Hello Denise In the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 there is an entry for Josiah Wasley born 6.7.1852 at Burra SA.Farmer and labourer at Dutton, Lower Light Two Wells. Religion: Methodist. married Anna Schoel/Scholl on 16.6.1876 at Dutton SA. Her father's name was Christian Wilhelm. She was born around 1857 remarried J McCullach. Her religion was Lutheran. Children: Susan (1877-), Sidney (1879-) Ernest 1883-) Josiah Wasley's parent were Henry and Jane nee Hosken. Anna's parents also have an entry: Christian Wilhelm Schoel b. around 1817 died 6.5.1898 buried at Light Pass. SA. Resided at Dutton. Religion Lutheran married 16.11.1857 in SA to Eleonora born around 1824, died 27.3.1904. Children: Anna WASLEY, McCULLAGH (c.1857). Regards Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > Hello List, > Could anyone on the list tell me if there are any details on an Eleanora > Schoell or Scholl (unsure of the spelling ) born 1n 1857 ?. She married my > great great Grandfather Josiah Wasley 9BORN 1852) in between 1870-1877. My > great Grandmother was their first child Susan Jane Wasley born on 19th April > 1877. > Any help would be much appreciated > in South Australia > Denise > ()-() > (*.*) > (.)~*~(.) > (_)-(_) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WITTWER" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > Hi Kath > > The books give biographical details of all known people who lived in South > > Australia during the first fifty years of colonisation. It came about > > through the South Australian Genealogy and Heraldry Society who decided to > > support the Project as its contribution to South Australia's > > Sesquicenternay - Jubilee 150 Year. An extensive search of public and > > private sources was made as well as there being submitted material by > > individuals. Hope this answers your question. > > Regards > > Robin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > Thank you Robin. > > > > > > What are the books all about? How did they come into being? > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Kath > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: WITTWER <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kath, > > > > The Biographical Index is 4 books. It can be purchased from the South > > > > Australian Genealogical & Heraldry Society Inc., GPO Box 592. Adelaide > > SA > > > > 5001 > > > > Regards > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:49 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Robin > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for the information, it is greatly, greatly > > > > appreciated! > > > > > Is the Biographical Index a book? Is it something that can be > > purchased > > > > by > > > > > individuals? > > > > > > > > > > Kindest regards > > > > > Kath > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: WITTWER <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:36 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Katherine > > > > > > The Biographical Index of South Australian 1836-1885 lists a > > Friedrich > > > > > > Schulz born 17.7.1827 Lauthental, Harz, Hanover. arrived 1849 on > the > > > > > 'George > > > > > > Washington', was a farmer as Angas Park, Burra, religion Lutheran, > > > > married > > > > > > Auguste nee Geyer born 19.1.1832. Children Wilhelm (1851-), > Johanne > > > > Maria > > > > > > Wilhelmine (1855-) Carl Heinrich Christian (1859). > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:57 PM > > > > > > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wishing all of you a belated happy new year! Here's my list of > > > German > > > > > > ancestors, if anyone else may be researching the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SHULZ, Johann Christian Friedrich b 1827 in ?, died in South > > > Australia > > > > > > > GEYER, Auguste Emilie Henrietta b 1832 in ?, died in South > > Australia > > > > > > > GRIMM, Georg Ernst Christian b 1812 in Germany, died 10/8/1882 > in > > SA > > > > > > > GIESEKE, Henriette Auguste b 1814 in Germany, died 19/1/1887 in > SA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you recognise any of the surnames, or individuals mentioned > > > please > > > > > drop > > > > > > me a line! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Listers I have an interest in the settlement of New Italy (near Woodburn) as one of my (indirect) ancestors married an original settler, and as such, I have obtained a copy of "Our Italian Heritage 1880 - 1980" compiled by HT De Stefani and SM Craven. and "History of the German Community in the Clarence River District of NSW" written by Geoffrey Burkhardt and Nola Mackey. I am happy to do lookups, but please be aware that it might take a bit of time to get back to you due to work commitments!! regards Regina ===== Main Family history ancestors: CRAIG, KNIGHT, CASTLEDINE, BASSMAN, RODGERS,GRAHAM, MILNE, LAING, JACKSCHON, TAYLOR, OXFORD, NEEDHAM, MEURY, STEUDER (307 families in total.) Visit http://craighistory.cjb.net/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Hello Denise I believe that my great grandfather drove Cobb & Co coaches with Carcoar included en route . Any ideas? Thanks for your interest Jenni ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] RESEARCHING BAUMGARTEN, BAMGARTEN > Jenni - hi. > > Just a quick note. My great grandfather had coach lines around that area, > some of them ran under the Cobb & Co banner, but mostly it was Crawford & > Connolly or H.A Crawford & Co. > > Where did your gg drive to and from do you know? > > Was it into Corryong or that area? > > Denise in Brisbane. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenni Vassallo" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:30 PM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] RESEARCHING BAUMGARTEN, BAMGARTEN > > > > > > HELLO LISTERS > > > > I NEED HELP ESTABLISHING BACKGROUND DETAILS OF MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, > ALBERT > > A. BAMGARTEN, WHO RAISED A LARGE FAMILY IN THE TUMBARUMBA AREA OF NSW LATE > > 1800'S - EARLY 1900'S. FAMILY LATER MOVED TO COOTAMUNDRA. I BELIEVE HE > > DROVE A COBB & CO COACH. > > > > ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED > > > > JENNI > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is Carcoar up past Gundegai? My gg's line didn't venture that far as far as Iknow. But I learn every day. In the meantime, there are several Cobb & Co websites and good also. Try Google.com and then Cobb & Co. I was looking around them the other night. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenni Vassallo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] RESEARCHING BAUMGARTEN, BAMGARTEN > Hello Denise > > I believe that my great grandfather drove Cobb & Co coaches with Carcoar > included en route . Any ideas? > > Thanks for your interest > > Jenni > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise McMahon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] RESEARCHING BAUMGARTEN, BAMGARTEN > > > > Jenni - hi. > > > > Just a quick note. My great grandfather had coach lines around that area, > > some of them ran under the Cobb & Co banner, but mostly it was Crawford & > > Connolly or H.A Crawford & Co. > > > > Where did your gg drive to and from do you know? > > > > Was it into Corryong or that area? > > > > Denise in Brisbane. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenni Vassallo" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:30 PM > > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] RESEARCHING BAUMGARTEN, BAMGARTEN > > > > > > > > > > HELLO LISTERS > > > > > > I NEED HELP ESTABLISHING BACKGROUND DETAILS OF MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, > > ALBERT > > > A. BAMGARTEN, WHO RAISED A LARGE FAMILY IN THE TUMBARUMBA AREA OF NSW > LATE > > > 1800'S - EARLY 1900'S. FAMILY LATER MOVED TO COOTAMUNDRA. I BELIEVE > HE > > > DROVE A COBB & CO COACH. > > > > > > ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED > > > > > > JENNI > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

