 there was a very big Sauerlander community in east-side Detroit along Gratiot Ave., mostly members of the Catholic St. Joseph's parish. Young men, who came to America often were deserters. But the reason for emigration was not the fear to serve in the Prussian Army for three years, the reason of those young men to emigrate was poverty and hopelessness. Close to all those young men who deserted the army, did not have any property, and they couldn't expect to inherit the farm of their parents, because they were not the first-born sons. The regional inheritance custom was, that the oldest son, sometimes the oldest daughter usually inherited the farm, while the siblings got a small amount of money - their "KINDTEIL" - which was often merely enough to pay the one-way-ticket to America. This way the farm and its land holdings was not split into four or more equal shares. But it made those second-, third- and fourth-born sons and daughters look for better economic conditions in America. Why should the young men waste three years of their life in the Prussian Army, if they had already in mind to leave Prussia forever? Also the fact, that the older first-born brother usually served in the army for three years, demonstrates, that having to serve the Prussian Army was not the decisive reason to leave Prussia, but an additional reason to leave Prussia before turning 21. Beginning in 1833 the peak of emigration from Southern Westfalen, Prussia to America was reached in the late 1840s and in the 1850s. The number of people who left Prussia was so high, local government officials would speak of an "emigration-craving" or "America-fever". Around 1880 till 1885 there was a last mass-emigration taking place in Southern Westfalen. This time families who wanted to start a farm had to settle much further west, e.g. in Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska and South Dakota. Due to the economic development in the Sauerland and its neighbouring region (the very fast growing industrial Ruhr-area) emigration to America came out of fashion. There is almost no emigration recorded from 1885 thru 1922. But after WW1, when the German economy was down, and inflation was incredibly high (at the peak of inflation in November 1923 a normal bread would cost several billion Reichsmark) a few young men and women remembered they had an uncle in America, who could help them make a start there.

Hello Albert Just a quick thought, do you think the Germanic Clubs in Sydney may have documented any of this history? Just wondering if you have been in touch to ask? Thanks Michele Darwin NT ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Grulke To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor Still working my way through this fascinating story of Germans to New South Wales in the 19th century. The more I research the more amazed I get. My amazement comes from the fact that nobody has ever really concentrated to tell this story in full. A long time back I came to a conclusion that there is a huge story in New South Wales and slowly but surely I am getting the evidence to prove me right. I must say now that it has been the people on this list who have helped me make that story. I am so very deeply indebted to the many subscribers to this list for the snippets of information provided over the years. Unfortunately I have simply extracted the snippet and not the sender in too many instances. So I must thank all those who have subscribed. I have worked my way through the Camden valley and through the Hunter regions. I learn that most of the migrants ventured north and south once their contracts in the Camden were completed. This led me to start working down what I have called the Hume Corridor being the area between Camden or Campbelltown and Albury. This is interesting because there seems to have been small pockets of Germans who came to Australia after 1840 and settled in various places. I suspect that often it was only one or two families. Holbrook was named Germantown yet I can only find at this time one family that settled there. Surely they did not give it that name because the publican was a German. I find references that suggest there were a number of families there but nothing concrete. I have recollections of seeing articles and emails about Germans who came out and went to Goulburn area. I have titbits about possible Germans all along the road. I am interested in anybody who has ancestors that lived anywhere between Sydney and Albury. Thanks Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Albert and Fellow Listers, I want to thank Albert for sharing his research - I am finding it fascinating and it is renewing my interest in finding out more about my ancestor. I may have stumbled upon something interesting. On the Ships List: http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1825-1832.htm#nsw I found a report, "Emigrants from Great Britain and Ireland to Australia 1825-32" which seems to be a list of early assisted immigrants (including 1833). My ancestor MAY be on this list using his anglicized name, and there are other names which MAY be German so I am wondering if these are some of the early German settlers. His details are confusing because his name has changed on almost every document I have found. John George Goette, born 1800 in Rosenbach, Westphalia, Prussia Naturalization papers in 1850 stated he arrived in 1833 Marriage documents to his second wife state he was married to a Harriet Daechester in London Before this discussion I thought she was English but have never found any evidence of that surname in England so maybe she was German? Children born to first wife in NSW in 1837 and 40 - Keeps changing names John G. Geotty/Gatty, George Geotty etc. By 1841 census he is in Stonequarry, Picton using the name George Gatty Harriet dies sometime before 1853 but I haven't been able to find a death certificate He was the publican (and I think owner) of the Royal Arms Hotel in Picton when he married his second wife in 1853 and when he died in 1864. Wife and children called themselves Gatty. Death certificate lists his father as George Goethe, no mother listed. His granddaughter, my grandmother, had no idea he was German - she guessed Irish as his second wife was Irish. Back to the emigration report - there is a John Gatty (tailor) traveling with one other person to NSW in the report. I haven't found any evidence of a John Gatty in NSW except for mine and his son. I wonder if this is my ancestor trying to fit in by changing his name already? I wish the report listed ships and dates. Any thoughts? Sorry for the length but you never know what may help you or spark someone else's interest. Sharon San Diego, California

