G'day Mate, Can we have the English translation bitte? Regards Bob in Weipa where the sun always shines. -----Original Message----- From: AUS-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:AUS-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of von Obersteiner Sent: Saturday, 20 November 2004 1:03 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: AUS-GERMAN-D Digest V04 #127 Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, - ich muss Sie auf ein Ubertragungsphanomen hinweisen: Von den von Ihnen gesandten e-mails konnte ich kein einziges entschlusseln. Eines meiner Virusprogramme informiert mich, dass folgender Text mit attachments entfernt wurde und nicht dargestellt werden kann. Somit kommen hier alle Ihre mails leer an. Sie sind die einzigen, bei denen mein Computer so reagiert, vielleicht koennen Sie mir, einen anderen Computer/Netzwerk benutzend, einen Tip geben wie die e-mails fur mich lesbar weren konnten. W. v. Obersteiner, Sydney, Blue Mountains ----- Original Message ----- From: <AUS-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-GERMAN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: AUS-GERMAN-D Digest V04 #127 ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Thankyou so much, at least I have somewhere to start to look for the ancestors. Jill Cummins > Jill, > Yes The South Australian Germans mainly came from Silesia although some talk > about Saxony. There was a small migration from the Spreewalde or Lusatia in > Brandenburg. These people were called Wends or Sorbs. > Albert Grulke in cloudy old Melbourne >

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To bob moritz, Hi , have you written their story re the mining towns in Australia? Yvonne & Phillip , Singapore .

Gosh Albert these names are all new to me. My gg grandfather came from Bremen Germany to Sth Australia. It says that the ship had passengers from Mecklenburg, Prussia and Siberia, 22nd Jan 1846. Does any of your information fit with mine? I haven't a clue where to start, know nothing about him except his name and various versions of it,which I haven't been able to trace at all. Doesn't even rate a mention on familysearch and any of the German surnames lists. Any ideas? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants > Jill, > Yes The South Australian Germans mainly came from Silesia although some > talk > about Saxony. There was a small migration from the Spreewalde or Lusatia > in > Brandenburg. These people were called Wends or Sorbs. > Albert Grulke in cloudy old Melbourne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill and Bill Cummins [mailto:cummins@hotlinks.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:48 AM > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants > > I suppose being a new subscriber I have missed all the lovely discussion > on > Germans arriving in the 1850's to South Australia. Was there any one > region > of germany that they mainly came from? Are there any really good books to > read on Immigation to South Australia? > Thanks all, I am enjoying the discussions > JILL CUMMINS > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx >

Jill, Yes The South Australian Germans mainly came from Silesia although some talk about Saxony. There was a small migration from the Spreewalde or Lusatia in Brandenburg. These people were called Wends or Sorbs. Albert Grulke in cloudy old Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Jill and Bill Cummins [mailto:cummins@hotlinks.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:48 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants I suppose being a new subscriber I have missed all the lovely discussion on Germans arriving in the 1850's to South Australia. Was there any one region of germany that they mainly came from? Are there any really good books to read on Immigation to South Australia? Thanks all, I am enjoying the discussions JILL CUMMINS ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I you'll find Holbrook was GermanTON! Cheers, Catherine the background lurker!

Some of them, including my forbear Gottlieb Friedrich Moritz came from Niedersachsen ( Lower Saxony) which was then in the Duchy of Braunschweig (Brunswick) in the Kingdom of Hanover. The area he came from around Clausthal - Zellarfeld was a base metal mining area. He, some of his sons and grandsons were hard rock underground miners at Glen Osmond, Broken Hill and Kalgoorlie. Some of them also worked in the brown coal mine at Leigh Creek. The family emigrated to South Australia, via Valparaiso and Port Phillip, in the Godeffroy, arriving in 1849. Regards Bob Moritz from Comalco's Andoom bauxite mine, in Paradise Weipa, near the tip of Cape York. -----Original Message----- From: Bartlett McElroy [mailto:infinity2@iinet.net.au] Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 3:06 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants Gosh Albert these names are all new to me. My gg grandfather came from Bremen Germany to Sth Australia. It says that the ship had passengers from Mecklenburg, Prussia and Siberia, 22nd Jan 1846. Does any of your information fit with mine? I haven't a clue where to start, know nothing about him except his name and various versions of it,which I haven't been able to trace at all. Doesn't even rate a mention on familysearch and any of the German surnames lists. Any ideas? Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants > Jill, > Yes The South Australian Germans mainly came from Silesia although > some talk about Saxony. There was a small migration from the > Spreewalde or Lusatia in Brandenburg. These people were called Wends > or Sorbs. > Albert Grulke in cloudy old Melbourne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill and Bill Cummins [mailto:cummins@hotlinks.net.au] > Sent: Thursday, 18 November 2004 11:48 AM > To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] South Australian Immigrants > > I suppose being a new subscriber I have missed all the lovely > discussion on Germans arriving in the 1850's to South Australia. Was > there any one region of germany that they mainly came from? Are there > any really good books to read on Immigation to South Australia? > Thanks all, I am enjoying the discussions JILL CUMMINS > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Hi Listers My German ancestors came to the Shoalhaven in 1856 as assisted immigrants (by Alexander Berry) to work on the Coolongatta vineyard. Philip Arentz was a 'vinedresser'. He was accompanied by his wife Phillipina (or perhaps Catherine) and children Eva, Martin and Christina by an earlier marriage, and Margaret, Valentin, Franz, Peter Joseph and Phillip (who died on the voyage). Valentin, Franz and Peter Joseph later travelled by the Kiandra goldfields to Tumut where they settled. Martin moved to Inverell. Is anyone else researching this family? Cheers Atholie Gallagher

