Leonie - sorry can't assist - I am tracing Anders in Sth Australia -regards Chris Anders-Tritt -----Original Message----- From: Leonie Oliver [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] German researcher At 08:46 28/04/2002 +1000, you wrote: > am seeking additional information relative to my ancestors in >Eltville Germany prior to July 1854. I have some information dating >back to 1668 but there are many gaps. I have been informed that the >researcher I engaged on a previous occasion is now deceased > >Does any Lister know of a reputable searcher who I might be able to >engage to seek the additional information I require? > >Brian @ Sunny Dungog > >Hi Brian I joined the Mecklenburg mailing list as this was where my German ancestors were from. Members of the list have been very helpful, and offered good advice. I have been very fortunate too, as the Mecklenburg records have been microfilmed by the LDS church, so I am able to look at parish registers and census records. I have also learned to read the old text (mostly, anyway) and now know some old German terms for illnesses and occupations. Perhaps you could try the Hessen list if you are not already on it-someone there may offer to help or know a good researcher in the area. Regards Leonie PS Is the family you are tracing the SCHARKIES? We have communicated about these before, and I have been contacted by 2 other Scharkie descendants in the past month or so. ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

hi, is the PRUSSIA one still current ? I cant get it to accept my email. Yvonne in Melbourne , Australia

Brian Try these addresses '[email protected]' [email protected]> Angie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hartcher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2002 8:46 Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] German researcher > am seeking additional information relative to my ancestors in > Eltville Germany prior to July 1854. I have some information dating > back to 1668 but there are many gaps. I have been informed that the > researcher I engaged on a previous occasion is now deceased > > Does any Lister know of a reputable searcher who I might be able to > engage to seek the additional information I require? > > Brian @ Sunny Dungog > > ______________________________ > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

At 08:46 28/04/2002 +1000, you wrote: > am seeking additional information relative to my ancestors in >Eltville Germany prior to July 1854. I have some information dating >back to 1668 but there are many gaps. I have been informed that the >researcher I engaged on a previous occasion is now deceased > >Does any Lister know of a reputable searcher who I might be able to >engage to seek the additional information I require? > >Brian @ Sunny Dungog > >Hi Brian I joined the Mecklenburg mailing list as this was where my German ancestors were from. Members of the list have been very helpful, and offered good advice. I have been very fortunate too, as the Mecklenburg records have been microfilmed by the LDS church, so I am able to look at parish registers and census records. I have also learned to read the old text (mostly, anyway) and now know some old German terms for illnesses and occupations. Perhaps you could try the Hessen list if you are not already on it-someone there may offer to help or know a good researcher in the area. Regards Leonie PS Is the family you are tracing the SCHARKIES? We have communicated about these before, and I have been contacted by 2 other Scharkie descendants in the past month or so.

Hi Diane,regarding your JWHimmler from Osterode (am Harz) ? ...some of my family are from Osterode too. Do you know what ship he came on ? I am getting together a file of "Osterodians" & their ships names , dates etc Do you know his parents names yet / any siblings follow him to Australia ? If you file this email for future ref. & contact me if /when you find this info out, I would be grateful. Good luck with the search...Yvonne in Middle Park ,Melbourne

am seeking additional information relative to my ancestors in Eltville Germany prior to July 1854. I have some information dating back to 1668 but there are many gaps. I have been informed that the researcher I engaged on a previous occasion is now deceased Does any Lister know of a reputable searcher who I might be able to engage to seek the additional information I require? Brian @ Sunny Dungog ______________________________

Hi The german families I am interested in are all based in South Australia. HIMMLER, Johann Wilhelm Christian from Osterode arrived in South Australia 1882. He moved around South Australia before settling in Walloway, Pinnaroo and then Hahndorf. FICHTNER, Carl Wilhelm August arrived from Berlin/Crossen with his wife Johanna Louise Charlotte (nee Schmidt) and their daughter Anna Elise in 1881. They settled in Hahndorf. Anna married Wilhelm Himmler. With them were SCHMIDT, Johann Friedrich and his wife Johanna Julianna (nee Greulich) and their two adult children Carl Friedrich August SCHMIDT (a chemist) and Marie Sophie Anna Clementine SCHMIDT (a seamstress). Carl later returned to Germany to live. The others remained in Hahndorf. Would love to share information with anyone or find connections within Germany or other branches who went to other parts of Australia or America. Regards Dianne Kitson Sydney, Australia

