Thank you Judy for the offer to share your info. I would be interested in any information on Johann Christian HAHN, my husbands family of Heinrich MEYER married a Johanna Henretta Wilhelmina HAHN in King. of Hannover prior to their immigration to Tasmania 1855. Much appreciated, Jenny Jenny Myers - Arcadia Vale NSW on beautiful Lake Macquarie President Lake Macquarie F H Group NSW http://www.lmfhg.hl.com.au Member Maitland F H Circle NSW Member Armidale F H Group NSW Member Wivelsfield History Study Group SSX

Could someone explain the difference between a sponsor and a godfather please? In my family, the church records show the children and sponsors had the same christian name. However in "Land of Milk and Honey" in a letter home, the godfather mentioned is a different person from the sponsor. I thought the sponsor and godparent were the one and same. Perhaps not? Many thanks Jackie

From www.tredalor.de/touristinfo/geld.html 1 Comerzlast = 2239.452 kg Regards Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Moritz, Bob <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:37 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] CONVERSION OF COMERZLAST > Does anyone in the AUS-GERMAN familie know the factor to convert the old > German maritime capacity COMERZLAST unit into metric mass or volume units? > > My folks came from Clausthal-Zellarfeld, via Hamburg on the Godeffroy in > 1848/49. My research indicates that the ship had a capacity of "180 > COMERZLAST." > > Regards > > Bob > > Bob Moritz > Pre-op Test Manager > Power Development Project > Boyne Smelters > > T - +61 (0)7 4973 0611 > F - +61 (0)7 4973 0942 > M - 0401 144 615 > e-mail [email protected] > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi List Tried 3 times to send this to Judy, but she received the email but not the message, says it is a problem with IE, one that has rarely happened before. So please excuse me using the list to try and get this to her: Can't understand what happened with the messages as they were in my sent Items. However here is a copy of them. thanks for your idea of Graham Journay's Australian surname List I'll give it a try. The First Families Site wasn't any good, except for her 2nd marriage. I haven't had much luck with it. I tried the Australian Surnames and I didn't find the Hoff name listed but found someone by the name of HOFF looking for someone else so I've emailed them. Who knows what may turn up. Yes I do remember who you are, and you've been fantastic with the help you've given me. Hopefully while in Adelaide I will get to SAGHS, as my plan to get to State Library in Melbourne the following week has been scuttled by other plans. We live at Sunbury, which is out past Tullamarine airport, Eddie used to work for Ansett until their "crash". However that is another story. Thanks again. Kay

Bob, Commerz Lasten i.e. 1 C.L. = 6000 Hamburg pounds/2 English tons. (Think this is from Eric and Rosemary Kopittke's series, "Emigrants from Hamburg to Australia".) As an example: The "Reiherstieg", built 1851/1852 by the shipping firm Joh Ces Godeff & Son (Johann Cesar Godeffroy) at Reiherstieg, near Hamburg, was commissioned on 02 Apr 1852 and placed under the command of a Captain T P Sparbohm. The Altonaer Museum, Hamburg, (Correspondence dated 21.07.83) describes the vessel as a brig of 100 C.L. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes. Corporations Law Section 849 Declaration - The Directors of Wilson HTM Ltd (A.B.N. 68 010 529 665) advise that they and their associates may have beneficial interests in the securities that they recommend and may receive commissions or fees in relation to dealings in these securities. Whilst Wilson HTM Ltd believes the information contained in this communication is based on reliable information, no warranty is given as to its accuracy and persons relying on this information do so at their own risk. Any projections contained in this communication are estimates only and may not be realised in the future. Subject to any liability which cannot be excluded under the Trade Practices Act, 1974 and the Corporations Law, Wilson HTM Ltd disclaims all liability to any person relying on the information contained in this communication in respect of any loss or damage (including consequential loss or damage) however caused, which may be suffered or arise directly or indirectly in respect of such information. This communication was prepared for multiple distribution and does not take account of the specific investment objectives of individual recipients and it may not be appropriate in all circumstances. Persons relying on this information should do so in light of their specific investment objectives and financial situations. Persons considering action on the basis of this communication are advised to contact Wilson HTM Ltd for individual advice in the light of their particular circumstances. This communication is not to be disclosed in whole or part or used by any other party without Wilson HTM Ltd's prior written consent. The Wilson HTM Privacy statement is available for you to view on our web-site at www.wilsonhtm.com.au

