Thank you Ainslee Angie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee Hooper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2002 9:01 Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Fw: searching > Hi Angie, the address you're after is www.naa.gov.au, Ainslee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angie Owen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:44 PM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Fw: searching > > > > Hi listers, > > whoever relied to the attached email could you please resend the Webb site > address as I can't find it from last night. I don't know where I placed > your email. I must have been tired. I apologise. > > Angie I think the address was www.naa? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Angie Owen > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, 15 April 2002 3:01 > > Subject: searching > > > > > > Hi Listers, > > I'm new to this site. Can anyone please give me a site so that I can look > up our arrival in Australia by ship in 1954. > > much appreciated > > Angie > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yes please , help me to get organised too....Yvonne in Melbourne

Hi all, does anyone know of any programs that can help keep a record of what records you have searched etc and what information you have obtained? i have 7 folders of information and am getting a bit snowed under. Any info appreciated, thanks, ainslee http://www.ainsleehooper.com/

Hello, I have been researching my family tree in Queensland and many birth, marriage and death dates are missing or cloudy. When I enquired of the Queensland Government as to the availability of these indices, they informed me that these indices are available on Cd or microfiche as The Queensland Pioneer's Index 1829 - 1889, and the Queensland Federation Index 1890 - 1914. The total cost of these is $660.00. The cost makes it impossible for me to purchase these items and I was wondering if anyone knows where these microfiche/CD may be available for public use. I live in country NSW. I am researching the following names: Frederick CAVE who married Sarah ADAMS. Both were born in England and moved and later died in Rockhampton, Qld. Samuel SMYTH who married Mary McKILLOP. They had a daughter, Mary Jane SMYTH (b. 30.11.1876) in Bundaberg. Any information on the above would be appreciated. Thank you Lyn Ludwick

There was a large German camp at Murchison in Victoria and a large Italian-German camp at Loveday near Mildura in Victoria or South Australia depending on whether you refer to the camp or the town. There was also a Japanese camp at Cowra in New South Wales. Hope this helps Albert Grulke in Cloudy Melbourne Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2002 5:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] WW II prisoners of war I am inquiring for a friend about the locations of prisoner of war camps in Australia. It is our understanding that his father was held in Australia and that the prisoners "... were kept open in families." Although this friend lives in Germany, his father was Italian. Since there was no AUS-ITA list I am trying this one. Thanks. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Donna Mayor <[email protected]> RootsWeb: CIAVARELLA-L, ITA-PUGLIA, ITA-PIEDMONT ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Angie, the address you're after is www.naa.gov.au, Ainslee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Owen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Fw: searching > Hi listers, > whoever relied to the attached email could you please resend the Webb site address as I can't find it from last night. I don't know where I placed your email. I must have been tired. I apologise. > Angie I think the address was www.naa? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angie Owen > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 15 April 2002 3:01 > Subject: searching > > > Hi Listers, > I'm new to this site. Can anyone please give me a site so that I can look up our arrival in Australia by ship in 1954. > much appreciated > Angie > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Donna, The link below will take you to a page at the Australain National Archives which have a range of information on prisoners of war held in australia. Large numbers of Italians were POWs in Australia and as part of their internment were required to work in the community under parole (a promise to be good). A large number ended up working at fruit picking and were billetted with local families. "... were kept open in families". From my memory of a recent programme on TV in Australia ALL of the italian POWs went back to Italy but about one third ended up returning to australia. A large number ended up back in the fruit growing areas which have become very italianised. A lot of them have become very succesful farmers. http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/Family_History/other_records.html#alien s Aliens, internees and prisoners of war - World War II In 1941 the Australian government accepted a large number of prisoners of war from the Middle East, with a further transfer of Italian prisoners in 1943. A total of 25 720 prisoners of war were held in Australia during World War II: 1 651 Germans, 18 432 Italians and 5 637 Japanese. Prisoners of war were housed in specially built camps and guarded by Citizen Military Force reservists. There were a number of escapes by POWs, the most serious being the Cowra breakout in August 1944. The POWs were not repatriated immediately after the war because of a shortage of shipping, but all except a small number of escapees had been sent home by January 1947. see also http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/pow/pow.htm PRISONER OF WAR AND INTERNMENT CAMPS IN AUSTRALIA DURING WW2 cheers Col -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2002 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] WW II prisoners of war I am inquiring for a friend about the locations of prisoner of war camps in Australia. It is our understanding that his father was held in Australia and that the prisoners "... were kept open in families." Although this friend lives in Germany, his father was Italian. Since there was no AUS-ITA list I am trying this one. Thanks. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Donna Mayor <[email protected]> RootsWeb: CIAVARELLA-L, ITA-PUGLIA, ITA-PIEDMONT ______________________________

