I have just read an article that says that when migrants left Germany for Australia the village and family would gather for a funeral service and wake. The article says that the local records were marked with a symbol that suggested the person had died. I can imagine that for those left behind it was like a death because the chance of ever seeing their loved ones again was rather remote. Has anybody ever heard of this custom or is it just a figment of someone's imagination? Albert Grulke

Technology and budget has won the day. Mr Big pond has decided to transfer me to broadband and have a new email address. As of now my new email address is agrulke@bigpond.net.au Albert Grulke

Uncommon lives is a series on famous and not so famous Australians as revealed in records held by the National Archives Scientist and inventor Wolf Klaphake (1900-67) emigrated from Germany in 1935. This website traces the story of his four-year detention in Australian internment camps during World War II. http://uncommonlives.naa.gov.au/contents.asp?sID=3 This website contains a large number of refs on the issue of internment of "enemy aliens". While the internment of Germans and others during the wars was by and large unjust, the conditions of their treatment were a lot less onerous than that applying to native Australians and nonwhites in general which was of a more continuing nature. While, that an apology is required is undoubted it shouldn't be muddled it into and confused with the more pressing issue of aboriginal reconciliation. I can't recall that any of the aryan internees were shot because they had blue eyes or because they were trade unionists. regards Col -----Original Message----- From: Albert Grulke [mailto:grulke@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2004 3:59 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Enemy Aliens I was led to pester my local library for a copy of the book Enemy Aliens as a result of a number of list wide emails recommending this book. Recently I have had numerous friendly interested emails asking about the book since I shared some thoughts on the list because I knew from past emails that many are interested in the internment issue for both WW1 and WW2. It affected many more families than we believe. It certainly explained for me many things that people have asked about attitudes when we were all children and I thought it might help others. The content of the book affected me and perhaps I was too enthused to share that effect. The book is written by Gerhard Fischer who I assume is/was a lecturer at Queensland University because in the foreword reference is made to that institution. He quotes freely from government and other documents to support what he says. I am given to believe that it is not available for purchase except from Queensland University. I obtained a loan copy from my local library. They actually had to get it in for me from another source. Unfortunately I cannot tell more about it because I have returned the book and the library has lent it out. Apparently it is a sought after reference for historians and especially those pursuing Germanic family history. Sorry that I cannot tell you more but the <Librarian assures me that it is obtainable from any library although they may have to get a copy form another source.

I was led to pester my local library for a copy of the book Enemy Aliens as a result of a number of list wide emails recommending this book. Recently I have had numerous friendly interested emails asking about the book since I shared some thoughts on the list because I knew from past emails that many are interested in the internment issue for both WW1 and WW2. It affected many more families than we believe. It certainly explained for me many things that people have asked about attitudes when we were all children and I thought it might help others. The content of the book affected me and perhaps I was too enthused to share that effect. The book is written by Gerhard Fischer who I assume is/was a lecturer at Queensland University because in the foreword reference is made to that institution. He quotes freely from government and other documents to support what he says. I am given to believe that it is not available for purchase except from Queensland University. I obtained a loan copy from my local library. They actually had to get it in for me from another source. Unfortunately I cannot tell more about it because I have returned the book and the library has lent it out. Apparently it is a sought after reference for historians and especially those pursuing Germanic family history. Sorry that I cannot tell you more but the <Librarian assures me that it is obtainable from any library although they may have to get a copy form another source.

Oh Help. In my one name study for Hoffmann in Australia I have found myself absolutely bamboozelled by the family of Peter Hoffmann and his wife Eva Maria ECK in Queensland. They had something like 17 children most of whom survived and had children. I have got to a place where grandchildren are marrying greatgrandchildren and I think I am going all wrong. Could some wonderful and kind person help me sort out this family which is causing me to be so stressed . As another Hoffmann issue is two Johann Samuel Gottlieb HOFFMANN one born 1794 and the other 1795 they both came to South Australia at about the same time with their families. One of the JSG Hoffmann was the brother of Johanne Elizabeth Hoffmann m TEUSNER and Johanne Eleonore Hoffmann m JUETTNER and BLUMEL, and I have found references which claim both as the brother. The 1794 Johann Samuel Gottlieb married twice firstly WEHLE and then possibly LUX, the other was my family and he married WALTER. Just going on the birth places for both men it is probibly the 1794 Johann Samuel Gottleib HOFFMANN but I am unsure. Could anyone help me on either if these two problems. Thank you. Gillian Baker