Does anyone in the AUS-GERMAN familie know the factor to convert the old German maritime capacity COMERZLAST unit into metric mass or volume units? My folks came from Clausthal-Zellarfeld, via Hamburg on the Godeffroy in 1848/49. My research indicates that the ship had a capacity of "180 COMERZLAST." Regards Bob Bob Moritz Pre-op Test Manager Power Development Project Boyne Smelters T - +61 (0)7 4973 0611 F - +61 (0)7 4973 0942 M - 0401 144 615 e-mail [email protected]

Hi Listers, Here I am again with Pioneer Families from the Light Pass ( near Nuriootpa S.A. and in the Barossa Valley). This book is called " Light Pass Revisited" and the following Polish/ German surnames as follows: Raedel/ Raethel. Johann Gottlob and his wife Anna Dorothea nee Geister,Gustav Julius Rechner,b 29-12-1830 Liegnitz, Silesia.Fischer/ Fisher Alwin, Schiller Johann Carl born 5th July 1818 Grosslinz, Sporn Johann Friedrich, Waechter Christian, Weber Christian,Zeihn Karl, Ersnt and Gottfried brothers, Boehm George Friedrich, Gerlach Johann Friedrich Ernst, Hahn Johann Christian, JohnJohann Gottlieb and his wife Maria Rosina nee Hausler, Kurtz Johann Wilhelm,Loffler, Lowke, Luhrs, Gottfried Mader, Maywald Carl Gottleb, ( P.S. I gave Kay Cavanagh the info she was wanting Re- her " mysterious" Maria Gassan , which Kay posted on this list last week) Polst Johann Gottlob, Thanks for bearing with me again with this email hoping I can help some listers out with some info, remember that a lot of Polish/ German Immigrants came to S.A. and quite a few settled firstly in the Barossa Valley and many left later to go to Vic, N.S.W or Qld etc to settle, so I may have a few listers ancestors earlier info in Australia.??!! who knows?! If there is any connection to these families with any listers I will be pleased to give you the information. Regards, Judy of S.A.

Hi Listers, Just to let you know that I have the following book of a S.A. town which has a section on notes of Pioneer Families of those towns. Robertstown ( S.A.) 1871-1971 which is the title and the pioneer families of polish/ german descent are as follows: RUEDIGER Gottfried who sailed from Germany in the ship the "Emmy" with his wife and son ( christian names aren't mentioned and a second son born on the voyage, also a writeup on the grandson of Gottfried, Adoph born 1858 Rosedale S.A. married Marie Eberhard in 1884. ECKERT Friedrich Johannes. BRUHN John Christian and Wilhelm Johan Theodore. SCHMIDT Andreas. NEINDORF. TSCHIRN Oscar. MATTNER Johann Ferdinand and his wife nee KEILOW. SCHMIDT Franz HEINRICH Gottfried and his wife Maria nee PUMPA. HEINRICH. August Friebel. WOLF Christian Johann. MILDE Christian Traugott. WIECH Hermann, very little on him. DREYER Johann and his wife Maria nee BLUTCHER. RUEDIGER Ern the son of Mr Adoph. EBERHARD Heinrich Friedrich August.born 1856 Germany LAUNER J.F. Wilhelm. KLINGBERG Friedrich William. and his wife Elizabeth nee KIELOW. SCHUPPAN Johann. KIELOW Christian. PREUSKER Traugott and Johann August. Other surnames are as follows, SASCHE Gottlieb, Sasche Gustav son of the latter, Hentschke Johann Christian, Liebeknecht Frank, Mickel Johann Traugott, Keller Fredrich Ewald, Kotz Ernst Leberecht, also Karl Hermann Kotz Bernhard or Bennett, Kotz Otto, Voigt Carl Friedrich, Schmidt J.C.A. Gregurke Lehmann Friedrich Gottlieb,Werner Ernst Wilhelm August, Werner August Rudolph, Tschirn George Frederick Oscar, Sasche, August. Sasche Ernst Heinrich, Burow Carl, Semmler, Wilksch Johann Ernst, Pfitzner Hermann Gustav and Mann August Friedrich. If there is any connection with any of the listers, I will be happy to send you what I have on the family/ families. Thanks for bearing with me and reading all this long message, Regards, Judy of S.A.