Hi, The NAA holds records of the Liverpool interment camp and others I believe, plus lists of "registered aliens" check their website at http://www.naa.gov.au Regards Steve At 3:27 PM -0400 15/4/02, [email protected] wrote: >I am inquiring for a friend about the locations of prisoner of war camps in >Australia. It is our understanding that his father was held in Australia and >that the prisoners "... were kept open in families." > >Although this friend lives in Germany, his father was Italian. Since there >was no AUS-ITA list I am trying this one. > >Thanks. > >Mit freundlichen Grüßen > >Donna Mayor <[email protected]> >RootsWeb: CIAVARELLA-L, ITA-PUGLIA, ITA-PIEDMONT -- ----------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Morayshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Hamburg, Germany FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOWN - Derby, ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

www.naa.gov.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Owen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Fw: searching > Hi listers, > whoever relied to the attached email could you please resend the Webb site address as I can't find it from last night. I don't know where I placed your email. I must have been tired. I apologise. > Angie I think the address was www.naa? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angie Owen > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 15 April 2002 3:01 > Subject: searching > > > Hi Listers, > I'm new to this site. Can anyone please give me a site so that I can look up our arrival in Australia by ship in 1954. > much appreciated > Angie > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi listers, whoever relied to the attached email could you please resend the Webb site address as I can't find it from last night. I don't know where I placed your email. I must have been tired. I apologise. Angie I think the address was www.naa? ----- Original Message ----- From: Angie Owen To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 15 April 2002 3:01 Subject: searching Hi Listers, I'm new to this site. Can anyone please give me a site so that I can look up our arrival in Australia by ship in 1954. much appreciated Angie

