I am after any information on the KRAMM Family of Suter St Southport Queensland. The last know family member to live Suter St. was Annie KRAMM who died abt: 1965-67 and was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church under the guidance of Pastor Straker. PS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/09/2002

Hi Gail, many thanks for checking for me, Regards, Judy. Action Pest Control & Dunsborough Pest & Weed Management wrote: > Hi All > > I have some passenger lists of German and Wends arriving in Australia if any one is interested. > > Ship Helene 1851, Sanfranisco 1850, Sophie 1850, The Steinwarder 1854, Malvina Vidal 1854, Bielefeld 1855. > > Gail > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sorry not on list Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Holding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re- Ships carrying Wendish and German People to Australia. > Hi Gail, Thanks for the offer would be thrilled if you could please > check for the surnames of SEIBOTH and OSSIG.on the ships passenger lists > that you have. I have found these two ancestors arrivals very hard to > find! Many thanks for your help, > Regards, Judy. > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Gail, Thanks for the offer would be thrilled if you could please check for the surnames of SEIBOTH and OSSIG.on the ships passenger lists that you have. I have found these two ancestors arrivals very hard to find! Many thanks for your help, Regards, Judy.

Thankyou for Schrader info. Will file it & start some more SA research soon. Yvonne in Melbourne Y & P Marshall

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Gail wrote: > > Hi All > > I have some passenger lists of German and Wends arriving in Australia if any one is interested. > > Ship Helene 1851, Sanfranisco 1850, Sophie 1850, The Steinwarder 1854, Malvina Vidal 1854, Bielefeld 1855. Thanks for the offer, Gail. :) I had GOTTE's, WITTBER's and SIEGELE (Seigel/Siegel) and arriving about that time, I'd appreciate if you would have a quick look to see if any are on your lists. When you say 'Wends' . . what do you mean? Do they come from a particular area? My families come from the Kingdoms of East and West Prussia (now Russian and Polish) and from Silesia, also said to be in the Kingdom of Prussia, according to the naturalisation papers. They all settled in South Australia, but I'm unsure where the Gotte's originally landed. Many thanks, Wachita aka Pat Hewett mailto:[email protected]

Hi All I have some passenger lists of German and Wends arriving in Australia if any one is interested. Ship Helene 1851, Sanfranisco 1850, Sophie 1850, The Steinwarder 1854, Malvina Vidal 1854, Bielefeld 1855. Gail

Does anyone have the passenger list for Ship "FRIEDEBERG" that left Hamburg on 22 Jun 1878 and arrived Brisbane (Moreton Bay) on 16 Oct 1878. Looking for KRAMM family. Phil Toowoomba --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.386 / Virus Database: 218 - Release Date: 9/09/2002

Hi Yvonne The Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 lists the following Schraders and their families: August Ferdinand, Carl, Heinrich Christian Ludwig, Herman Friedrick, Joseph, Frederick and Hinderick Lederick Frederick. The last two were spelt Schraeder. I hope this is of some help to you. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Marshall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] SCHRADER / SCHRODER / SCHROEDER > Hi all, my main interest is the above surname variations in Victoria & NSW mainly, but some may be in Sth Aust. > My Ernst Schrader came to Moreton Bay 1866 on Beausite , married in Sydney 1870 to Lydia Douglas & had 6 daughters between 1870 & 1884. > Can only find birth entries for 4 dtrs ! > Middle 2 girls , Florence A Schrader b circa 1875 ,not found > Ellen / Helen Schrader b circa 1878 , not found...would appreciate some help with these 2. > Ernst was in GAOL feb 1873 when his 2nd daughter was born in Sydney at the Benevolent Asylum !!! > Any helpful tips on how to locate "naughty ancestors" prison records ? > I think he was already married or a father back in Osterode or Dudestradt ,Germany, where he was a Basketmaker. > This baby Lydia Schrader b1873 , had a dtr Lillian Rich, who was in films with Reginald Denny in Australia & America..any hints on how to find more about her ? > This is an elusive family but Ernst is supposed to have had 7 brothers , I want to believe that some of them came to Australia too. > Yvonne in Melbourne > Y & P Marshall > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Have you tried looking in South Australian bdm records. There are quite a few Muellers listed in the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 but none matching the names you have given. Some Germans migrated to South Australia and then moved on to Victoria and New South Wales in search of gold and land on which to settle. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Giorno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] MUELLER help > Hi, > Thank you to the people who have given me suggestions on my MUELLER. > Just to give you a bit of a run down here is the info I have. > > Marriage cert info; > 12 Dec 1904, in Corowa NSW at residence of Miss Jessie BOYD, according > to the rites of Presbyterian Church. > Augustus MÜLLER, bachelor, occ jeweller, usual residence Cobram, Vic, > age 32 > birth place Sydney NSW > father Frederick MÜLLER occ Gentleman > mother Mary RINARK (think it's a K) deceased > > Charlotte Ethel BUERCKNER spinster, ususal residence Tungamah Vic, age > 21 > (verified birth date 2 May 1885)) > father Charles William BUERCKNER occ farmer > mother Martha PARISH > Witnesses to the marriage were Charlotte's sister & her husband. > > info from birth cert of son Albert George MÜLLER 13 April 1906 Tungamah, > Vic > father Louis Augustus MÜLLER jeweller, 33 years old born Sydney NSW > (note he hasn't really aged much) > mother Charlotte BUERCKNER age 21 years > previous issue Louis 1 year old > Supposedly there was another son born after Albert George, but not > verified. > > Other than this, nothing is known about the elusive Mr Louis Augustus > MÜLLER. > I cannot find his birth reg, or anything on his parents, nothing on his > siblings (if any) > Have checked indexes for him & parents (all variations of names even > anglicised versions) over a 10 year leeway period. A great big ZILCH > > Charlotte married James Alfred SAUNDERS in 1908 and had a daughter born > September 1908 in Coburg Vic. > > Now what? Has anyone been known to have lost their sanity over a problem > like this? Maybe I'll be the first. Just joking. I actually do have a > sense of humour which is probably a good thing in this case. After all, > don't they say "no news is good news" > > Anybody out there who can contribute to the solution would earn my > eternal thanks. > Barbara > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi all, just a request in advance, could we please refrain from any September 11 stuff on the list? Thanks for your cooperation, Ainslee http://www.ainsleehooper.com/