Thank you to everyone who sent me the State Library Address Jocelyn

Hi I have O tto Franz Herman Dau from Prinzlaw, Potzlow, Germany who came to Australia in 1871. Jocelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: astrid wandtke <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] interesting website Hi everyone, If your ancestors are from Westprussia/Poland or their names are Jan(t)zen or spelled similarly, Quiring, Bestvater, Sperling, Fröse, Siebert, Harms, Dau, Penner, van Riesen, Görtz or similarly or your ancestors are Mennonites, then this private website which I discovered recently might be interesting for you: www.janzen-jantzen.com (in German and in English) It also contains a genealogical webdirectory with some useful sources. Best wishes, Astrid Wandke _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Save your money , just click on www.whitepages.com.au and follow instructions You can extend this to other parts of the world as I have actually found an adress and phone number in Hungary---John from West Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Jean Young" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] BRENTZELL WUTH (WITT) > Robyn, > > I don't know if this might be of any help to you however, in the Oz White > pages, there are listings for 3 Wuth's in Canberra plus, numerous in > Queensland - Brisbane & Toowoomba areas. > > I obtained this information of a CD put out by Dick Smiths that costs about > $20.00 and hold all the White Pages phone listings throughout Oz and thus, > makes it very easy to obtain names, addressess and phone numbers ! > > Regards, Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:30 AM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] BRENTZELL WUTH (WITT) > > > > Looking for Freiderich BRENTZELL (known as Carl) who came to South > Australia aboard the ship Venilia about.1860 from Schleswig Holstein, > Germany > > Auguste STEINERT came to South Australia from Steinau, Silesia, Prussia > abord the ship Rheihersteig in 1854 they married at Greenock SA 1864. Also > looking for WUTH (WITT) in the same area of the Barossa Valley. > > Surely all the Steinerts from the Barossa Valley area in those times must > have been related? > > > > thankyou Robyn Levy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi List The marriage below, I think is the 2nd marriage of my 2ggrandmother, she was the widow of Johan Gasson (seen the surname spelt various ways). He died at Peters Hill 13 Mar 1862. I had her maiden name as Maria SCHNEIDER but who knows? Cannot find a death for Maria GASSON. It says the marriage took place at Ev Lutheran Church Light Pass. Her son in law (Karl LEMM) died at Point Pass in 1872, so I'm wondering if she was living there with his family and that Point Pass and Light Pass was the same place. Can anyone help please? Also does anyone know anything about the Maywald family? Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1842-1916 Groom: MAYWALD Given names: Carl Gottlob Bride: GASSAN Given names: Maria Date: 1867-11-20 Groom Age: 58 Status: N Groom's Father: George F MAYWALD Bride Age: 56 Status: W Bride's Father: Johannes SCHENALZE Place: Ev Luth Church Light Pass District: Ang Symbol: AV Book/Page: 73/452 TIA KAY

