Dear Group, I was wondering whether anyone on the list is researching this family. Johan came to Victoria on 10.3.1888 on the ship Kendleworth. He had four children with Mary MARTENS who he went on to marry. His family is difficult to sort out because his 4 children were given the surname of his wife's first husband Friedrich PATERS/PETERS. I would love to hear from anyone with a connection. Gail

Albert, Friday Mount by Margaret Carnegie, SBN725601086, is an interesting read on the history of Holbrook. Jackie This is interesting because there seems to have been small pockets of Germans who came to Australia after 1840 and settled in various places. I suspect that often it was only one or two families. Holbrook was named Germantown yet I can only find at this time one family that settled there. Surely they did not give it that name because the publican was a German. I find references that suggest there were a number of families there but nothing concrete. I have recollections of seeing articles and emails about Germans who came out and went to Goulburn area. I have titbits about possible Germans all along the road. I am interested in anybody who has ancestors that lived anywhere between Sydney and Albury. Thanks Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne

Hi Albert, All the information in have should be on the Hoffmann in Australia site. One of the men who died in Goulburn is in a biography of Australians only because of his wife. They where from New Zealand, they had one child in Sydney (Newtown or Drummoyne area I think) he died in Goulburn and she remarried in the inner west of Sydney and her 5 or 6 Hoffmann children where all in the inner west as well. A marriage and a couple of births and deaths happened in Goulburn, no great center of Hoffmann activity but I think I have seen a good few German names in Goulburn. Regards Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >Gillian, >So far as I can establish Goulburn was certainly a wool area in the 1800s. I >have also found information that suggest that John Macarthur went to Saxony >and brought out some 700 Saxon sheep to cross with his merinos but I could >not find out why that was done. >He also brought out with them a number of shepherds. I wonder if Macarthur >had land as far south as Goulburn or did he sell part of his flock and the >shepherds go with them. >You are quite correct that apart from the South Australian Lutherans all >others came here for social and economic reason. I have almost finished a >book on the New South Wales Germans from the Rhineland and I called it in >German "They gave all and came to give us a life that they could only dream >about". >Could you share with me what you have about the Hoffmann in the Goulburn >area although if I look I might have it already? >Albert Grulke > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] >Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 8:49 AM >To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Germans in Hume Corridor > >Hi, >In the book German Anzacs in the First World War by John F Williams >(which I have strong reservations about in some areas) it does discuss >several German families of catholic and Lutheran religion in the >Tumbarumba area. > My Hoffmann research has shown several others who where in the >corridor too. One of the families where gold miners in the Adelong >area. There is a smattering of activity in Hoffmann names occurring in >the Goulburn area. >My general historical knowledge of Goulburn is sparse, was it a wool >center in the 1800's and could these people be in wool related >activities ie shearers, classers, herders etc. When the saxon sheep >where introduced to improve the merino (I've forgotten what they did, >size I think) they did bring out Germans as minders on the ship. >So some came chasing gold and others where involved in sheep. Some came >as convicts and others to escape poverty and because of the desire to >own land. Other than the Lutherans of South Australia they all seem to >have arrived in Australia for exactly the same reasons as any other >early Australians. >Regards >Gillian > > > > >> >> >> >> > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com >with unsubscribe in the subject line. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > >

Gillian, So far as I can establish Goulburn was certainly a wool area in the 1800s. I have also found information that suggest that John Macarthur went to Saxony and brought out some 700 Saxon sheep to cross with his merinos but I could not find out why that was done. He also brought out with them a number of shepherds. I wonder if Macarthur had land as far south as Goulburn or did he sell part of his flock and the shepherds go with them. You are quite correct that apart from the South Australian Lutherans all others came here for social and economic reason. I have almost finished a book on the New South Wales Germans from the Rhineland and I called it in German "They gave all and came to give us a life that they could only dream about". Could you share with me what you have about the Hoffmann in the Goulburn area although if I look I might have it already? Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 8:49 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Germans in Hume Corridor Hi, In the book German Anzacs in the First World War by John F Williams (which I have strong reservations about in some areas) it does discuss several German families of catholic and Lutheran religion in the Tumbarumba area. My Hoffmann research has shown several others who where in the corridor too. One of the families where gold miners in the Adelong area. There is a smattering of activity in Hoffmann names occurring in the Goulburn area. My general historical knowledge of Goulburn is sparse, was it a wool center in the 1800's and could these people be in wool related activities ie shearers, classers, herders etc. When the saxon sheep where introduced to improve the merino (I've forgotten what they did, size I think) they did bring out Germans as minders on the ship. So some came chasing gold and others where involved in sheep. Some came as convicts and others to escape poverty and because of the desire to own land. Other than the Lutherans of South Australia they all seem to have arrived in Australia for exactly the same reasons as any other early Australians. Regards Gillian > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Hi, In the book German Anzacs in the First World War by John F Williams (which I have strong reservations about in some areas) it does discuss several German families of catholic and Lutheran religion in the Tumbarumba area. My Hoffmann research has shown several others who where in the corridor too. One of the families where gold miners in the Adelong area. There is a smattering of activity in Hoffmann names occurring in the Goulburn area. My general historical knowledge of Goulburn is sparse, was it a wool center in the 1800's and could these people be in wool related activities ie shearers, classers, herders etc. When the saxon sheep where introduced to improve the merino (I've forgotten what they did, size I think) they did bring out Germans as minders on the ship. So some came chasing gold and others where involved in sheep. Some came as convicts and others to escape poverty and because of the desire to own land. Other than the Lutherans of South Australia they all seem to have arrived in Australia for exactly the same reasons as any other early Australians. Regards Gillian > >

> the problem that the Lutherans had with the Catholics was not a small issue > (remember religious beliefs were behind the mass emigrations from Europe). They had no problems others than those existing since 1596: a) the Catholics see Lutherans as heathen b) the Lutherans see Catholics as idolators, violating the 1st Commandment by praying to Mary and a plethora of saints The religious emigration of the early 1800s is not caused by Catholics vs. Lutherans. In 1871, Prussia had 24 Mio. inhabitants, 16 Mio. being Evange- lical and 8 Mio. being Catholic. Germans tend to equal Evangelical with Lutheran. But in Prussia that is not completely true. Because the Evangelical Lutheran Church inPrussia actually resulted from a merger of the Lutheran Church (teachings of Martin Luther) with the Reformed Church (teachings of Zwingli & Co.). And there were re and still are, some folks, who reject the merged Evangelical Lutheran church, and who adhere to the pure and unadultered Augsburgian confession, and who are referred to as "Old Lutheran". These folks, who resisted the merger, were persecuted by the Prussian state. Their church property was confiscated, the adherents were often jailed. Thus, it was not Catholic bogeymen driving hordes of Lutherans out of Prus- sia, it was Whishy-Washy-Lutherans (Old Lutheran view) going after Lutherans of the Pure Faith....

Hi I forgot to mention that my people came from Celle, Germany. Does anybody know how they would likely have travelled to England for their departure. I assume by ship from Hamburg.

Hello all, Many, many thanks to all those contributing. I have found my g.g.grandparents, Johann Franz Wilhelm Gustav Wehl and Helene Sophie (Dralle) married in Whitechapel just prior to leaving for Aus on the ship 'Cuzco' September, 1880. I would have been looking for their marriage in Germany! Any clues on the route this ship would have taken? On the unassisted shipping lists their port of arrival is listed as B, what port is that? Also the month shown is September. Is that the month of departure or arrival as their marriage is listed as September. It would be impossible to be married in England in Sept. and arrive in Aus. in Sept.!!! Thanks. Jennifer