Hi Ross, The book may not be available still to purchase, but no harm in trying ! It was published in 1981 as it covers Freeling 1860-1980. I have the authors as Thelma Kuhlmann and Owen Bockmann and it was published by the Freeling Women's Agricultural Bureau in September 1981. I will make further enquiries for you if you like as my dear Mum is a member of that Bureau and I will get back to you. Re - Gabel no mention sorry I don't know of any books on the Barossa Valley which would mention that surname, where abouts did they live? I know there is a book written on Truro which the author is Reg Munchenberg and a very good book, I know the S.A. State Library has that book. Also Re- Gabel I have a Glatz male married a Gabel lady and they went from S.A. to Dimboola Vic and settled? I can check on what their christian names and the little I have on them if you think there may be a connection! Looking forward to hearing from you and hope there is as I have been "stuck" on them for ages! Regards to all, Judy. Gabel wrote: > Judy > Could you please give me the author and publisher of the book 'Horses > Harrows and Haystacks" as I wish to purchase it. > Also, in the book, is there any mention of the GABEL family who arrived from > QLD. If so could you please give me a preview of the info. > Do you have any other books re the Barossa area with Gabel info that could > be purchased > Thanks > Ross Gabel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Holding" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] anders in Freeling, Sth Aust > > > Hi Chris, > > I have the book on Freeling S.A.called " Horses Harrows and Haystacks" > Freeling > > Through The Years 1860-1980.The Anders that owned " Anders" was Mr William > Ernst > > Anders born 1836-1917 he arrived with his father in Australia in 1853, > and > > according to S.A. Marriages he was the son of Carl Anders and yours may > have been > > the son of Joseph Anders. Wilhelm Ernst Anders married age 29 years on > 16-3-1866 to > > Johanne Henriette Hennig at Lutheran Church, Tanunda S.A. Distrist of > Angaston. Book > > 66 Page 90. > > Hoping this has been some help to you, > > Regards, Judy. > > > > > > Chris Anders-Tritt & Dennis Tritt wrote: > > > > > Hi - I am trying to ascertain whether Franz Anders and his wife Anna > > > Katherina Greve have any connection with the Anders family (of farm > > > machinery fame) in Freeling South Australia - he is my great great > > > grandfather - his son Henry travelled to USA with his maternal > grandmother > > > in 1860 and returned to Adelaide with his wife Sophie Surganty from New > > > York - would love to make contact > > > Chris Anders-Tritt > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Listers, looking for a place called Esseg 1918, and Szekesfehervar 1917 I think they were both in Hungary, also Rothehütte/Harz. Thanks Angie Schwarz Reinsch Wegener and Blumenfeld

Judy Could you please give me the author and publisher of the book 'Horses Harrows and Haystacks" as I wish to purchase it. Also, in the book, is there any mention of the GABEL family who arrived from QLD. If so could you please give me a preview of the info. Do you have any other books re the Barossa area with Gabel info that could be purchased Thanks Ross Gabel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Holding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] anders in Freeling, Sth Aust > Hi Chris, > I have the book on Freeling S.A.called " Horses Harrows and Haystacks" Freeling > Through The Years 1860-1980.The Anders that owned " Anders" was Mr William Ernst > Anders born 1836-1917 he arrived with his father in Australia in 1853, and > according to S.A. Marriages he was the son of Carl Anders and yours may have been > the son of Joseph Anders. Wilhelm Ernst Anders married age 29 years on 16-3-1866 to > Johanne Henriette Hennig at Lutheran Church, Tanunda S.A. Distrist of Angaston. Book > 66 Page 90. > Hoping this has been some help to you, > Regards, Judy. > > > Chris Anders-Tritt & Dennis Tritt wrote: > > > Hi - I am trying to ascertain whether Franz Anders and his wife Anna > > Katherina Greve have any connection with the Anders family (of farm > > machinery fame) in Freeling South Australia - he is my great great > > grandfather - his son Henry travelled to USA with his maternal grandmother > > in 1860 and returned to Adelaide with his wife Sophie Surganty from New > > York - would love to make contact > > Chris Anders-Tritt > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

