Gooday Isobelle, I have a copy of a paper entitled "MIGRANTS FROM THE HARZ MOUNTAINS IN THE KINGDOM OF HANOVER (GERMANY) 1849 - 1855. In it there is a Carl Friedrich Ludwig JAHN listed with his family. They came to SA aboard the "Dockenhuden" 26/11/1852 - 26/2/1853. His occupation was a roadworker and he was aged 17 when he came. Could this be your man? Hope so. Geoff Leunig Warragul, Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isobelle Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 5:57 Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] JAHN family > Hi all, > My gggrandfather Charles Frederick JAHN is a mystery. He was born 28/11/1844 Harz Mountains Germany. It appears that he may have arrived in Sth Australia at age of 5 but so far cannot connect him with any family arriving 1848-1850 on any shipping list. Any information or possible connections to Charles or his family greatly appreciated. > TIA, Isobelle. > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Just got home from holidays and found that a roll-call had been called, with lots of replies. My great-great parents came from the Harz mountains, more specifically from Clausthal, Zellerfeld and Altenau. They disembarked in Adelaide. G G Grandfather: Carl Heinrich Julius (Louis) LEUNIG (LEINIG), underground miner of Clausthal born 1825, arrived 1.1.1855 aboard the "Caesar Goddefroy". He married Luise Henriette Fernandiene HOLZIEGEL in Burra Burra (Kooringa) SA in September 1855. She was also known as Emma MEYER. She had been born illegitimately in Clausthal in 1825 to Johanne Augustine Henriette WUSTEFELD, her father being Johann Heinrich Friedrich ZIRKLER. Emma's mother later married Johann Carl Christian MEYER. Emma had first married Heinrick Friedrich Ludwig HOLZIEGEL in Altenau in 1846. They and their children, Johann Carl August Hermann HOLZIEGEL (Carl HOLZIGAL) and Auguste Georgine Wilhelmine HOLZIEGEL, and Emma's parents and step-brothers and sisters arrived in Adelaide in 1852 aboard the "George Washington". Emma and Louis and their children moved to Maryborough soon after their first child was born in 1856 and spent the rest of their lives gold-digging. I have quite a deal of information about these people, but any help (and photos) would be appreciated. Geoff Leunig 15 Hillandale Road Warragul Victoria 3820 Australia ph 61 3 5623 2959

Hi all, i've updated my photo album on my page. thought you might like to take a look, Ainslee http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/

Thanks Ron it was an interesting site, but I found my Bargen up near the Danish border, in Schleswig Holstein, would still love to hear from anyone who knows anything about it, Thanks Val... Mornington,Victoria

Hi Margaret you can search for them on www.naa.gov.au, Ainslee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham & Margaret Otto" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't I a naughty list admin? > Hi there, > > I was wondering what the website was for the naturalisation lists. > > Thanks, > > Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise McMahon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't I a naughty list admin? > > > > Well Ainslee, have you left Naturalizaton off your list? Easy to visit > the > > archives (online) and check if your guy/s did obtain naturalization. > > Mostly these are very informative. > > > > Denise > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi there, I was wondering what the website was for the naturalisation lists. Thanks, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't I a naughty list admin? > Well Ainslee, have you left Naturalizaton off your list? Easy to visit the > archives (online) and check if your guy/s did obtain naturalization. > Mostly these are very informative. > > Denise

HI Denise, yes also have got naturlization papers. Oops, forgot to include that one. Wonder what else there is i can find, Ainslee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't I a naughty list admin? > Well Ainslee, have you left Naturalizaton off your list? Easy to visit the > archives (online) and check if your guy/s did obtain naturalization. > Mostly these are very informative. > > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ainslee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't I a naughty list admin? > > > > Hi Albert and everyone, > > Thanks for your post Albert, was very interesting to read. After > reading > > it i've decided to make this list a little more general. Still i would > > appreciate if anyone could stick to researching their rellies of > > Australian/German descent, but also i'll accept general discussions on > > genealogy research as well. I'm fairly new to this, been doing it for 2 > > years this august and i'm wondering if i'm not looking in some of the > right > > places for resources. > > > > What i collect so far are > > > > Birth Deaths and Marriage Certificates. > > WW1 Dossiers. > > Shipping lists. > > > > What other information could i search for and how to further my > information? > > Thanks, Ainslee > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Am looking for information on the ship "Amallfy" as my G/Grandfather spelt it, or "Amalfi," a ship I found in a shipping list. Does anyone know it, my G/Grandfather Henry Rolfs, arrived in 1881 on this ship, we think he was a member of the crew, any advice on passenger lists or how to find crew lists Hoping someone can help..Val [email protected]