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Albert, You are 100% correct with a couple of the observations - close examination of the records I hold indicates that those families I found in Holbrook (Germanton) that originated in SA were 2nd and 3rd generation. And the problem that the Lutherans had with the Catholics was not a small issue (remember religious beliefs were behind the mass emigrations from Europe). I also note with these 2nd & 3rd generations that some marriages were performed in Sydney, Melbourne and other large centres which I had previously (unconsciously) suspected and expressed the feeling that religion was behind the action. This is part of my "Brick Wall" as my 'Johann Heinrich WILL' was Lutheran as were the HEPPNERS. Keep going with the research, I think there are many in this forum who can supply snippets of information that will enhance the big picture. You may end up writing a valuable reference tool. Brian Rhynehart, HAGSOC # 3273 Canberra ACT. Researching: RHYNEHART/RYNEHART, DELORENZO/DELAURENCE, GREENE, WILSON, DULLEY, TOY, FITZGERALD, YEOMAN, JAMES, RIORDAN, WARDROP, LAMB, PITTORINO, CONLON, CONSIDINE, PERRY BREWER. WILL, ADAMS, O'BRIEN, BLATCH, HEPPNER, CLARK, MOYES, HOHNBERG. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor > Brian, > For some time I had a hunch that the SA Germans were not the first to come > to Albury. I also learned way back that these SA Germans did not in fact get > as far as Holbrook although one or two families did at a much alter date. > These families did not stay long before moving back to Culcairn and down > toward Walla Walla. > I have now found proving evidence that there was already a reasonable sized > German community in Albury by 1867. These had come via Sydney. They were > mostly Catholic although there was an element of Lutheran. An article I > found recently said that the SA Germans arrived at Albury and found this > Catholic German community so they moved back out to Jindera and made that as > near as they would come to Albury. > It seems that there was no Lutheran Church in Albury at that time and the > Lutherans had married up with the Anglicans and Presbyterians. I have yet > to confirm that. > The South Aus Germans were fanatical Lutheran and tended to live within > their own little world. They did this in Silesia and in South Australia > and in my lifetime in South Queensland. > So the Holbrook families came down from Sydney. I know one family > description of that trip and believe that there were several families. > It seems that little has been retained of those coming via Sydney. I have a > record of a couple who jumped ship and one or two others. Gradually I am > getting picture together but it is slow. The South Australian Germans > however kept careful records of their movements and generally can be > easily traced. > Not sure where this is going but that might be of help. > Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne

Rob, This is part of the mystery. I have strong reason to believe that Germans settled right down the corridor as I termed it but can find so little proof. It has been a suspicion for some time that families settled near Queanbeyan and you have confirmed that. Anything you care to share on this would be appreciated. Thanks Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Rob Siebert [mailto:rsiebert@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2005 7:07 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Germans in Hume Corridor Albert, Very informative discussion. Are you aware of any Germany settling in the Queanbeyan Captains Flat area (if that fits in Humes corridor). My antecedents appear to have come from Germany via Sydney and Melbourne to Molonglo Flats and Captains Flat respectively, settled and bred. The names are Schardt and Siebert and although not direct antecedents Knie Are you aware of settlement in this area? Rob Siebert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] made an error > I posted an email a few days ago where I suggested that the ships bringing > the 1840s German migrants to New South Wales would have gone from London to > Plymouth before departure. > > I now find that that assumption was wrong. > > They actually left London and travelled down the Spanish and African coast > round Cape of Good Hope and across through Bass Strait then up to Sydney. > > The reason for my assumption is that when I was on my fade of looking at > convict settlement I found that all the ships left London and went to > Plymouth where they were replenished and cleared for voyage. They then went > almost west to Rio de Janeiro before turning east to Cape Town and then to > Australorbis. > > Also I learned that my Yorkshire ancestors went from Liverpool to > Southampton and Plymouth before beginning their journey. They by the way > came via the Suez Canal. > > Sorry if I misled people. Twas an honest mistake. > > Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne in spring. > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/05 ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Hello all Can anyone give me any details on the immigration ship Caeser Goddfrey from Hamburg Germany to Rockhampton Australia in 1861-62. Also any information on the family name of Plahn and Fehlhaber. Thank you Jenny

Albert, To err is human, we all do the best we can. You have done far better than I could have, & followed "stuff" up, & not been ashamed to admit a whoopsie. THANKYOU for your sharing your ongoing research with the rest of us. It's much appreciated by me, & I'm sure many others. Cheers Carolyn in a very steamy Nth Qld > I posted an email a few days ago where I suggested that the ships bringing > the 1840s German migrants to New South Wales would have gone from London to > Plymouth before departure. > > I now find that that assumption was wrong. > > They actually left London and travelled down the Spanish and African coast > round Cape of Good Hope and across through Bass Strait then up to Sydney. > > The reason for my assumption is that when I was on my fade of looking at > convict settlement I found that all the ships left London and went to > Plymouth where they were replenished and cleared for voyage. They then went > almost west to Rio de Janeiro before turning east to Cape Town and then to > Australorbis. > > Also I learned that my Yorkshire ancestors went from Liverpool to > Southampton and Plymouth before beginning their journey. They by the way > came via the Suez Canal. > > Sorry if I misled people. Twas an honest mistake. > > Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne in spring. > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Albert, Very informative discussion. Are you aware of any Germany settling in the Queanbeyan Captains Flat area (if that fits in Humes corridor). My antecedents appear to have come from Germany via Sydney and Melbourne to Molonglo Flats and Captains Flat respectively, settled and bred. The names are Schardt and Siebert and although not direct antecedents Knie Are you aware of settlement in this area? Rob Siebert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] made an error > I posted an email a few days ago where I suggested that the ships bringing > the 1840s German migrants to New South Wales would have gone from London to > Plymouth before departure. > > I now find that that assumption was wrong. > > They actually left London and travelled down the Spanish and African coast > round Cape of Good Hope and across through Bass Strait then up to Sydney. > > The reason for my assumption is that when I was on my fade of looking at > convict settlement I found that all the ships left London and went to > Plymouth where they were replenished and cleared for voyage. They then went > almost west to Rio de Janeiro before turning east to Cape Town and then to > Australorbis. > > Also I learned that my Yorkshire ancestors went from Liverpool to > Southampton and Plymouth before beginning their journey. They by the way > came via the Suez Canal. > > Sorry if I misled people. Twas an honest mistake. > > Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne in spring. > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > Remember, to unsubscribe, send an email to aus-german-l-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/05 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/05