Barbara If he was married before Charlotte, the details about him on this marriage cert may be false, especially if he had not divorced the first wife. That's what my grandfather did, the details on the first MC were correct but false on the second. Have you tried the records of the other states of Oz? There were a lot of Germans from SA (mine included) and they often slipped over into NSW (which mine did too). SA death records can be checked right up to 1968 on microfiche. I know what you mean about going insane - I have a problem in one of my lines that is having that affect on me too!! Good luck Charmaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Giorno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] MUELLER help Hi, Thank you to the people who have given me suggestions on my MUELLER. Just to give you a bit of a run down here is the info I have. Marriage cert info; 12 Dec 1904, in Corowa NSW at residence of Miss Jessie BOYD, according to the rites of Presbyterian Church. Augustus MÜLLER, bachelor, occ jeweller, usual residence Cobram, Vic, age 32 birth place Sydney NSW father Frederick MÜLLER occ Gentleman mother Mary RINARK (think it's a K) deceased Charlotte Ethel BUERCKNER spinster, ususal residence Tungamah Vic, age 21 (verified birth date 2 May 1885)) father Charles William BUERCKNER occ farmer mother Martha PARISH Witnesses to the marriage were Charlotte's sister & her husband. info from birth cert of son Albert George MÜLLER 13 April 1906 Tungamah, Vic father Louis Augustus MÜLLER jeweller, 33 years old born Sydney NSW (note he hasn't really aged much) mother Charlotte BUERCKNER age 21 years previous issue Louis 1 year old Supposedly there was another son born after Albert George, but not verified. Other than this, nothing is known about the elusive Mr Louis Augustus MÜLLER. I cannot find his birth reg, or anything on his parents, nothing on his siblings (if any) Have checked indexes for him & parents (all variations of names even anglicised versions) over a 10 year leeway period. A great big ZILCH Charlotte married James Alfred SAUNDERS in 1908 and had a daughter born September 1908 in Coburg Vic. Now what? Has anyone been known to have lost their sanity over a problem like this? Maybe I'll be the first. Just joking. I actually do have a sense of humour which is probably a good thing in this case. After all, don't they say "no news is good news" Anybody out there who can contribute to the solution would earn my eternal thanks. Barbara ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, Thank you to the people who have given me suggestions on my MUELLER. Just to give you a bit of a run down here is the info I have. Marriage cert info; 12 Dec 1904, in Corowa NSW at residence of Miss Jessie BOYD, according to the rites of Presbyterian Church. Augustus MÜLLER, bachelor, occ jeweller, usual residence Cobram, Vic, age 32 birth place Sydney NSW father Frederick MÜLLER occ Gentleman mother Mary RINARK (think it's a K) deceased Charlotte Ethel BUERCKNER spinster, ususal residence Tungamah Vic, age 21 (verified birth date 2 May 1885)) father Charles William BUERCKNER occ farmer mother Martha PARISH Witnesses to the marriage were Charlotte's sister & her husband. info from birth cert of son Albert George MÜLLER 13 April 1906 Tungamah, Vic father Louis Augustus MÜLLER jeweller, 33 years old born Sydney NSW (note he hasn't really aged much) mother Charlotte BUERCKNER age 21 years previous issue Louis 1 year old Supposedly there was another son born after Albert George, but not verified. Other than this, nothing is known about the elusive Mr Louis Augustus MÜLLER. I cannot find his birth reg, or anything on his parents, nothing on his siblings (if any) Have checked indexes for him & parents (all variations of names even anglicised versions) over a 10 year leeway period. A great big ZILCH Charlotte married James Alfred SAUNDERS in 1908 and had a daughter born September 1908 in Coburg Vic. Now what? Has anyone been known to have lost their sanity over a problem like this? Maybe I'll be the first. Just joking. I actually do have a sense of humour which is probably a good thing in this case. After all, don't they say "no news is good news" Anybody out there who can contribute to the solution would earn my eternal thanks. Barbara