HELLO LISTERS I NEED HELP ESTABLISHING BACKGROUND DETAILS OF MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, ALBERT A. BAMGARTEN, WHO RAISED A LARGE FAMILY IN THE TUMBARUMBA AREA OF NSW LATE 1800'S - EARLY 1900'S. FAMILY LATER MOVED TO COOTAMUNDRA. I BELIEVE HE DROVE A COBB & CO COACH. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED JENNI

Jenni - hi. Just a quick note. My great grandfather had coach lines around that area, some of them ran under the Cobb & Co banner, but mostly it was Crawford & Connolly or H.A Crawford & Co. Where did your gg drive to and from do you know? Was it into Corryong or that area? Denise in Brisbane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenni Vassallo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] RESEARCHING BAUMGARTEN, BAMGARTEN > > HELLO LISTERS > > I NEED HELP ESTABLISHING BACKGROUND DETAILS OF MY GREAT GRANDFATHER, ALBERT > A. BAMGARTEN, WHO RAISED A LARGE FAMILY IN THE TUMBARUMBA AREA OF NSW LATE > 1800'S - EARLY 1900'S. FAMILY LATER MOVED TO COOTAMUNDRA. I BELIEVE HE > DROVE A COBB & CO COACH. > > ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED > > JENNI > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone can give advice on gathering information. I'm currently doing my family tree as well as a one name study, and i've got two folders worth of stuff, i'm wondering what's a good system to organise my info? Any ideas? ainslee http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/

Hi all! Further to this discussion, when searching for our ancestors, we discovered children baptised in the church records and buried in funeral parlour records, who have not been recorded in the civil records. Mostly these children died at birth or soon after sometimes buried with their mother who also didn't survive the event, but one child we found in cemetery records that doesn't appear in any legal listing was 12 years old. I understand that occasionally civil records got lost or damaged (water did terrible things to ink!) and so they do not appear in the listings that we are searching. I have also noticed that sometimes babes who died at or soon after birth, were only recorded in the deaths, their births weren't registered. Something to keep in mind when your searches come up blank. Chris C. where the cool change has created a dust storm!