thank you Albert, I might just look for that book. It sounds a shocking and fascinating story. A friend of mine came from Germany after the war, as a child, and was treated dreadfully, and yet he fought for Australia (or whatever) in Vietnam. My great great grandfather was German, though I have no idea of his background. I have been profoundly disturbed by the way that our country has treated those who are considered "different" and therefore dangerous both historically and currently. We must never forget that once we were the "aliens" who invaded this country and imposed unspeakable suffering on it's indigenous population. Liz, Sth Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Alien Enemy > My fellow Listers, > > I know this is not exactly genealogy but it has so much bearing on what we > are all trying to discover about our past that I reckon it worth sharing. > > I have just read the book Alien Enemy and recommend it to everyone. > > I cannot speak about how others have seen it but to me it had some > reactions. > > I began the first few chapters saying to myself this cannot be all true > and > finished it in total disgust. I would never have believed that Australians > could treat fellow Australians in this manner > > What comes to my mind is that these people treated in this manner were our > Germanic ancestors. Fifty years before the governments of Queensland, > Victoria, South Australia and New South Wales had sent agents to northern > Europe to persuade, entice, bribe and whatever else it took to get the > parents of these men to come here to go into the outback and open up the > land. The English settlers weren't prepared to go there but the Germanic > migrants did. > > In 1914 the government of the day both state and commonwealth rewarded > their > sons by making them prisoners of war and treating them worse than common > criminals. Their crime was no more than claming to be Australian. > > The book can be summed up as typical political hysteria combined with > bureaucratic lunacy. I find no other words to describe what was done. > > I now have an opinion that if we want governments to apologise to > aboriginals or any other group they could well start by apologising to us > the descendants of the 19th century Germanic migrants for the way our > ancestors were treated in 1914-20. > > Actually the book frightens me a little because it depicts exactly what > can > happen again if the media, politicians and 'do-gooders' don't handle this > so > called War on Terror properly. I know from experience that in war people > act > differently than in normal times and it takes little to bring out the > worst > in us. Enemy Alien supports that knowledge. > > There were a number of instances that appalled me but two that amused me > was > the fourth generation couple who could not speak German and never left > their > little town in WA but who were sided up for deportation. The other was the > fellow interned the day before his son was medivac home permanently > injured > from France. > > The book certainly helped me better understand the petty swipes that I > would > so often hear as a child. My father was German and mother was English. We > were never let forget that we were German but there was some ill feeling > there and now I think I understand it. > > I obtained a copy from the local library that especially got it in for me. > > Albert Grulke > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

My fellow Listers, I know this is not exactly genealogy but it has so much bearing on what we are all trying to discover about our past that I reckon it worth sharing. I have just read the book Alien Enemy and recommend it to everyone. I cannot speak about how others have seen it but to me it had some reactions. I began the first few chapters saying to myself this cannot be all true and finished it in total disgust. I would never have believed that Australians could treat fellow Australians in this manner What comes to my mind is that these people treated in this manner were our Germanic ancestors. Fifty years before the governments of Queensland, Victoria, South Australia and New South Wales had sent agents to northern Europe to persuade, entice, bribe and whatever else it took to get the parents of these men to come here to go into the outback and open up the land. The English settlers weren't prepared to go there but the Germanic migrants did. In 1914 the government of the day both state and commonwealth rewarded their sons by making them prisoners of war and treating them worse than common criminals. Their crime was no more than claming to be Australian. The book can be summed up as typical political hysteria combined with bureaucratic lunacy. I find no other words to describe what was done. I now have an opinion that if we want governments to apologise to aboriginals or any other group they could well start by apologising to us the descendants of the 19th century Germanic migrants for the way our ancestors were treated in 1914-20. Actually the book frightens me a little because it depicts exactly what can happen again if the media, politicians and 'do-gooders' don't handle this so called War on Terror properly. I know from experience that in war people act differently than in normal times and it takes little to bring out the worst in us. Enemy Alien supports that knowledge. There were a number of instances that appalled me but two that amused me was the fourth generation couple who could not speak German and never left their little town in WA but who were sided up for deportation. The other was the fellow interned the day before his son was medivac home permanently injured from France. The book certainly helped me better understand the petty swipes that I would so often hear as a child. My father was German and mother was English. We were never let forget that we were German but there was some ill feeling there and now I think I understand it. I obtained a copy from the local library that especially got it in for me. Albert Grulke