Hi Albert - no not at all. I only wanted to clarify my position. Please contact me off list Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > Denise, > Did I create the wrong impression. If so I am sorry and apologise. > I saw a couple of emails about these memorandums and asking if there was a > record of them. I had previously searched this question and thought I had > the answer to that question. > However the query you raise is an interesting one. If only there was some > way that we could find out. > Albert Grulke in cloudy miserable Melbourne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise McMahon [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2002 9:12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > Albert hi. > > I was the one who replied to Lisa about this subject as my great-grandfather > was also aboard. > > If you read the newspaper articles about this voyage and arrival you will > see that 4 men vanished. Our great-grandfather arrived 2 months later in > Victoria. > > Does this mean he was one of the 4, who had signed up for work, or was a > paying passenger. > > The shipping list doesn't seem to indicate from what I believe, so therefore > we have our fingers crossed we will find one of these agreements with > Christian Haeffner's name on it! If we do, then we know, if we don't we > shall still wonder, did he or did he not violate his agreement. > > Fingers crossed > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Albert Grulke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > > Can I add to this that there is no collection and officially no copies of > > any of the agreements. I received one for my wife's grandfather and it too > > came by accident. Every now and then one seems to appear. However they are > > all very similar and unless you want to get very specific you only need to > > change the names of the migrant and you are very near to the final result. > > The one Lisa has shared and the one I have are very identical. I did once > > see another one that was also identical. > > Albert Grulke in wet Melbourne home of the mighty Hawks who might win one > > day. Meanwhile its "Go the Lions" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lisa Burton [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 11:28 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > > > > The Memorandum between KOCH and LESLIE was located 'by accident' ... it > was > > sent to me by a fellow researcher in Sydney who knew of my interests - she > > came across it while looking for other material at the National Library of > > Australia - a real 'fluke'. > > > > I don't believe there is a collection of solely such Contracts in the > > respective Archives. Just a matter of if the odd one, here and there, has > > survived; as a result of being included/indexed with other documents eg. > > from a government enquiry, private bequest, etc. > > > > You could always enquire though .... > > > > Another contact of mine has a 'Certificate of Character' for her German > > immigrant ancestor (KOCH per "Parland" 1849) .... similarly, only a > handful > > of these seem to have survived. > > > > This Certificate was signed by the Magistrate of prospective emigrant's > > village and then by the British Consul in Frankfurt - attests to his good > > character, gives his occupation and dates of birth for himself and > > dependants!! (German on one side - English on the reverse, also.) > > > > More 'off-list', Denise. > > > > Rgs > > Lisa > > Gladstone, Q > > > > > > The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may > > be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive > use > > of the addressee(s). 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Hi Bob, You responded to my posting a few days ago. The Ballhausen's I am researching did come from Clausthal. However, they came to Australia via the ship "Pauline", which arrived in Adelaide on 9 December 1849. They left Germany after their father and husband, Carl (a miner) died. Caroline married William Norton in Burra in 1850, and he was also a miner. I do not have the exact details with me at the present time, though I suspect this information is not what you were looking for. Regards, Melanie. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hi Angie Go to www.naa.gov.au and type in your ancestors surname in record search, when you get a hit it will be probably naturalisation record which you can order for free, I have not paid yet, it will have ship and place of birth etc. If your "relie" was in S.A and another state check each state office, my relie was naturalised in S.A and Vic as all the colonies where virtually separate countries. I hope this helps. Regards Ed McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Owen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] searching > Hi Listers, > I'm new to this site. Can anyone please give me a site so that I can look up our arrival in Australia by ship in 1954. > much appreciated > Angie > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks for your reply Pauline, It is interesting to learn of the Clausthal-Zellarfeld immigrant involvement in the early mining industry in Australia. Particularly as they were skilled miners from an area which has a base metal mining tradition going back to the thirteenth century. My main thrust at present is to try to get a list of the passengers which disembarked from the Godeffroy, when she visited Adelaide early in 1849. Regards Bob -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 15 April 2002 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: AUS-GERMAN-D Digest V02 #88 Hi Bob, You responded to my posting a few days ago. The Ballhausen's I am researching did come from Clausthal. However, they came to Australia via the ship "Pauline", which arrived in Adelaide on 9 December 1849. They left Germany after their father and husband, Carl (a miner) died. Caroline married William Norton in Burra in 1850, and he was also a miner. I do not have the exact details with me at the present time, though I suspect this information is not what you were looking for. Regards, Melanie. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am inquiring for a friend about the locations of prisoner of war camps in Australia. It is our understanding that his father was held in Australia and that the prisoners "... were kept open in families." Although this friend lives in Germany, his father was Italian. Since there was no AUS-ITA list I am trying this one. Thanks. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Donna Mayor <[email protected]> RootsWeb: CIAVARELLA-L, ITA-PUGLIA, ITA-PIEDMONT

Hi Listers, I'm new to this site. Can anyone please give me a site so that I can look up our arrival in Australia by ship in 1954. much appreciated Angie

