A report on German emigration to SA in 1845 http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/sa1.htm all the best Jenny Fawcett

My intrests,are HIELSCHERS in Australia,and Germany Jocelyn

Giday Folks, The subject book has a lot of historical information about the early German immigrants to Victoria. If anyone who wishes to buy it, is having difficulty contacting Co-Author Robert Wuchatsch through the Wendish Historical Society, his other address is: PO Box 189 World Trade Centre MELBOURNE V 3005 Regards Bob Bob Moritz e-mail - [email protected]

A report on Maria Keller and her emigrants being removed from their settlement to Hernhutt in Victoria http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/migrate11.htm all the best Jenny Fawcett

Jenny and Netta, Hate to be the 'bearer of bad tidings', but ... Many Marriage Certificates (where the event was registered NSW or Qld) dating from the period prior to 1890s do not provide the names of the couple's parents, as it was not required/mandatory at the time. Certificates from the 1850s/1860s, in particular, are 'lacking' in this regard. Naturalization records, although often of real assistance, must also be taken with a 'grain of salt'. 'Port of departure' eg. Hamburg was often given rather than 'Birthplace', or the nearest 'metropolitan centre' of any real size was given rather than the little villages where many of our German forefathers were born/had lived. Or, in my forefather's case, for whatever reason, the information supplied by him was completely false. He lied about his birthplace/age and stated he was a widower with four children when, in fact, his wife was alive (albeit estranged from him) and 9 of their 12 children were living at the time of his application! You might like to try the following site: http://foko.genealogy.net/index.jsp If you leave all fields blank, except for ' Name' (type 'Bussman' or 'Bussmann' in here) all the listings for that surname will appear. If you then tick the box along side any that appear promising, an e-mail will be sent to you with contact details for the person or institution who has the research pertaining to this surname. (You would then need to write and explain your quest.) Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes.

Hi Lisa , Id have most of those names you are loking for how can I help? Jocelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Campbell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: AUS-GERMAN New user > Hi, > I'm researching my family history on my Grandmother's side and am wondering > if anyone is related to these surnames- Kahler, Fuchs, Nitshinsk, Schmidt, > Deutshmann, Ehrlich or Thurau. Some of these relations emigrated from > Germany to Maryborough and Brisbane QLD. > Thanks, > Lisa > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello , Yes I do have many of those names you are searching for , Please get in touch Jocelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Campbell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: AUS-GERMAN New user > Hi, > I'm researching my family history on my Grandmother's side and am wondering > if anyone is related to these surnames- Kahler, Fuchs, Nitshinsk, Schmidt, > Deutshmann, Ehrlich or Thurau. Some of these relations emigrated from > Germany to Maryborough and Brisbane QLD. > Thanks, > Lisa > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jenny - when you say you have "checked naturalisation records" do you mean you have obtained copies of his naturalisation papers? They should give you the best reliable starting detail on him, because he would have supplied it himself. No parents on marriage records is curious though. Civil record? If so, I suggest you also try the church for a copy of its record and papers for his marriage. Good hunting. Netta Heine jenny wrote: > > Hello Listers > I am trying to find where my g.gfather was born. On > his death certificate in 1896, his place of birth was > shown as Hamburg, the informant was a man he had > worked with, his wife had died 20 years earlier. > Checking on the IGI,I couldn't find any match for him. > I have checked the Naturalisation records, and found > him there,it seems he paid his own way to Australia, > and a check of the shipping records for 1863 doesn't > list him at all. > There are no parents listed on either his marriage or > death certificates. > All of this information about my g.gfather I have > found since my Mum died 5 years ago and there are no > relatives alive that I can ask to help me. > I have been in touch by mail with a couple of > Bussman's I found in the telephone directories,they > are not related to my George and can help me no > further. > Would someone be able to advise me of what to do or > where to look next please? > Regards > Jenny > > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! > - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Listers I am trying to find where my g.gfather was born. On his death certificate in 1896, his place of birth was shown as Hamburg, the informant was a man he had worked with, his wife had died 20 years earlier. Checking on the IGI,I couldn't find any match for him. I have checked the Naturalisation records, and found him there,it seems he paid his own way to Australia, and a check of the shipping records for 1863 doesn't list him at all. There are no parents listed on either his marriage or death certificates. All of this information about my g.gfather I have found since my Mum died 5 years ago and there are no relatives alive that I can ask to help me. I have been in touch by mail with a couple of Bussman's I found in the telephone directories,they are not related to my George and can help me no further. Would someone be able to advise me of what to do or where to look next please? Regards Jenny http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own!