Thanks to listers, have found G/Grandfathers birth place, sort of. On his application for naturalization he states his Birth Place as Bargen (Bargum),Schleswig . Can anyone help me with this town, do you know of it?, where is it?, any relevant information would be most welcome. Thank you, Val Wilson [email protected]

Hi Albert and everyone, Thanks for your post Albert, was very interesting to read. After reading it i've decided to make this list a little more general. Still i would appreciate if anyone could stick to researching their rellies of Australian/German descent, but also i'll accept general discussions on genealogy research as well. I'm fairly new to this, been doing it for 2 years this august and i'm wondering if i'm not looking in some of the right places for resources. What i collect so far are Birth Deaths and Marriage Certificates. WW1 Dossiers. Shipping lists. What other information could i search for and how to further my information? Thanks, Ainslee

Well Ainslee, have you left Naturalizaton off your list? Easy to visit the archives (online) and check if your guy/s did obtain naturalization. Mostly these are very informative. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't I a naughty list admin? > Hi Albert and everyone, > Thanks for your post Albert, was very interesting to read. After reading > it i've decided to make this list a little more general. Still i would > appreciate if anyone could stick to researching their rellies of > Australian/German descent, but also i'll accept general discussions on > genealogy research as well. I'm fairly new to this, been doing it for 2 > years this august and i'm wondering if i'm not looking in some of the right > places for resources. > > What i collect so far are > > Birth Deaths and Marriage Certificates. > WW1 Dossiers. > Shipping lists. > > What other information could i search for and how to further my information? > Thanks, Ainslee > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ainslie, I just thought I would respond to your comments. I have no particular interest in who begat who so really I am not into genealogy as we seem to know it. My interest is in history and in particular the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century. I have found this and other lists invaluable for my research. In history books we get what academics write and generally that is taken from official documents and books written by other academics. The exciting thing about these lists are that one is getting history from people as they recall it or as they have been told it by their ancestors. This makes it very personal but more important from my aspect more realistic. Perhaps the memories are not as accurate as we would like but it is how each individual remembers it and that is what I find important. I started out with intent of writing a small book which I do in my old age as a hobby, but I now have enough material to write a dozen small books. perhaps one day soon I will achieve my goal and maybe somebody might even read one of them. The reasons I came onto this list was to try and unveil the story of Germanic settlement outside of South Australia and Queensland. You would be surprised how much I have put together in a few months. Mind you the story has still not started to come out. WE of Germanic descendants have a proud historical story to be told. I reckon we should all stand up proudly to tell it because rural Australia might never have been developed as a European nation if that is what we are but for the tenacity, ingenuity and commitment of these people. So I say keep the stories coming even if they do not tell you fathered who and when. Let us talk a lot more about why, when , how and where. Just thought I would share those thoughts with you Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Ainslee [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 6:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? Hi all, I just wanted to post something slightly off topic but not really. I just got 2 world war 1 dossier's from the national archives of australia. I cannot believe the information involved. HEAPS. So if you have any rellies in ww1 you want info on i'd recommend doing this, costs about $15 per dossier. Cheers, Ainslee http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/ ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Valerie Would this be your town http://www.kartenmeister.com/City.asp?CitNum=32272 Ron Clark East Fremantle Western Australia this message has been scanned by Norton Anti Virus 2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie J Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Help,German town Bargen > Thanks to listers, have found G/Grandfathers birth place, sort of. On his application for naturalization he states his Birth Place as Bargen (Bargum),Schleswig . > Can anyone help me with this town, do you know of it?, where is it?, any relevant information would be most welcome. > Thank you, Val Wilson [email protected] > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Helen, !0 years ago we were married in Bundaberg by a Micheal Ubergang. He was a minister with the Lutheran Church. He was only quite young and apparently had some tie in with my mother-in-laws, sisters husband.???? Allison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Fw: ROLL CALL - FRANTZ - JANETZKI- MUES - STURM - BENSCHNIEDER - UBERGANG > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Helen Williams > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:56 PM > Subject: ROLL CALL - FRANTZ - JANETZKI- MUES - STURM - BENSCHNIEDER - UBERGANG > > > Friedrich FRANTZ arrived 1855 on the HEINRICH from Hamburg. (Crossen) > This is all we know of his prior life. > Are there passenger lists available anywhere? > > Married Anna Dorothea JANETZKI, daughter of Johann George JANETZKI, who arrived in 1838 in the ZEBRA and Louise LOTH, had several children near Handorf and came to Cohuna, Victoria about 1875. > > Associated names: STURM, MUES, BENSCHNIEDER, UBERGANG > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Robyn, I am no expert but have had a little luck myself in requesting birth certificates. First locate the Rathaus (town hall) that supports your members birthtown. Then write to the Standesamt of that Rathaus and simply request the documentation you want. You may have to later pay for it (eg approx 9 Euro for one that I got from Leipzig, 6 Euro for one from another location). You should provide photocopies with your written request substantiating your own identification. In replying to your request, you may likely get a "modern" birth notice ie an official transcript from the Rathaus giving the essential birth details then stamped and certified. To get a photocopy of the original birth certificate may take another follow up letter or clearer instructions in your original request as to what you want. I recieved the former (a modern version) when writing but when I had the good fortune to visit Leipzig myself, I had no problems getting a photocopy of the original. The birth certificates I have got to date have been very early 1900's. I think earlier birth records may become a little problematic as church authorities were involved in these. Marriage records are also held by the Standesamt of the relevant Rathaus. Hope this helps a little. Luke Ronlund _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Could someone please help me with information on birth and marriages from Germany. My husbands G.G.Grandparents Henry Gottlieb MEIS and Catherine nee (DOERFLEEN )arrived in Adelaide 1855 on the ship Recruit with 2 children, Gottlieb age 8 and Charlotte age 4. By the time they reached Victoria their name had changed to MAES. On Gottlieb's naturalisation papers in 1907, he was born 28 June 1847 Stuttgart, Germany. Can I get a certificate of his birth and his parents marriage, if so how. The other information I have is Henry father was Gottlieb and Catherine father was Conrad and mother was madelina. Any help will be greatly appreciated Robyn