The link below will take you to a page at the Australain National Archives which have a range of information on prisoners of war held in australia. Large numbers of Italians were POWs in Australia and as part of their internment were required to work in the community under parole (a promise to be good). A large number ended up working at fruit picking and were billetted with local families. "... were kept open in families". From my memory of a recent programme on TV in Australia ALL of the italian POWs went back to Italy but about one third ended up returning to australia. A large number ended up back in the fruit growing areas which have become very italianised. A lot of them have become very succesful farmers. http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/Family_History/other_records.html#alien s Aliens, internees and prisoners of war - World War II In 1941 the Australian government accepted a large number of prisoners of war from the Middle East, with a further transfer of Italian prisoners in 1943. A total of 25 720 prisoners of war were held in Australia during World War II: 1 651 Germans, 18 432 Italians and 5 637 Japanese. Prisoners of war were housed in specially built camps and guarded by Citizen Military Force reservists. There were a number of escapes by POWs, the most serious being the Cowra breakout in August 1944. The POWs were not repatriated immediately after the war because of a shortage of shipping, but all except a small number of escapees had been sent home by January 1947. see also http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/pow/pow.htm PRISONER OF WAR AND INTERNMENT CAMPS IN AUSTRALIA DURING WW2 cheers Col -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2002 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] WW II prisoners of war I am inquiring for a friend about the locations of prisoner of war camps in Australia. It is our understanding that his father was held in Australia and that the prisoners "... were kept open in families." Although this friend lives in Germany, his father was Italian. Since there was no AUS-ITA list I am trying this one. Thanks. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Donna Mayor <[email protected]> RootsWeb: CIAVARELLA-L, ITA-PUGLIA, ITA-PIEDMONT ______________________________

Melanie, There was a POW camp near Tatura but I am unsure of it name or location. I thought the camp at Murchison might have been it but am beginning to doubt that. You are correct there was a camp near Tatura. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2002 1:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: Prisoner of War Camps Hi, I'm sure there was a Pow camp at Dhurringile (near Tatura). Melanie. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am at a loss to find information on my SCHROEDER ancestors. Augustus SCHROEDER married Dorothe TANHAUSEN? Their child, or one of their children (my ancestor) was Ann(e/a) Dorothe(a) SCHROEDER. Anna or Ann was born about 1833 in Luneburg, Hanover, Germany Anna or Ann married Augustus KLEMMER (emigrated 1852, naturalized 1958) in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia in 1877 but curiously their first child, Emilie Dorothea Henrietta KLEMMER, was born in 1861 (not registered in Melbourne). Their second child, Edwin Henry Augustus KLEMMER was born in 1868 (registered in Melbourne). Cannot find ANY information on Anna's: birth date/place immigration/emigration parent's wedding date/place (Augustus SCHROEDER/ Dorothe TANHAUSEN?) parent's birth date/place If anyone can offer some suggestions it would be much appreciated. Gail (Tokyo)

Hi, Gill. I have no idea if it is the right place but I'm hoping so. Thanks for the info. Cheers! Gail _____________ Hi, I have nothing to do with your family but the only Bischofswerda I can see is a largish town East and a little north of Dresden about 12 miles. Is this the right place? Regards Gill On Monday, 22 April 2002 3:08 AM, roots [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > I'm trying to locate information on my Klemmer ancestors from > Bischofswerda?, Bautzen, Saxony. > > Augustus KLEMMER (1822) son of Gottlieb KLEMMER and Johana WABST. > Augustus emigrated to Australia before 1858. I cannot find any other > leads. Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Thanks. > gail >

Hi Sarah, you'll need to send a message to [email protected] and unsubscribe from there, sending requests directly to the list doesn't unsub you, cheers, Ainslee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Davies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Unsubscribe > Going on Holidays --- see you again in July > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello cousins and friends I have recently acquired the day and month of birth to add to the year, of Theodore Heinrich Gothilf EDER. He was born in Hamburg, 18th November, 1836. Is it now possible to write away and get a copy of the parish register . . . . I assume some of you have gone ahead of me down this path. Any other hints / experience re accessing German records? Thanks as always Migs Eder New Zealand -- Quote: There is no problem which cannot be made worse, especially if people claim there's no problem. - Modern / Trad.