Hi, I'm researching my family history on my Grandmother's side and am wondering if anyone is related to these surnames- Kahler, Fuchs, Nitshinsk, Schmidt, Deutshmann, Ehrlich or Thurau. Some of these relations emigrated from Germany to Maryborough and Brisbane QLD. Thanks, Lisa _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Hi Lisa My great-grandmother was a Fuchs, from Maryborough. My wife has all the details. Let me know if you'd like to know more. Regards Alan Pomering

What is a denization record? Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Edwards [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 4:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Denization Records Hi Everyone, Is anyone able to enlighten me as to where I might get NSW denization records for my Frederick Paul? I already have the record number - just want the paper work. Cheers, Catherine in Sunny Baranduda ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks Yvonne - so things in life are so simple.... Cheers, Catherine

Can SKS translate this to "OZ" for us - it looks interesting , but my German is a bit limited. Yvonne Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: monika.nicolaus <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [NORDRHEIN-WESTFALEN] REINS family and illegal emigration > Hallo Fred, > bei der heimlichen Auswanderung handelt es sich um illegale > Auswanderung. Die verschiedenen Territorien erhoben > Auswanderungsverbote, Sicherung der Arbeitsplaetze usw. 1831 hat die > Verfassung ein Recht auf Auswanderung gebracht. In Hessen-Kassel > konnten sich das zunaechst nur die Vermoegenden leisten. Ab 1845 > gingen auch immer mehr Arme, wenn sie die erforderlichen 50 Taler > fuer die Ueberfahrt aufbringen konnten. > Quelle: Auswanderung aus Hessen, Katalog zu einer Ausstellung (Es > sind aber keine Namen angegeben. > > Aus welcher Gegend kam die Familie REINS? > > Viele Gruesse > Monika (Nicolaus) > mailto: [email protected] > URL: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.nicolaus > > > Fred Kligge schrieb am 21.01.2002: > >Dear Folks: I writing down the history of my REINS family from > >Hesse > >Cassel and found that in my notes I had a reference to the following > >book: > >"Westfalische Auswanderer aus dem Regierungsbezirk Miden Heimliche > >Auswanderung". > >It apparently lists information on the emigration of my REINS family. > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ainslee Prior to naturalisation laws being passed, an Act of Parliament was required to enable an alien to renounce his nationality, and gain the right to own land. Letters of Denization 1834 - 1847. Yvonne Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Denization Records > Hi Catherine, what's a denization record? Ainslee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Edwards" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Denization Records > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Is anyone able to enlighten me as to where I might get NSW denization > > records for my Frederick Paul? I already have the record number - just > want > > the paper work. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Catherine in Sunny Baranduda > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Catherine, Write to the NSW State Archives and request a copy. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Denization Records > Hi Catherine, what's a denization record? Ainslee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Edwards" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:32 PM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Denization Records > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Is anyone able to enlighten me as to where I might get NSW denization > > records for my Frederick Paul? I already have the record number - just > want > > the paper work. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Catherine in Sunny Baranduda > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I don't really know Ainslee but the good old dictionary says a denizen is a person established in a place where they are not native.... Cheers, Catherine

Hi Catherine, what's a denization record? Ainslee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Edwards" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Denization Records > Hi Everyone, > > Is anyone able to enlighten me as to where I might get NSW denization > records for my Frederick Paul? I already have the record number - just want > the paper work. > > Cheers, > > Catherine in Sunny Baranduda > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm just quoting a local WW1 researcher who has done extensive work on WW1. His family claim he could navigate around the trenches better than the local streets. He told me that many German names where anglicized so as to prevent this, I will get to him this Friday and see if he can substantiate his claim. Regards, gillian On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:56 AM, Topperwien, Bruce [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > I would be interested in the source of the information that the Germans > executed POWs with German names. I suspect it was propaganda rather than > fact. It is not mentioned by the Australian Official Historian, CEW Bean, > and hundreds of South Australians with German names were captured in WW1 > (including one of my relatives, Edgar Hugh Topperwien, 50th Battalion, AIF) > and they were returned (relatively) unharmed. > > Bruce Topperwien > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gillian Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > > It isn't off topic as a number of German speaking men went to WW1, the > children of German immigrants went to the war too. > I have Hans Stoltenberg who served in WW1 (son and grandson of German > immigrants) what is unusal about him is that he served under his real name. > The Germans in WW1 shot as traitors those who had German names who fought > for the allies, so if uncle Herman dissappeared arround WW1 he may have > gone to war, under an assumed name! > Regards, > Gillian > > On Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:14 PM, Ainslee > [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to post something slightly off topic but not really. > > > > I just got 2 world war 1 dossier's from the national archives of > australia. I cannot believe the information involved. HEAPS. So if you have > any rellies in ww1 you want info on i'd recommend doing this, costs about > $15 per dossier. Cheers, Ainslee > > http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/ > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________ > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

G'day all I've just joined and thought I'd list the details of the German ancestor I'm trying to research. My great grandmother, Amelia DONBROWSKA, was born in Berlin on 29/1/1825 and arrived in Australia on 16/11/1842 on board the Helvellyn (according to her Naturaliastion Papers). In 1845, in Sydney, she married Pedro Francisco MORALES and they lived in the Redfern area up until the time of her death in 1913. Would love to hear from anyone else who is connected to Amelia, or who knows anything about her. Regards Pete http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own!