----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Williams To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: ROLL CALL - FRANTZ - JANETZKI- MUES - STURM - BENSCHNIEDER - UBERGANG Friedrich FRANTZ arrived 1855 on the HEINRICH from Hamburg. (Crossen) This is all we know of his prior life. Are there passenger lists available anywhere? Married Anna Dorothea JANETZKI, daughter of Johann George JANETZKI, who arrived in 1838 in the ZEBRA and Louise LOTH, had several children near Handorf and came to Cohuna, Victoria about 1875. Associated names: STURM, MUES, BENSCHNIEDER, UBERGANG

Hi Helen, My GGGgrandfather Wilhelm Heinrich HIRTH married Hanna STURM. Their son, my GGgrandfather Johann Friedrich HIRTH b 16 July 1815 Kay Zillichau, Brandenburg , Germany d 15 Nov. 1875 Mt. Gambier SA Aus m Johanne Helene A/Edlich b 14 Sept. 1811 Germany d 13 Jan 1880 Mt. Gambier, SA Aus. Not sure if this ties in with you or not. Regards Helen - in HOT Melbourne Aus. Helen Williams wrote: > Subject: ROLL CALL - FRANTZ - JANETZKI- MUES - STURM - BENSCHNIEDER - UBERGANG > > Friedrich FRANTZ arrived 1855 on the HEINRICH from Hamburg. (Crossen) > This is all we know of his prior life. > Are there passenger lists available anywhere? > > Married Anna Dorothea JANETZKI, daughter of Johann George JANETZKI, who arrived in 1838 in the ZEBRA and Louise LOTH, had several children near Handorf and came to Cohuna, Victoria about 1875. > > Associated names: STURM, MUES, BENSCHNIEDER, UBERGANG >

Hi Pauline, going to Canberra in 2 weeks for a week. I have so much to do! so little time! But i'll definitely be going there, Ainslee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline V Sainsbury" <[email protected]> To: "Ainslee" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > Dear Ainslee, > The Australian War Memorial has microfilm of WW1 dairies and copies of some > personal diaries which help considerable in filling in the details. If you > are ever in Canberra I highly recommend a week in their research centre. > See AWM website for details of their holdings. They are also embarking on > the long process of putting all WW2 diaries on the net. > Hope this helps, > Pauline > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ainslee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 6:13 > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > > > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to post something slightly off topic but not really. > > > > I just got 2 world war 1 dossier's from the national archives of > australia. I cannot believe the information involved. HEAPS. So if you have > any rellies in ww1 you want info on i'd recommend doing this, costs about > $15 per dossier. Cheers, Ainslee > > http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/ > > > > ______________________________ >

Dear Ainslee, The Australian War Memorial has microfilm of WW1 dairies and copies of some personal diaries which help considerable in filling in the details. If you are ever in Canberra I highly recommend a week in their research centre. See AWM website for details of their holdings. They are also embarking on the long process of putting all WW2 diaries on the net. Hope this helps, Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 6:13 Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > Hi all, > I just wanted to post something slightly off topic but not really. > > I just got 2 world war 1 dossier's from the national archives of australia. I cannot believe the information involved. HEAPS. So if you have any rellies in ww1 you want info on i'd recommend doing this, costs about $15 per dossier. Cheers, Ainslee > http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/ > > ______________________________