Ahh Albert, I enjoy your weather forecasts more than anything else. To all who don't live in Victoria, we have the best most varied weather in Australia and I love it. So did all my ancestors or they wouldn't have moved here. JILL

I posted an email a few days ago where I suggested that the ships bringing the 1840s German migrants to New South Wales would have gone from London to Plymouth before departure. I now find that that assumption was wrong. They actually left London and travelled down the Spanish and African coast round Cape of Good Hope and across through Bass Strait then up to Sydney. The reason for my assumption is that when I was on my fade of looking at convict settlement I found that all the ships left London and went to Plymouth where they were replenished and cleared for voyage. They then went almost west to Rio de Janeiro before turning east to Cape Town and then to Australorbis. Also I learned that my Yorkshire ancestors went from Liverpool to Southampton and Plymouth before beginning their journey. They by the way came via the Suez Canal. Sorry if I misled people. Twas an honest mistake. Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne in spring.

Brian, For some time I had a hunch that the SA Germans were not the first to come to Albury. I also learned way back that these SA Germans did not in fact get as far as Holbrook although one or two families did at a much alter date. These families did not stay long before moving back to Culcairn and down toward Walla Walla. I have now found proving evidence that there was already a reasonable sized German community in Albury by 1867. These had come via Sydney. They were mostly Catholic although there was an element of Lutheran. An article I found recently said that the SA Germans arrived at Albury and found this Catholic German community so they moved back out to Jindera and made that as near as they would come to Albury. It seems that there was no Lutheran Church in Albury at that time and the Lutherans had married up with the Anglicans and Presbyterians. I have yet to confirm that. The South Aus Germans were fanatical Lutheran and tended to live within their own little world. They did this in Silesia and in South Australia and in my lifetime in South Queensland. So the Holbrook families came down from Sydney. I know one family description of that trip and believe that there were several families. It seems that little has been retained of those coming via Sydney. I have a record of a couple who jumped ship and one or two others. Gradually I am getting picture together but it is slow. The South Australian Germans however kept careful records of their movements and generally can be easily traced. Not sure where this is going but that might be of help. Albert Grulke in beautiful sunny Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Brian Rhynehart [mailto:brianr@cyberone.com.au] Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2005 12:22 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor Albert & others, Holbrook was named Germanton till about 1915, the reasons for change have been discussed elsewhere in this forum in association with the Holsworthy detainees. There were several German families that I have identified who have been associated with the HEPPNER line of my wife's ancestors. I have done a search of my records only for the keyword "germanton" and found :- GROCH - marriage and death HEPPNER - marriage PECH - marriage and death BARTCH - death PERTZEL - deaths SCHOLZ - deaths note: this only covers up to 1915; there would be many more if I had also searched using Holbrook. Of these half dozen families, most came from South Australia. In this general area (Albury, Walla Walla, Gerogery, Jindera, Culcairn) many of the 1867 migration from SA settled, but examining many of the names marring into these families you find those that can not be traced back to SA, hence they came from other settlements/areas. Much information can be gained from some of the family histories. I have used HOHNBERG, SCHOLZ & HARTWIG histories researching this area and I believe other families associated with this area have also produced family histories. (I suspect some are readers of this forum) My interest in your research of this area is my 'brick wall' I have a Johann Heinrich WILL, reportedly born: 5 April 1846 in Schleswig, Holstein, Germany. Who is supposed to have migrated as a child with family. He crops up in this area 1868-9 and marries Joanna Elizabeth HEPPNER at Jindera on 24 January 1870. His early movements are my mystery. Brian Rhynehart Canberra. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor > (snip) > > Holbrook was named Germantown (sic) yet I can only find at this time one family > that settled there. Surely they did not give it that name because the > publican was a German. I find references that suggest there were a number of > families there but nothing concrete. > > > I am interested in anybody who has ancestors that lived anywhere between > Sydney and Albury. > > Thanks > > Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Albert & others, Holbrook was named Germanton till about 1915, the reasons for change have been discussed elsewhere in this forum in association with the Holsworthy detainees. There were several German families that I have identified who have been associated with the HEPPNER line of my wife's ancestors. I have done a search of my records only for the keyword "germanton" and found :- GROCH - marriage and death HEPPNER - marriage PECH - marriage and death BARTCH - death PERTZEL - deaths SCHOLZ - deaths note: this only covers up to 1915; there would be many more if I had also searched using Holbrook. Of these half dozen families, most came from South Australia. In this general area (Albury, Walla Walla, Gerogery, Jindera, Culcairn) many of the 1867 migration from SA settled, but examining many of the names marring into these families you find those that can not be traced back to SA, hence they came from other settlements/areas. Much information can be gained from some of the family histories. I have used HOHNBERG, SCHOLZ & HARTWIG histories researching this area and I believe other families associated with this area have also produced family histories. (I suspect some are readers of this forum) My interest in your research of this area is my 'brick wall' I have a Johann Heinrich WILL, reportedly born: 5 April 1846 in Schleswig, Holstein, Germany. Who is supposed to have migrated as a child with family. He crops up in this area 1868-9 and marries Joanna Elizabeth HEPPNER at Jindera on 24 January 1870. His early movements are my mystery. Brian Rhynehart Canberra. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] The Hume Corridor > (snip) > > Holbrook was named Germantown (sic) yet I can only find at this time one family > that settled there. Surely they did not give it that name because the > publican was a German. I find references that suggest there were a number of > families there but nothing concrete. > > > I am interested in anybody who has ancestors that lived anywhere between > Sydney and Albury. > > Thanks > > Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm

Hello Albert, My family have four German ancestors who came to Australia in the 1800's, Two brothers to Victoria from the USA gold fields, to the Victorian Gold fields, 1850's. One family to QLD, and one of my husband's ancestors to NSW in the late 1800's. Regards, Jill J H Albert Just a little more info to add to your evergrowing collection. While this article deals with the emigration to the USA it does also give some info on why so many did emigrate. It is particulaly pertinent to my gg grandfather as he was not the eldest son so no chance of inheriting land. He also lied about his age and said he was 2 years older than he was when arriving in the US. This is believed to be so as not to arouse suspicion, being 23 would have mde him old enough to have done his 3 years compulsory service in the Prussian Army, he was actually only 21 and we were told he was literally smuggled out of Prussia??? He spent time in the US Goldfields, he must have made good $$ as he was then able to pay for his own passage from US to NZ then to Australia where he purchased land shortly arriving here in 1866. Hope this is of interest Cheers Michele Darwin NT - wet, humid and overcast!

Still working my way through this fascinating story of Germans to New South Wales in the 19th century. The more I research the more amazed I get. My amazement comes from the fact that nobody has ever really concentrated to tell this story in full. A long time back I came to a conclusion that there is a huge story in New South Wales and slowly but surely I am getting the evidence to prove me right. I must say now that it has been the people on this list who have helped me make that story. I am so very deeply indebted to the many subscribers to this list for the snippets of information provided over the years. Unfortunately I have simply extracted the snippet and not the sender in too many instances. So I must thank all those who have subscribed. I have worked my way through the Camden valley and through the Hunter regions. I learn that most of the migrants ventured north and south once their contracts in the Camden were completed. This led me to start working down what I have called the Hume Corridor being the area between Camden or Campbelltown and Albury. This is interesting because there seems to have been small pockets of Germans who came to Australia after 1840 and settled in various places. I suspect that often it was only one or two families. Holbrook was named Germantown yet I can only find at this time one family that settled there. Surely they did not give it that name because the publican was a German. I find references that suggest there were a number of families there but nothing concrete. I have recollections of seeing articles and emails about Germans who came out and went to Goulburn area. I have titbits about possible Germans all along the road. I am interested in anybody who has ancestors that lived anywhere between Sydney and Albury. Thanks Albert Grulke in wet miserable Melbourne