regarding if the couple signed 2 certificates or not......I dont believe that to be the case at all. My couple signed 1 cert/ reg. entry book at the church....BUT ....WHOEVER TRANSCRIBED THE RECORD FOR bdm NSW omitted the parents names / occupations . Not only am I crabby about that....but because it is only a copy of the entry, the all important signatures were absent too. Now I paid full price over the counter for my 1st "copy" $20...& I feel cheated by the system that BDM NSW has adopted. If I had engaged a transcription agent for this cert. then I would understand that it is a pay per item charge etc, but it is supposed to be a complete record & no omissions. I wonder how many other records are like this ? BFN Yvonne Marshall in Melbourne........more to come when we get to the bottom of it.

Lisa , I have only one Hienrich Kahler but many Schmidt's , Nitshinsk's a few Deutshmann,and Thurau's . Be very happy to share information with you . Jocelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Campbell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: AUS-GERMAN New user > Hi, > I'm researching my family history on my Grandmother's side and am wondering > if anyone is related to these surnames- Kahler, Fuchs, Nitshinsk, Schmidt, > Deutshmann, Ehrlich or Thurau. Some of these relations emigrated from > Germany to Maryborough and Brisbane QLD. > Thanks, > Lisa > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi everyone! I'm searching for information on "Grill" or "Grilk". It's confusing because I have certificates with Grill as the original name,but then it changes to Grilk. I don't know whether my ancestors were Grill's from Germany or Grilk's from the Netherlands. If what you were all saying about people changing their names were true,it's more than likely they were German Grill's and changed the "l" to a "k" to make Grilk. Would I be correct in thinking that? Or would it be possible that the spelling could have been wrong back in the early 1800's? Any suggestions? Thanks kindly, Sharron

Christopher and Sophie WEISS were the parents of Rosine Wilhelmine WEISS. Rosine was b.c. 1835 Württemberg She married Louis UHLMAN/N, Moreton Bay, Brisbane 05 Sept. 1859 (Qld Ref. 224 1856 - 1873 Brisbane, Q.) I am particularly interested to know if Christian & Sophie emigrated to Australia, along with Rosine and, if so, when and on what vessel? (Louis UHLMAN/N arriv. Moreton Bay 25 May 1859 per "Solon".) Any information most welcome. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes.