Hi list, & esp. Albert, The below was very educational. THANKYOU for sharing all that Albert. Cheers Carolyn > I have learned yesterday that when the migration of Germans to New South > Wales got under way in the 1840s they came from the Rhineland regions > primarily. Those coming from this region had to go down the river by boat > through Holland to Antwerp. From there they could go overland train to > Hamburg or by steamer to London or Hamburg. My information was that Holland > was not happy with this because it had some very nasty experiences with > earlier groups going to America and virtually put in a protest refusing the > intending migrants time in Antwerp. They had to pass through without > stopping. > > Kirchner, who was the agent, overcame this by having them go down the Rhine > and across the sea to London before stopping. As a result almost all the > Germans to New South Wales in the 1840s give or take a decade went direct to > London from the Rhine. From other parts of Germany they went to Hamburg. So > it seems that we can easily establish some information about where in > Germany they came by where they caught the boat. > > According to what I was reading they spent about two weeks in London while > the paperwork was processed and medicals were completed. You could not rush > the public service then either. > > The rules under which he contracted migrants were that they had to be > married prior to departure. In some instances there were hurry up marriages > in Germany but a large number of couples arrived in London not yet married. > To resolve the situation he organised they be married in London and so they > were married before departure because London was their port of departure. > Actually I think Plymouth or Southampton might be the technical place of > departure. > > Some couples still did not marry in London and were on board ship when it > was realised they had to be married. Always one or two stragglers but I find > it difficult to see how the migrant officers who would have been familiar > with the requirements did not pick this up in London. The ship captain > maimed them. There were problems with these when they arrived in Sydney but > somehow Kirchner or his lawyer found a way to confuse the system and they > were accepted. I wonder what would have happened if the system had refused > them entry because they weren't married before boarding the ship. > > Another point is that there were on board a number of teenage sons and > daughter. It was a long three or four months journey with nothing to do and > teenagers in 1840 weren't that much different to teenagers in 1940 or 2005 > for that matter. I owned how many of the ship board marriages came from this > source. > > I might mention that I am learning that there was a steady stream from about > 1817 onwards. > > Still searching > > Albert Grulke in stormy old flooded Melbourne > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have learned yesterday that when the migration of Germans to New South Wales got under way in the 1840s they came from the Rhineland regions primarily. Those coming from this region had to go down the river by boat through Holland to Antwerp. From there they could go overland train to Hamburg or by steamer to London or Hamburg. My information was that Holland was not happy with this because it had some very nasty experiences with earlier groups going to America and virtually put in a protest refusing the intending migrants time in Antwerp. They had to pass through without stopping. Kirchner, who was the agent, overcame this by having them go down the Rhine and across the sea to London before stopping. As a result almost all the Germans to New South Wales in the 1840s give or take a decade went direct to London from the Rhine. From other parts of Germany they went to Hamburg. So it seems that we can easily establish some information about where in Germany they came by where they caught the boat. According to what I was reading they spent about two weeks in London while the paperwork was processed and medicals were completed. You could not rush the public service then either. The rules under which he contracted migrants were that they had to be married prior to departure. In some instances there were hurry up marriages in Germany but a large number of couples arrived in London not yet married. To resolve the situation he organised they be married in London and so they were married before departure because London was their port of departure. Actually I think Plymouth or Southampton might be the technical place of departure. Some couples still did not marry in London and were on board ship when it was realised they had to be married. Always one or two stragglers but I find it difficult to see how the migrant officers who would have been familiar with the requirements did not pick this up in London. The ship captain maimed them. There were problems with these when they arrived in Sydney but somehow Kirchner or his lawyer found a way to confuse the system and they were accepted. I wonder what would have happened if the system had refused them entry because they weren't married before boarding the ship. Another point is that there were on board a number of teenage sons and daughter. It was a long three or four months journey with nothing to do and teenagers in 1840 weren't that much different to teenagers in 1940 or 2005 for that matter. I owned how many of the ship board marriages came from this source. I might mention that I am learning that there was a steady stream from about 1817 onwards. Still searching Albert Grulke in stormy old flooded Melbourne