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Judy Thanks I will contact you direct - I have to much chatter to do -thanks for your trouble - Chris -----Original Message----- From: Judy Holding [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re- ANDERS Freeling S.A. Dear Chris, Thanks for your reply, I have the entries for your ANDERS from the S.A. Biographical Index 1836-1885. as follows: ANDERS. Franz. bc 1810 from Klosterstrenz, Silesia, Prussia. Died 13-7-1874. Buried West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide. Arrived 1847 " HELOISE" occupation Carpenter, Joiner, Cabinet maker. Residence. Adelaide. Rel. Lutheran. Married 4-5-1850 S.A. to Unknown. Children. Emilie ( 1853-1855), Franz ( 1855- 1937), Emil Gustav ( 1857-1859) M 2/2 Anna Catherina GREFE on 4-11-1873. ANDERS Franz. Parents Franz. Born 20-8-1855 Adelaide S.A. Died 2-7-1937 Buried North Road S.A. Occupation. Hawker, Policeman. Residence. Adelaide. Married Louise Augusta bc 1858 died 30-10-1945. There is no children listed for the latter Franz, Chris. The ANDERS of the Anders And Sons Agricultural Business which was at Freeling ( now AG Point) as follows from the later publications called South Australians 1836-1885. ANDERS Whm Ernst Parents Karl. bc 1836 Died 21-10-1917 Buried Freeling S.A. arrived by 1965 from Victoria. Occupation. Blacksmith, Mill Engine Driver, Agricultural Engineer. Residence Freeling, Truro S.A. Religion Lutheran, Wesleyan. Married 1/2. Henriette bc 1846 Died 3-11-1894.Children Ernst Adolph (1870-1952), E.O., Oscar Benno (1878-1956), Louis R, F.W Arthur ( 1881-1951). Married 2/2 29-1-1895 Angaston S.A. Mrs Marie STAEHR nee MELISCH Parents Geo and Maria bc 1849 Burg, Prussia. There is a contributor of this Information listed in this book if you contact me direct I will give it to you also check the Mormons web site ( www.familysearch.org/) click search ancestor, type in Anders, click Australia and you will find a researcher there for your Anders as well, click that one and more particulars come up and click submitter and name and address comes up. O.K.?, which I think if memory serves me right is your connection??!! All the best, Regards, Judy. ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Chris, Thanks for your reply, I have the entries for your ANDERS from the S.A. Biographical Index 1836-1885. as follows: ANDERS. Franz. bc 1810 from Klosterstrenz, Silesia, Prussia. Died 13-7-1874. Buried West Terrace Cemetery, Adelaide. Arrived 1847 " HELOISE" occupation Carpenter, Joiner, Cabinet maker. Residence. Adelaide. Rel. Lutheran. Married 4-5-1850 S.A. to Unknown. Children. Emilie ( 1853-1855), Franz ( 1855- 1937), Emil Gustav ( 1857-1859) M 2/2 Anna Catherina GREFE on 4-11-1873. ANDERS Franz. Parents Franz. Born 20-8-1855 Adelaide S.A. Died 2-7-1937 Buried North Road S.A. Occupation. Hawker, Policeman. Residence. Adelaide. Married Louise Augusta bc 1858 died 30-10-1945. There is no children listed for the latter Franz, Chris. The ANDERS of the Anders And Sons Agricultural Business which was at Freeling ( now AG Point) as follows from the later publications called South Australians 1836-1885. ANDERS Whm Ernst Parents Karl. bc 1836 Died 21-10-1917 Buried Freeling S.A. arrived by 1965 from Victoria. Occupation. Blacksmith, Mill Engine Driver, Agricultural Engineer. Residence Freeling, Truro S.A. Religion Lutheran, Wesleyan. Married 1/2. Henriette bc 1846 Died 3-11-1894.Children Ernst Adolph (1870-1952), E.O., Oscar Benno (1878-1956), Louis R, F.W Arthur ( 1881-1951). Married 2/2 29-1-1895 Angaston S.A. Mrs Marie STAEHR nee MELISCH Parents Geo and Maria bc 1849 Burg, Prussia. There is a contributor of this Information listed in this book if you contact me direct I will give it to you also check the Mormons web site ( www.familysearch.org/) click search ancestor, type in Anders, click Australia and you will find a researcher there for your Anders as well, click that one and more particulars come up and click submitter and name and address comes up. O.K.?, which I think if memory serves me right is your connection??!! All the best, Regards, Judy.

Edward, Butt away - thank you very much for all the infor coming down - I am absolutely staggered - regards Chris Anders-Tritt