Yes it was propaganda, but especially at the beginning of the war it was quite widely believed. The recruiting sergeant at Lithgow NSW (someone Mc-) did believe it and told his recruits to change their Germanic names. So Martyn became Martin, the man I spoke about knew a family where the Martin changed his name and his brother didn't. My contact also says the in an English book (which he cannot remember the name of off the top of his head) refered to the story. So German names where changed, especially at the start of the war, usually because the recruiting people suggested it. regards, Gillian On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:56 AM, Topperwien, Bruce [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > I would be interested in the source of the information that the Germans > executed POWs with German names. I suspect it was propaganda rather than > fact. It is not mentioned by the Australian Official Historian, CEW Bean, > and hundreds of South Australians with German names were captured in WW1 > (including one of my relatives, Edgar Hugh Topperwien, 50th Battalion, AIF) > and they were returned (relatively) unharmed. > > Bruce Topperwien > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gillian Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > > It isn't off topic as a number of German speaking men went to WW1, the > children of German immigrants went to the war too. > I have Hans Stoltenberg who served in WW1 (son and grandson of German > immigrants) what is unusal about him is that he served under his real name. > The Germans in WW1 shot as traitors those who had German names who fought > for the allies, so if uncle Herman dissappeared arround WW1 he may have > gone to war, under an assumed name! > Regards, > Gillian > > On Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:14 PM, Ainslee > [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just wanted to post something slightly off topic but not really. > > > > I just got 2 world war 1 dossier's from the national archives of > australia. I cannot believe the information involved. HEAPS. So if you have > any rellies in ww1 you want info on i'd recommend doing this, costs about > $15 per dossier. Cheers, Ainslee > > http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/ > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________ > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi List This discussion pertains to genealogy because of the name changes. 10% + of the AIF were German descent and not necessarily with German surnames, if you go to www.awm.gov.au and type your German name in the WW1 nominal roll you probably find the name you are after. My wife's friend is a Frank and when I checked the BDM's for her 1910,1913,1915 and 1917, the names were Carl Johan Franke, Johanna Franke, then with the Wartime births, Ethel Gallipolli Frank and John Anzac Frank, I kid you not. I did write to the War Memorial in regard to this question on Germanic names and did not receive a reply as I have a distant relation KIA in Crete he was a Piltz, all up 9 Piltz's served in both wars, the Australian Air Vice Marshal (RAAF) was Germanic from early settlers, the Poms would not allow our head of the air Force to serve in Europe because of his name. I hope this helps. Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gillian Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > Yes it was propaganda, but especially at the beginning of the war it was > quite widely believed. The recruiting sergeant at Lithgow NSW (someone Mc-) > did believe it and told his recruits to change their Germanic names. So > Martyn became Martin, the man I spoke about knew a family where the Martin > changed his name and his brother didn't. My contact also says the in an > English book (which he cannot remember the name of off the top of his head) > refered to the story. So German names where changed, especially at the > start of the war, usually because the recruiting people suggested it. > regards, > Gillian > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:56 AM, Topperwien, Bruce > [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > I would be interested in the source of the information that the Germans > > executed POWs with German names. I suspect it was propaganda rather than > > fact. It is not mentioned by the Australian Official Historian, CEW Bean, > > and hundreds of South Australians with German names were captured in WW1 > > (including one of my relatives, Edgar Hugh Topperwien, 50th Battalion, > AIF) > > and they were returned (relatively) unharmed. > > > > Bruce Topperwien > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gillian Baker [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:17 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Aren't i a naughty list admin? > > > > It isn't off topic as a number of German speaking men went to WW1, the > > children of German immigrants went to the war too. > > I have Hans Stoltenberg who served in WW1 (son and grandson of German > > immigrants) what is unusal about him is that he served under his real > name. > > The Germans in WW1 shot as traitors those who had German names who fought > > for the allies, so if uncle Herman dissappeared arround WW1 he may have > > gone to war, under an assumed name! > > Regards, > > Gillian > > > > On Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:14 PM, Ainslee > > [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I just wanted to post something slightly off topic but not really. > > > > > > I just got 2 world war 1 dossier's from the national archives of > > australia. I cannot believe the information involved. HEAPS. So if you > have > > any rellies in ww1 you want info on i'd recommend doing this, costs about > > $15 per dossier. Cheers, Ainslee > > > http://ainslee.fourdegrees.com/ > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yvonne, Your message raises some very good points. I'd like to make some more points. First, am I right to believe the couple frequently sign TWO "original" registers? Both Civil and Church (if married in church or by clergy, of course)? Second, for Civil records, we need to make clear if we are getting/quoting full records, or extracts only (meaning only limited details were supplied for the fee). Third, for Church marriage, I've had some success getting the signed "applications to wed" so to speak, completed by the pair before being wed, and noted some wonderful "variations" and crossings out (!!) in the written details. Netta Yvonne Marshall wrote: > > Recently we found that the ORIGINAL of our GGrandparents marriage entry DID > have their Parents names & occupations, and the young couples signatures too > ! The copy we purchased from NSW rec's dept did not include these bits of > info, left off by someone ???? As they were married in a church (1890) @ > Gosford my cousin rang Univ. of Sydney History Dept , on a hunch , and they > had the original registers with all the details. A lesson here is not to > take things at face value or no for an answer. > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello List, Could anyone on the list tell me if there are any details on an Eleanora Schoell or Scholl (unsure of the spelling ) born 1n 1857 ?. She married my great great Grandfather Josiah Wasley 9BORN 1852) in between 1870-1877. My great Grandmother was their first child Susan Jane Wasley born on 19th April 1877. Any help would be much appreciated in South Australia Denise ()-() (*.