Thank you Anita for the information re Wehl name in Stawell district. Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Merchant" <a.merchant@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Hunter valley Germans > Hi Jennifer > Have you checked out your Wehl's on the Pioneer Federation Index 1889-1901, > if not I have it, there are several families on it. Let me know. > Stawell has a Genealogy group, it may be an idea to contact them, maybe they > can help. Also the Stawell Historical Society. Both websites are on the net. > Sorry haven't got them at the moment. > Good luck > > Anita. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer LEDDRA" <jenled@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Hunter valley Germans > > > > Hi Anita, > > No contact with names mentioned although my family of Wehl's came from > > Stawell, St Arnaud, Grampians area. > > I am interested if anyone knows about St Arnaud Wehls expecially a grain > > store (late 1880's). My grandfather went to a small private school. > > Anybody > > have any info. > > Thanks. > > Jennifer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anita Merchant" <a.merchant@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 9:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Hunter valley Germans > > > > > >> Hi Albert and Jill > >> You should live up here in the Wimmera, it's even hotter for this ex Pom > > of > >> 32 years and still can't get used to it, and also a total fireban > > tomorrow, > >> lets hope for no fires please. > >> > >> Many of my partners family of German heritage came to this area (Horsham, > >> Stawell) from the Barossa valley in the 1870's plus. > >> There were Gerlach's and Zippels, any connection with anyone. > >> Best Wishes > >> Anita > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jill and Bill Cummins" <cummins@hotlinks.net.au> > >> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 8:39 PM > >> Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Hunter valley Germans > >> > >> > >> > And today was even more beautiful...but tomorrow, well I hate hot days. > >> > JILL > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> > >> > To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:58 PM > >> > Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Hunter valley Germans > >> > > >> > > >> >> Jill, > >> >> I saw that on the TV that yesterday was a beautiful sunny day in > >> >> Melbourne. > >> >> Well out here at Warburton it was so cold I had a sweater on almost > >> >> the > >> >> whole day and it was very cloudy. 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Hi Neville, My G/f came from Germany 1892, but some time between then and 1905 he became an English subject.He was naturalized here in Australia 1905.Is there anyone who might know about people becoming naturalized in England first before coming to Auss. Julia Neville Lee <nevillel@ozemail.com.au> wrote: Thank you to those who responded to my message re German migrants who travelled to UK before their journey to Australia. Neville Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Sawyer" To: Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Australia via London > Neville, My German ancestor also came via London where he supposedly > married. I haven't been able to find any trace of the marriage or her > family at all. Mine was earlier - 1833 so before civil registration. I > haven't even been able to find her family name which is on some > documents as Daechester. Let us know if you have any luck. > > Sharon > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi, I just used the freebmd and found a group of German people being married in London. They may have ended up elsewhere in the world but it does prove that batches of German people married in London. The names include; Baldauf, Balzer, Bastian, Beef, Berg, Bertram, Bruder, Christian, Denhardt, Erb, Fink, Fischer, Hoffmann, Kraus, Rhode, Riemanns, Sippel, Stucksadt and Vohmann. They married at Whitechapel in the quarter ended December 1859. I have also seen it that wedding liscences in Prussia at that time where expensive and the poor couldn't afford them (it was a population control device !!!). Regards Gillian >