Morning all, this came to me accidentally, cheers, Ainslee p.s. remember to post to aus-german-l@rootsweb.com otherwise if you put request, the emails come to me, not the list. -----Original Message----- From: jimbull [mailto:jimbull1@centralonline.com.au] Sent: Friday, 1 October 2004 8:22 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: family research Hi to you all My name is Jim Bull and I live in South Australia I am new to this mailing list and I am looking for any help I can get please?? I have two families I am researching that migrated from Germany to Australia. Boehm family Ernest August Boehm Born 13 Dec 1822 Place?? Migrated to Australia when he was 23 years old Arrived at south Australia in 1845 from Bremem This is all I have on Ernest Boehm from his homeland , I have information about his family in Australia I am looking for anything that might help to build his family tree from his homeland Doneiski family Carl Doneiski Born?? Occupation linen weaver Died in his homeland?? Married Married Rosalie Bush Born ?? Migrated to South Australia in 1889 Died 6th Nov 1892 South Australia she was 76 years old Children Bertha Elizabeth Doneiski Born 22 Feb 1857 Place Dt Krone Migrated to South Australia in 1881?? Married 26 Jan 1886 Adelaide south Australia Married Ernest Boehm (junior) Born Died Adelaide South Australia Ottilie Teresa Doneiski Born 1863?? Migrated to South Australia in 1889 Died 2nd sep 1927 Adelaide South Australia I would like to find out about the Doneiski family because Elizabeth as she was known was my GG Grandmother and Ernest (junior) Boehm was my GG Grandfather Any information on or about these families would spark a new interest in my research Thank you Jim

Hi Yvonne I have had queries before as to whether my "Rose" was german or not - yes it definitely is. It is possible that it changed from Rosink/Roseke in the 1300/1400's. I am sorry but I have not come across "Brockschneider" during my research but if I do I will certainly let you know. Cheers Vee Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall@bigpond.com> wrote: Hi from melbourne - is Rose a German name ? It looks and sounds so English doesn't it ? My Bielefeld ancestors were named BROCKSCHNEIDER .....have you ever come across this surname ? Yvonne ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi from melbourne - is Rose a German name ? It looks and sounds so English doesn't it ? My Bielefeld ancestors were named BROCKSCHNEIDER .....have you ever come across this surname ? Yvonne

Hi Everyone Seeking information on Johann Conrad Otto Gustav Rose and his wife Julia Gottliebe Walther. Johann was born in Bielefeld, Prussia in 1824 and Julia was born c1836 at Gersdorf, Saxony. Some associated names are: O'Reilly, O'Brien, Hayes, Curtis, Shiel & Locksley. Cheers Vee --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi everyone Another family I am researching is that of Leberecht Fiedler b.c1819 in Erdmannsdorf, Silesia. Leberecht arrived in Australia in 1850 aboard the Pribislaw with his wife, Theresa Knobloch and children, Charles Gustav Oswald and Anna Maria. Another child, Anne Elizabeth was born in Wollert, Victoria. Some associated names are: Aston, Pach, James, Grey, Lee, Payne, Cook, Richardson. Any information would be gratefully received Cheers Vee --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi everyone I am seeking information on the families of Gottlieb Knobloch b. c1816 & his wife Anna Rosina Binner b. c1822 in Hartliebdorf, Prussia who arrived in Australia in 1849 with their eldest child, Carl Herman and settled at Thomastown, Victoria. They also lived at Bendigo and finally settled at Inglewood, Victoria. Some associated names are: Hutchinson, Flight, Howells, Garonne, De Broughe, Stewart, Hodges, Crone. Any information would be gratefully received and will exchange any information that I already have. Cheers Vee --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hi Ainslee Could it be that they are requesting a transcription of Birth, Death, Marriage certificates for the person concerned or in general, a profile of the person Cheers Vee Ainslee Hooper <arhooper@ozemail.com.au> wrote: What's contained in one though? Basically my site is asking if I have a transcript for a particular person. Thanks, Ainslee _______________________________________________ List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l www.ainsleehooper.com GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Verna Mackenzie [mailto:verbri@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 3:38 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript To transcribe..to write over again, to copy. Transcript ...that which is transcribed, a copy, an imitation. They are offering to give you a written copy. Catchya Verna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee Hooper" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript > Hi all, > > Genealogy question for you. What's a transcript? I've got this > new thing on my site for a project I'm undertaking and it gives the option > of uploading a transcript if necessary. Any info appreciated, thanks, > Ainslee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l > www.ainsleehooper.com > GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