Hi all, I am researching my G Grandfather Jacob LAWSON. The family story says that he jumped ship in Sydney in the late 1800's and then married my G Grandmother Sarah Ann FRIEND. Somewhere around 1910 he disappeared and I can find no trace of him anywhere after that. I have checked the death and naturalisation indexes for all states, the WW1 concentration camp records and "Ships Deserters" and there is no trace of him. His marriage cert states that he was born in Hamburg about 1869 and his Father was Jacob LAWSON and his mother Mary ???. I have searched www.familysearch.org for his birth with no results. Dose anyone have any suggestions as to where i may go from here ? TIA Steve Farmer -- ----------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Morayshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Hamburg, Germany FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOWN - Derby, ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Robyn, I don't know if this might be of any help to you however, in the Oz White pages, there are listings for 3 Wuth's in Canberra plus, numerous in Queensland - Brisbane & Toowoomba areas. I obtained this information of a CD put out by Dick Smiths that costs about $20.00 and hold all the White Pages phone listings throughout Oz and thus, makes it very easy to obtain names, addressess and phone numbers ! Regards, Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:30 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] BRENTZELL WUTH (WITT) > Looking for Freiderich BRENTZELL (known as Carl) who came to South Australia aboard the ship Venilia about.1860 from Schleswig Holstein, Germany > Auguste STEINERT came to South Australia from Steinau, Silesia, Prussia abord the ship Rheihersteig in 1854 they married at Greenock SA 1864. Also looking for WUTH (WITT) in the same area of the Barossa Valley. > Surely all the Steinerts from the Barossa Valley area in those times must have been related? > > thankyou Robyn Levy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~ainslee_hooper/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi All, Looking for any information on or descendants of Johann Juergen Dahlke who married Caroline Friederike Charlotte Ebert or Ebel in 1861 in Germany. They came to Australia aboard the Cesar Godeffroy which arrived in 1862 in Maryborough. Johann was born in Mecklenburg-Strelitz Germany 28 Feb 1826 to Christian Dahlke and Sophie Jahnke. Johann and Caroline had six children. William, Henry Frederick Peter, Sophie Emilie, Alvine Pauline Henrietta, Ida or Edith and Wilhelmina. If anyone has any information on this family or can give me any information on Christian Dahlke and Sophie Jahnke from Germany it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks from Qld Sue

Looking for Freiderich BRENTZELL (known as Carl) who came to South Australia aboard the ship Venilia about.1860 from Schleswig Holstein, Germany Auguste STEINERT came to South Australia from Steinau, Silesia, Prussia abord the ship Rheihersteig in 1854 they married at Greenock SA 1864. Also looking for WUTH (WITT) in the same area of the Barossa Valley. Surely all the Steinerts from the Barossa Valley area in those times must have been related? thankyou Robyn Levy

Looking for BRENTZELL who came to South Australia aboard the ship Venilia about.1860 from Schleswig Holstein, Germany STEINERT came to South Australia from Steinau, Silesia, Prussia abord the ship Rheihersteig in 1854 they married at Greenock SA 1864. Also looking for WUTH (WITT) in the same area of the Barossa Valley. Surely all the Steinerts from the Barossa Valley area in those times must have been related? thankyou Robyn Levy

Looking for BRENTZELL who came to South Australia aboard the ship Venilia about.1860 from Schleswig Holstein, Germany STEINERT came to South Australia from Steinau, Silesia, Prussia abord the ship Rheihersteig in 1854 they married at Greenock SA 1864. Also looking for WUTH (WITT) in the same area of the Barossa Valley. Surely all the Steinerts from the Barossa Valley area in those times must have been related? thankyou Robyn Levy

Hi everyone, If your ancestors are from Westprussia/Poland or their names are Jan(t)zen or spelled similarly, Quiring, Bestvater, Sperling, Fröse, Siebert, Harms, Dau, Penner, van Riesen, Görtz or similarly or your ancestors are Mennonites, then this private website which I discovered recently might be interesting for you: www.janzen-jantzen.com (in German and in English) It also contains a genealogical webdirectory with some useful sources. Best wishes, Astrid Wandke _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Looking for BRENTZELL who came to South Australia aboard the ship Venilia about.1860 frm Schleswig Holstein, Germany STEINERT came to South Australia from Steinau, Silesia, Prussia abord the ship Rheihersteig in 1854 they married at Greenock SA 1864. Also looking for WUTH (WITT) in the same area of the Barossa Valley. Surely all the Steinerts from the Baroosa Valley area in those times must have been related? thankyou Robyn Levy