Further to the message from Albert Grulke. The Government Gazette 9/4/1847 On Immigration included information on migrants free passage. Must be all married and at the time of embarkation not be over 50 years old. There is a book held in Cessnock Library "Letters from Germans" by George Nabel. One letter from Johann Peter Frauenfelder who travelled on the "Beulah" referred to 11 couples being married by the Captain during the voyage. Neville Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Re German Marriages in London >I replied with an explanation of the marriage issue yesterday but the place > of registration is interesting. > As they were supposed to be married before commencing the journey and as > many either married in London or on board ship I took an assumption that > somehow Kirchner managed to have the marriage registered in Germany. > As I do not have any family that I am tracing it is not practical for me > but > I would be interested to see if perhaps those listers searching for > marriage > registration of couples who came out to the Hunter and now I Learn the > Riverina in the late 1840s were to found registration in Hessen or > Silesia. > Albert Grulke > > -----Original Message----- > From: McDades [mailto:patlyn@netspace.net.au] > Sent: Monday, 31 January 2005 10:42 PM > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re German Marriages in London > > <They were married in 1847 in London. > > <I have been unable to find any record of their marriage in or around > London. > > <Would any other readers have similar cases where their forebears were > married in London <prior to departure for Australia. > > My German Great Grandparents were also recorded as having been married > in London, however family history has it that they met on board ship and > were married on the ship. I believe that the marriage was supposed to be > recorded in the nearest port. It mustn't have reached the registration > office however as I cannot find it either. The only record I have is the > death certificates of the parties involved, which state that they were > married in London. > > Regards > Lyn > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to > aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thank you to those who responded to my message re German migrants who travelled to UK before their journey to Australia. Neville Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Sawyer" <sawyerfamily@cox.net> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Australia via London > Neville, My German ancestor also came via London where he supposedly > married. I haven't been able to find any trace of the marriage or her > family at all. Mine was earlier - 1833 so before civil registration. I > haven't even been able to find her family name which is on some > documents as Daechester. Let us know if you have any luck. > > Sharon > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Kerry, Anna Elizabeth SCHROEDER's parents were Johannes SCHROEDER born about 1803 in Gumbeth, Kassel, Hessen-nassau, Preussen. He married Anna Martha KNOEPFEL about 1828 in Gumbeth. Wendy On 31/1/05 4:39 PM, "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Wendy, > > Do you have her parents details? > Kerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Thomas" <wtho4405@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:25 PM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Schroders > > > Hi Kerry, > > Anna Elizabeth SCHROEDER was born on 18 October 1828 in Gumbeth, Kassel, > Hessen-nassau, Preussen, and married John ORTH on 5 January 1855 in Hamburg. > I don't know exactly when they arrived or on which ship, but their daughter > Maria was born in Gayndah in 1858. > > Would you know if there are any links between Anna Elizabeth Schroeder and > your Schroders? > > Cheerio, > Wendy > > > > > > > > > On 29/1/05 12:33 PM, "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> I am looking for any info on >> Johnn Henrich Schröder..arrived sometime in 1850's/1860's.I need help to >> locate his ship arrival.It could have been on the CAESAR GODEFROY but i > can't >> find a list. >> >> Peter Schröder...arrived about 1859/60.Again i need help to find his >> arrival. >> >> Claus and Margaretha Schröder arrived in 1864 on LA Rochelle with > children >> Claus Martin and Anna.They settled in Tenterfield. >> >> >> Any QLD lookups on these names would be appreciated as they spent a number > of >> years in QLD. >> >> Kerry Wall >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