Denise, Did I create the wrong impression. If so I am sorry and apologise. I saw a couple of emails about these memorandums and asking if there was a record of them. I had previously searched this question and thought I had the answer to that question. However the query you raise is an interesting one. If only there was some way that we could find out. Albert Grulke in cloudy miserable Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Denise McMahon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2002 9:12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement Albert hi. I was the one who replied to Lisa about this subject as my great-grandfather was also aboard. If you read the newspaper articles about this voyage and arrival you will see that 4 men vanished. Our great-grandfather arrived 2 months later in Victoria. Does this mean he was one of the 4, who had signed up for work, or was a paying passenger. The shipping list doesn't seem to indicate from what I believe, so therefore we have our fingers crossed we will find one of these agreements with Christian Haeffner's name on it! If we do, then we know, if we don't we shall still wonder, did he or did he not violate his agreement. Fingers crossed Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > Can I add to this that there is no collection and officially no copies of > any of the agreements. I received one for my wife's grandfather and it too > came by accident. Every now and then one seems to appear. However they are > all very similar and unless you want to get very specific you only need to > change the names of the migrant and you are very near to the final result. > The one Lisa has shared and the one I have are very identical. I did once > see another one that was also identical. > Albert Grulke in wet Melbourne home of the mighty Hawks who might win one > day. Meanwhile its "Go the Lions" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Burton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 11:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > The Memorandum between KOCH and LESLIE was located 'by accident' ... it was > sent to me by a fellow researcher in Sydney who knew of my interests - she > came across it while looking for other material at the National Library of > Australia - a real 'fluke'. > > I don't believe there is a collection of solely such Contracts in the > respective Archives. Just a matter of if the odd one, here and there, has > survived; as a result of being included/indexed with other documents eg. > from a government enquiry, private bequest, etc. > > You could always enquire though .... > > Another contact of mine has a 'Certificate of Character' for her German > immigrant ancestor (KOCH per "Parland" 1849) .... similarly, only a handful > of these seem to have survived. > > This Certificate was signed by the Magistrate of prospective emigrant's > village and then by the British Consul in Frankfurt - attests to his good > character, gives his occupation and dates of birth for himself and > dependants!! (German on one side - English on the reverse, also.) > > More 'off-list', Denise. > > Rgs > Lisa > Gladstone, Q > > > The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may > be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use > of the addressee(s). 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Hi listers my name is Annette O'Keeffe, I am searching for any info on my Great Great Grandfather Heinrich Wilken, he was born C1839 in Germany, and married Selina Matilda Noad in St.Kilda, Victoria, Aust in 1878, they had 5 children Annie B1879, Henry Peter B1880, Dora Matilda my grt grandmother B1882, Hans Nicholas B1885, William Heinrich B1887, all the children were born in Sandhurst, Victoria. Heinrich died 1887 at Sandhurst. His parents were Bathisner Wilken and Margaret Willers. Heinrich was a miner. If anyone has any info on this family I would love to hear from you, also any clues on where to look for info would be greatly appreciated. Regards Annette.