What's contained in one though? Basically my site is asking if I have a transcript for a particular person. Thanks, Ainslee _______________________________________________ List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l www.ainsleehooper.com GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Verna Mackenzie [mailto:verbri@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 3:38 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript To transcribe..to write over again, to copy. Transcript ...that which is transcribed, a copy, an imitation. They are offering to give you a written copy. Catchya Verna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee Hooper" <arhooper@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript > Hi all, > > Genealogy question for you. What's a transcript? I've got this > new thing on my site for a project I'm undertaking and it gives the option > of uploading a transcript if necessary. Any info appreciated, thanks, > Ainslee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l > www.ainsleehooper.com <http://www.ainsleehooper.com/> > GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In NSW you can go to a transcription agent to get the birth, marriage or death details from the registry. It isn't an official certificate but it contains the same information and is cheaper. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Ainslee Hooper [mailto:arhooper@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:13 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript What's contained in one though? Basically my site is asking if I have a transcript for a particular person. Thanks, Ainslee _______________________________________________ List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l www.ainsleehooper.com GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Verna Mackenzie [mailto:verbri@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 3:38 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript To transcribe..to write over again, to copy. Transcript ...that which is transcribed, a copy, an imitation. They are offering to give you a written copy. Catchya Verna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee Hooper" <arhooper@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript > Hi all, > > Genealogy question for you. What's a transcript? I've got this > new thing on my site for a project I'm undertaking and it gives the option > of uploading a transcript if necessary. Any info appreciated, thanks, > Ainslee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l > www.ainsleehooper.com <http://www.ainsleehooper.com/> > GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

To transcribe..to write over again, to copy. Transcript ...that which is transcribed, a copy, an imitation. They are offering to give you a written copy. Catchya Verna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslee Hooper" <arhooper@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Transcript > Hi all, > > Genealogy question for you. What's a transcript? I've got this > new thing on my site for a project I'm undertaking and it gives the option > of uploading a transcript if necessary. Any info appreciated, thanks, > Ainslee > > > > _______________________________________________ > > List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l > www.ainsleehooper.com <http://www.ainsleehooper.com/> > GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide. > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi all, Genealogy question for you. What's a transcript? I've got this new thing on my site for a project I'm undertaking and it gives the option of uploading a transcript if necessary. Any info appreciated, thanks, Ainslee _______________________________________________ List Administrator of Aus-german-l & hooper-ons-l & deller-l www.ainsleehooper.com <http://www.ainsleehooper.com/> GOONS #3895 Hooper, worldwide.

Is there anyone else interested in the family of Johann ZIMMER/Annie ROSEL, who migrated to Victoria in 1849 on the "Pribislav"? I am interested in all descendants, especially those of Maria ZIMMER, who married Alex McLEOD and William WHYTE. Audrey King, NSW Blue Mts

Unsubscribe please. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bartlett McElroy" <infinity2@iinet.net.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Australian/German History. > Obviously they haven't seen OUR local library! Liz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Rhynehart" <brianr@cyberone.com.au> > To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:39 AM > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Australian/German History. > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I was chastised last night by a former Librarian about the information I > gave regarding access to "Enemy Aliens". > > > > > > > > What I should have been telling you was that: > > > > "You check with your local Library first, most have a very comprehensive > collection of Genealogy and Australian History works. THEN you race off to > your State Library." > > > > > > > > Brian Rhynehart, > > > > Canberra. > > > > HAGSOC #3273 > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > > > > > > > > Researching: > > > > German Families relevant to this list: > > > > WILL, HEPPNER/HEPNER/HOEPPNER, HOHNBURG/HOHENBERG. > > > > plus some of the families in their marriages for historical interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > > For your Aus-German resources go to > > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237