G'day all. I've tried searching on the South East Queensland German mailing list, and had a little bit of success, so I thought I would try on this one aswell. For people who are also members on the other list, then I apologise that you have to recieve this message twice. I'm researching my family history and I am trying to find out more information about Hinrich Christoph HINRICHS. He was born on the 11th of March 1841. He was probrobly born in Marne in Holstein, but on other documents he is recorded as being born in two other places, first one is Bellenhusen (Belmhusen???), from what I am told is a small town near Marne and the second one is also Friedrichskoog. He emigrated to Australia on the Beausite in 1864/5 and settled in Gowrie Road, near Toowoomba. On the same ship was a Johann HINRICHS, who we believe was a relative of Hinrich because Johann was a witness to his marraige. In 1869 he married Gertrude HEINEMANN (nee DEHNERT, nee HILLBERGER). Gertrude was married twice, 1st to Hinrich DEHNERT, and then to Johann HEINEMANN, once Johann died she married Hinrich HINRICHS. Their children were: Johann Jacob HINRICHS - born 13-10-1870, married Katharina SCHEU Anna Maria HINRICHS - born 22-08-1872, married Robert HOLMES Wilhelm Christian HINRICHS - born 20-05-1875, married Caroline Louisa ZUPP Maria Elizabeth HINRICHS - born 07-04-1877, died 22-05-1877 Julia Maria HINRICHS - born 06-06-1881, died 27-11-1881 Hinrich died on the 24th of March 1910 and is buried in the Toowoomba Drayton cemetary. Does anybody have any information about Hinrich or Johann HINRICHS? I am trying to find documents that might say either of their parents names. I do have Hinrich's parents names but I wish to confirm them with another document. Any help from anybody would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Nicholas Harding.

Good day Listers, Posting my Families of Interest. I am sorry if my spelling is not correct re: the Districts/County's, but I had to copy them from hand written documents. SCHOLER/SHOLER, Charles Frederick. Born Carlsrack, Germany SEIDEL, Ernest. Born Mittweida, Germany SELLERS/ZELLER Catherine. Born Eltville/Rhemgau, Germany If anyone knows any of these families, or they are interested in them; I would love to make contact. Regards, Jill Jackson Australia

If you are looking for London marriages try using you surname in http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ If you put in Marriages in Middlesex and one of your surnames in the time frame you are looking for you may be lucky. They haven't yet got them all into the list yet but there is no harm in trying. If you see a name that is familiar then look at the page and maybe both of your names will be on it. Regards Gillian > > >

I replied with an explanation of the marriage issue yesterday but the place of registration is interesting. As they were supposed to be married before commencing the journey and as many either married in London or on board ship I took an assumption that somehow Kirchner managed to have the marriage registered in Germany. As I do not have any family that I am tracing it is not practical for me but I would be interested to see if perhaps those listers searching for marriage registration of couples who came out to the Hunter and now I Learn the Riverina in the late 1840s were to found registration in Hessen or Silesia. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: McDades [mailto:patlyn@netspace.net.au] Sent: Monday, 31 January 2005 10:42 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re German Marriages in London <They were married in 1847 in London. <I have been unable to find any record of their marriage in or around London. <Would any other readers have similar cases where their forebears were married in London <prior to departure for Australia. My German Great Grandparents were also recorded as having been married in London, however family history has it that they met on board ship and were married on the ship. I believe that the marriage was supposed to be recorded in the nearest port. It mustn't have reached the registration office however as I cannot find it either. The only record I have is the death certificates of the parties involved, which state that they were married in London. Regards Lyn ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This might be off track for what you are seeking but I learned that: The New South Wales administration were given permission in the 1830s to bring German migrants to the colony to work in the wine industry and any other profession or trade where English migrants could not do the work. One of the basic conditions was that each migrant HAD TO BE MARRIED. William Kirchner who was responsible for bringing the Germans to the Hunter and Camden valleys worked a 'shifty'. First of all a number of marriages were arranged in a hurry in Hessen. Then he arranged for some marriages to take place on the ship but this seemed to upset the public servants. They have never changed. The rule said they must be married so that meant they had to be married before beginning the journey to Australia. I read somewhere once that there was a free passage movement of people between Germany and England without visas or passports. Don't know if they were in this era. However I do know that Kirchner had quite a number of his migrants travel from Rotterdam to London. They apparently according to one migrant anyhow, spent about two weeks in London. During this time he had a number of the single people marry so that they could say that they commenced the journey to New South Wales as married couples. Just another way to outsmart public servants. I don't know as yet how many came via London or how many married in London but I suggest it was quite a few. Albert Grulke in sunny Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Neville Lee [mailto:nevillel@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 30 January 2005 4:36 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Germans to the Hunter Valley - Buettner (Bidner) Have read recent articles re Germans to the Hunter Valley. I was interested in one reference re the assisted migrants to be married. My gg/father/mother travelled from Hesse and spent about 12 months or more in London before embarking on the "Beulah" which sailed on 6/12/1848 for Sydney. They were married in 1847 in London. I have been unable to find any record of their marriage in or around London. Would any other readers have similar cases where their forebears were married in London prior to departure for Australia. Neville Lee ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