Albert hi. I was the one who replied to Lisa about this subject as my great-grandfather was also aboard. If you read the newspaper articles about this voyage and arrival you will see that 4 men vanished. Our great-grandfather arrived 2 months later in Victoria. Does this mean he was one of the 4, who had signed up for work, or was a paying passenger. The shipping list doesn't seem to indicate from what I believe, so therefore we have our fingers crossed we will find one of these agreements with Christian Haeffner's name on it! If we do, then we know, if we don't we shall still wonder, did he or did he not violate his agreement. Fingers crossed Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > Can I add to this that there is no collection and officially no copies of > any of the agreements. I received one for my wife's grandfather and it too > came by accident. Every now and then one seems to appear. However they are > all very similar and unless you want to get very specific you only need to > change the names of the migrant and you are very near to the final result. > The one Lisa has shared and the one I have are very identical. I did once > see another one that was also identical. > Albert Grulke in wet Melbourne home of the mighty Hawks who might win one > day. Meanwhile its "Go the Lions" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisa Burton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 11:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement > > > The Memorandum between KOCH and LESLIE was located 'by accident' ... it was > sent to me by a fellow researcher in Sydney who knew of my interests - she > came across it while looking for other material at the National Library of > Australia - a real 'fluke'. > > I don't believe there is a collection of solely such Contracts in the > respective Archives. Just a matter of if the odd one, here and there, has > survived; as a result of being included/indexed with other documents eg. > from a government enquiry, private bequest, etc. > > You could always enquire though .... > > Another contact of mine has a 'Certificate of Character' for her German > immigrant ancestor (KOCH per "Parland" 1849) .... similarly, only a handful > of these seem to have survived. > > This Certificate was signed by the Magistrate of prospective emigrant's > village and then by the British Consul in Frankfurt - attests to his good > character, gives his occupation and dates of birth for himself and > dependants!! (German on one side - English on the reverse, also.) > > More 'off-list', Denise. > > Rgs > Lisa > Gladstone, Q > > > The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may > be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use > of the addressee(s). 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Can I add to this that there is no collection and officially no copies of any of the agreements. I received one for my wife's grandfather and it too came by accident. Every now and then one seems to appear. However they are all very similar and unless you want to get very specific you only need to change the names of the migrant and you are very near to the final result. The one Lisa has shared and the one I have are very identical. I did once see another one that was also identical. Albert Grulke in wet Melbourne home of the mighty Hawks who might win one day. Meanwhile its "Go the Lions" -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Burton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 11:28 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Memorandum of Agreement The Memorandum between KOCH and LESLIE was located 'by accident' ... it was sent to me by a fellow researcher in Sydney who knew of my interests - she came across it while looking for other material at the National Library of Australia - a real 'fluke'. I don't believe there is a collection of solely such Contracts in the respective Archives. Just a matter of if the odd one, here and there, has survived; as a result of being included/indexed with other documents eg. from a government enquiry, private bequest, etc. You could always enquire though .... Another contact of mine has a 'Certificate of Character' for her German immigrant ancestor (KOCH per "Parland" 1849) .... similarly, only a handful of these seem to have survived. This Certificate was signed by the Magistrate of prospective emigrant's village and then by the British Consul in Frankfurt - attests to his good character, gives his occupation and dates of birth for himself and dependants!! (German on one side - English on the reverse, also.) More 'off-list', Denise. Rgs Lisa Gladstone, Q The information in this e-mail and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged or subject to copyright. It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, please do not read, copy, distribute or otherwise act upon this e-mail. If you have received the e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail. The unauthorised use of this e-mail may result in liability for breach of confidentiality, privilege or copyright. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes. Corporations Law Section 849 Declaration - The Directors of Wilson HTM Ltd (A.B.N. 68 010 529 665) advise that they and their associates may have beneficial interests in the securities that they recommend and may receive commissions or fees in relation to dealings in these securities. Whilst Wilson HTM Ltd believes the information contained in this communication is based on reliable information, no warranty is given as to its accuracy and persons relying on this information do so at their own risk. Any projections contained in this communication are estimates only and may not be realised in the future. Subject to any liability which cannot be excluded under the Trade Practices Act, 1974 and the Corporations Law, Wilson HTM Ltd disclaims all liability to any person relying on the information contained in this communication in respect of any loss or damage (including consequential loss or damage) however caused, which may be suffered or arise directly or indirectly in respect of such information. This communication was prepared for multiple distribution and does not take account of the specific investment objectives of individual recipients and it may not be appropriate in all circumstances. Persons relying on this information should do so in light of their specific investment objectives and financial situations. Persons considering action on the basis of this communication are advised to contact Wilson HTM Ltd for individual advice in the light of their particular circumstances. This communication is not to be disclosed in whole or part or used by any other party without Wilson HTM Ltd's prior written consent. The Wilson HTM Privacy statement is available for you to view on our web-site at www.wilsonhtm.com.au ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237