Where did all this happen Barbara? My Oscar married one wife here in NSW and my grandmother in Qld. I have seen both certs and he changed his surname from Miller to Muller on the second as well as his place of birth and Mothers maiden name. The correct ones were given on the first cert not the second Charmaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Giorno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] MUELLER help > Hi Charmaine, > How many scroundrels were out there I wonder? > Another fact I didn't mention was thas Louis had disappeared by the time > my gfather was 4 years old. My gmother then married another man (legally > this time). > Any ideas on how to find out more? > Barbara > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Barbara I think Charmaine's idea is plausible, so I'd check out dates on both. My Nuske's are also Nusche, Neuske, the German with 2 dots on the "u" for Nuske - that apparently replaces the "u". they further are also Noske. I'd therefore imagine that Muller (with dots), & Mueller are really the one name. If he already had a wife - he could have anglised the name to Miller to sound more "English". His given names being Louis and August(us) that you have said you have swapped...most seach engines come up with anything close. Do you have his brothers & sisters? A lot of germans had 3 given names, so perhaps you might find reference to him through the rest of the family? Or search the correct time frame - you don't mention where you were searching - like what country? did you only search Australia or what? Warmest wishes Karen in Canberra, Australia [email protected] formerly [email protected] the bunny account dies in early November ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Giorno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] MUELLER help Hi Charmaine, How many scroundrels were out there I wonder? Another fact I didn't mention was thas Louis had disappeared by the time my gfather was 4 years old. My gmother then married another man (legally this time). Any ideas on how to find out more? Barbara ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

dear Ainslee, Dates are important to me, but even more important is the flesh of a person. The people who where at the wedding the midwife the people in their lives. For example John Stoltenberg came out to Australia on the Alster in 1862. On that ship where a young married couple whose decedents now live next door to my brother, and who we have known all my life. That makes the trip more real with real people. Diaries, stories verbal history that is very important to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee Hooper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] What do people look for? Hi all, as i'm at a bit of a stand still with my family tree (it's the weekend and i have to wait for certificates to come in the mail and i can't think of anymore sites to browse through), i'm wondering what information everyone tries to find on individuals they are researching? I mainly search for birth death and marriage certificates, what else could i search for that mightlead to information and where do i find this information? Any info is appreciated, thanks, Ainslee http://www.ainsleehooper.com/ ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Charmaine, How many scroundrels were out there I wonder? Another fact I didn't mention was thas Louis had disappeared by the time my gfather was 4 years old. My gmother then married another man (legally this time). Any ideas on how to find out more? Barbara

Former migrant Margot Schargenberg (Nee Ripperger) on M.S. Nelly departed Bremin Germany on 28 October 1952 arriving Melbourne 6 December 1952 would like to make contact with other passengers. This was the 1st migration of German married couples as well as single migrants after WW2. On arrival at Melbourne, passengers were relocated to Bonegilla and some 24 migrants were later relocated to Orange on 1 January 1953. As 50 years is nearing since arrival in Australia Margot would like to hear from any other fellow passengers.

Thought it time to repost my interests Christian Jacob Heinrich HAEFFNER born in Leibenstadt Baden German in 1832 arrived in Australia in 1852. In 1854 he married Mary CONWAY born Tulla Co Clare Ireland circa 1836 The couple lived in northeast Victoria - Beechworth, Wooragee and Fernvale If any one is descended from this couple I would love to hear from you Denise Great-granddaughter of Christian and Mary