<They were married in 1847 in London. <I have been unable to find any record of their marriage in or around London. <Would any other readers have similar cases where their forebears were married in London <prior to departure for Australia. My German Great Grandparents were also recorded as having been married in London, however family history has it that they met on board ship and were married on the ship. I believe that the marriage was supposed to be recorded in the nearest port. It mustn't have reached the registration office however as I cannot find it either. The only record I have is the death certificates of the parties involved, which state that they were married in London. Regards Lyn

Hi Wendy, Do you have her parents details? Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Thomas" <wtho4405@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Schroders Hi Kerry, Anna Elizabeth SCHROEDER was born on 18 October 1828 in Gumbeth, Kassel, Hessen-nassau, Preussen, and married John ORTH on 5 January 1855 in Hamburg. I don't know exactly when they arrived or on which ship, but their daughter Maria was born in Gayndah in 1858. Would you know if there are any links between Anna Elizabeth Schroeder and your Schroders? Cheerio, Wendy On 29/1/05 12:33 PM, "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> wrote: > I am looking for any info on > Johnn Henrich Schröder..arrived sometime in 1850's/1860's.I need help to > locate his ship arrival.It could have been on the CAESAR GODEFROY but i can't > find a list. > > Peter Schröder...arrived about 1859/60.Again i need help to find his > arrival. > > Claus and Margaretha Schröder arrived in 1864 on LA Rochelle with children > Claus Martin and Anna.They settled in Tenterfield. > > > Any QLD lookups on these names would be appreciated as they spent a number of > years in QLD. > > Kerry Wall > > ______________________________ ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Kerry, Anna Elizabeth SCHROEDER was born on 18 October 1828 in Gumbeth, Kassel, Hessen-nassau, Preussen, and married John ORTH on 5 January 1855 in Hamburg. I don't know exactly when they arrived or on which ship, but their daughter Maria was born in Gayndah in 1858. Would you know if there are any links between Anna Elizabeth Schroeder and your Schroders? Cheerio, Wendy On 29/1/05 12:33 PM, "Kerry Wall" <glossten@bigpond.com> wrote: > I am looking for any info on > Johnn Henrich Schröder..arrived sometime in 1850's/1860's.I need help to > locate his ship arrival.It could have been on the CAESAR GODEFROY but i can't > find a list. > > Peter Schröder...arrived about 1859/60.Again i need help to find his > arrival. > > Claus and Margaretha Schröder arrived in 1864 on LA Rochelle with children > Claus Martin and Anna.They settled in Tenterfield. > > > Any QLD lookups on these names would be appreciated as they spent a number of > years in QLD. > > Kerry Wall > > ______________________________

Thank you for that very interesting information. Sharon