*) (.)~*~(.) (_)-(_) ----- Original Message ----- From: "WITTWER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > Hi Kath > The books give biographical details of all known people who lived in South > Australia during the first fifty years of colonisation. It came about > through the South Australian Genealogy and Heraldry Society who decided to > support the Project as its contribution to South Australia's > Sesquicenternay - Jubilee 150 Year. An extensive search of public and > private sources was made as well as there being submitted material by > individuals. Hope this answers your question. > Regards > Robin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > Thank you Robin. > > > > What are the books all about? How did they come into being? > > > > Kind regards > > Kath > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: WITTWER <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > Hi Kath, > > > The Biographical Index is 4 books. It can be purchased from the South > > > Australian Genealogical & Heraldry Society Inc., GPO Box 592. Adelaide > SA > > > 5001 > > > Regards > > > Robin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:49 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > Dear Robin > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for the information, it is greatly, greatly > > > appreciated! > > > > Is the Biographical Index a book? Is it something that can be > purchased > > > by > > > > individuals? > > > > > > > > Kindest regards > > > > Kath > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: WITTWER <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:36 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Katherine > > > > > The Biographical Index of South Australian 1836-1885 lists a > Friedrich > > > > > Schulz born 17.7.1827 Lauthental, Harz, Hanover. arrived 1849 on the > > > > 'George > > > > > Washington', was a farmer as Angas Park, Burra, religion Lutheran, > > > married > > > > > Auguste nee Geyer born 19.1.1832. Children Wilhelm (1851-), Johanne > > > Maria > > > > > Wilhelmine (1855-) Carl Heinrich Christian (1859). > > > > > Regards > > > > > Robin > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:57 PM > > > > > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > > > > > Wishing all of you a belated happy new year! Here's my list of > > German > > > > > ancestors, if anyone else may be researching the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > SHULZ, Johann Christian Friedrich b 1827 in ?, died in South > > Australia > > > > > > GEYER, Auguste Emilie Henrietta b 1832 in ?, died in South > Australia > > > > > > GRIMM, Georg Ernst Christian b 1812 in Germany, died 10/8/1882 in > SA > > > > > > GIESEKE, Henriette Auguste b 1814 in Germany, died 19/1/1887 in SA > > > > > > > > > > > > If you recognise any of the surnames, or individuals mentioned > > please > > > > drop > > > > > me a line! > > > > > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Kath The books give biographical details of all known people who lived in South Australia during the first fifty years of colonisation. It came about through the South Australian Genealogy and Heraldry Society who decided to support the Project as its contribution to South Australia's Sesquicenternay - Jubilee 150 Year. An extensive search of public and private sources was made as well as there being submitted material by individuals. Hope this answers your question. Regards Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > Thank you Robin. > > What are the books all about? How did they come into being? > > Kind regards > Kath > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WITTWER <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > Hi Kath, > > The Biographical Index is 4 books. It can be purchased from the South > > Australian Genealogical & Heraldry Society Inc., GPO Box 592. Adelaide SA > > 5001 > > Regards > > Robin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > Dear Robin > > > > > > Thank you very much for the information, it is greatly, greatly > > appreciated! > > > Is the Biographical Index a book? Is it something that can be purchased > > by > > > individuals? > > > > > > Kindest regards > > > Kath > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: WITTWER <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > Hi Katherine > > > > The Biographical Index of South Australian 1836-1885 lists a Friedrich > > > > Schulz born 17.7.1827 Lauthental, Harz, Hanover. arrived 1849 on the > > > 'George > > > > Washington', was a farmer as Angas Park, Burra, religion Lutheran, > > married > > > > Auguste nee Geyer born 19.1.1832. Children Wilhelm (1851-), Johanne > > Maria > > > > Wilhelmine (1855-) Carl Heinrich Christian (1859). > > > > Regards > > > > Robin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Katherine & Hamish Johnstone" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 2:57 PM > > > > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Roll Call > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > > > Wishing all of you a belated happy new year! Here's my list of > German > > > > ancestors, if anyone else may be researching the same? > > > > > > > > > > SHULZ, Johann Christian Friedrich b 1827 in ?, died in South > Australia > > > > > GEYER, Auguste Emilie Henrietta b 1832 in ?, died in South Australia > > > > > GRIMM, Georg Ernst Christian b 1812 in Germany, died 10/8/1882 in SA > > > > > GIESEKE, Henriette Auguste b 1814 in Germany, died 19/1/1887 in SA > > > > > > > > > > If you recognise any of the surnames, or individuals mentioned > please > > > drop > > > > me a line! > > > > > > > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Recently we found that the ORIGINAL of our GGrandparents marriage entry DID have their Parents names & occupations, and the young couples signatures too ! The copy we purchased from NSW rec's dept did not include these bits of info, left off by someone ???? As they were married in a church (1890) @ Gosford my cousin rang Univ. of Sydney History Dept , on a hunch , and they had the original registers with all the details. A lesson here is not to take things at face value or no for an answer.

thankyou for the translation help. regards Yvonne in Australia

G,Day I am looking for information on the ship Garone which arrived 18th July 1880 in Victoria. The Garone sailed from London. Christian August Schramm arrived on this ship he is one of our forbears. Peter Mentz and John Rheinheimer were witnesses to his marriage to Margarita Stein in Fitzroy in 1885. Do any of these names ring any bells for anyone? Margaret Stickland