Sorry got my Hol's mixed up, Holbrook not Holsworthy. Did a little search and found http://www.teachers.ash.org.au/dnutting/germanaustralia/e/chron/chron1.htm Rather a good site for general history Regards Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >Gillian, >Are you telling us that there is yet another Germantown? >Was there a GERMANTOWN NEAR Holsworthy? >Can you tell me more? I know Holsworthy very well having lived in Ingleburn >and traveled often to Holsworthy. MY son now lives in Holsworthy proper. >Albert Grulke > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] >Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 8:47 AM >To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans > >Hi, >As part of the research into the assisted immigrants into NSW who came >in between 1849 and 1855 a study should be made of the people who >employed the immigrants when they arrived. For example one of the >reasons that there was a population of German immigrants in the Nowra >area (south coast of NSW for those who don't know) was that Alexander >Berry, who owned land in that area, employed 22 immigrants in total. >This doesn't sound many but the largest number employed where John and >William Macarthur who employed 34. Many of the employers where from >Moreton Bay, the Hunter, the Sydney area, the south coast, northern >rivers and New England. Once there was a population of German speakers >then others would follow. >I have not found any reason why Germantown NSW (now Holsworthy) came >into existance. >Numbers arriving; >1849-50 384 immigrants (121 families) mostly to Sydney area and the Hunter, >1852-53 757 immigrants (244 families) some went to Moreton Bay >1854-56 1496 immigrants (380 families) > >Given the German family size there must be a lot of people in NSW who >have German blood from this immigration period. >Regards, >Gillian > >Albert Grulke wrote: > > > >>In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >>have come to a few conclusions. >> >>There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >>happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and >>they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >>than to South Australia. >> >>I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. >>Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been >>spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. >> >>I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the >>migrants came from and about when they came. >> >>Let me list what I am sure of: >> >>In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built >>the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans >>Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that >> >> >if > > >>the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans >>there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. >>Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they >>live? >> >>In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a >>number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter >>Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, >> >> >wine > > >>makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some >>shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the >> >> >Camden > > >>Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the >>first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines >> >> >older > > >>than any other Australian wines. >> >>Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around >>Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called >>Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not >>call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans >>living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in >> >> >Sydney > > >>and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the >>Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the >>second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and >>settled around Walla Walla. >> >>I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the >>Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of >>small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of >>Grafton with German names. I wonder why. >> >>There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New >> >> >England > > >>districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German >>settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German >>settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. >> >>I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in >>the Narrabri district. >> >>In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans >>between Grafton and Narrabri. >> >>Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating >>population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to >>satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that >>keep presenting themselves from this area. >> >>The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but >>often read things that leave me to wonder. >> >>Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking >>German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. >> >>I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large >> >> >scattered > > >>migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would >>appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the >>blanks. >> >>Thanks in anticipation >> >>Albert Grulke >> >> >> >> >> >>==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >>For your Aus-German resources go to >>http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm >> >>============================== >>Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >>ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. 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I suppose being a new subscriber I have missed all the lovely discussion on Germans arriving in the 1850's to South Australia. Was there any one region of germany that they mainly came from? Are there any really good books to read on Immigation to South Australia? Thanks all, I am enjoying the discussions JILL CUMMINS

I suppose being a new subscriber I have missed all the lovely discussion on Germans arriving in the 1850's to South Australia. Was there any one region of germany that they mainly came from? Are there any really good books to read on Immigation to South Australia? Thanks all, I am enjoying the discussions JILL CUMMINS

The Queensland government did assist for some Germanic migrants to come out but the majority was covered by agents working for the settlers. The Apostolic church and some other church groups also paid the way. NSW Government assisted some German migrants to NSW. Again agents working for the settlers paid the way. I find no reference for church groups being involved in NSW. In Victoria the government again assisted some migrants. Victoria becomes involved because we had migrants coming from Europe under various schemes and we had second generation Lutherans from SA coming across the border and integrating. I cannot find any reference to government help in Tasmania I find no reference of government help in South Australia. There were no German migrants into West Australia so far as I can establish. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: cheryl [mailto:cherwoodward@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 6:18 PM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: New South Wales germans The NSW government paid for assisted immigrants from German from about 1838 - 1858. The book "Greetings from the land where milk and honey flow: German imigration to NSW 1838 - 1858". Is about this issue. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney Pedersen" <courtneybp@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: New South Wales germans > Just in response to Albert's research - Can people recommend good titles > regarding German migration to Queensland? > > Also can anyone confirm (or refute!) the information I read somewhere that > the Queensland Government (out of desperation for farm workers) was the > only > state government to actively recruit, and pay passage for, > non-English-speakers in the 19th Century (or before Federation)? This > discussion of Germans being recruited for the Hunter would appear to > contradict this... > > Many thanks, > Courtney Pedersen > > On 16/11/04 8:41 AM, "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> wrote: > >> In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >> have come to a few conclusions. >> >> There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >> happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia >> and >> they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >> than to South Australia. >> > >> >> Albert Grulke >> >> >> > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx

Gillian, Are you telling us that there is yet another Germantown? Was there a GERMANTOWN NEAR Holsworthy? Can you tell me more? I know Holsworthy very well having lived in Ingleburn and traveled often to Holsworthy. MY son now lives in Holsworthy proper. Albert Grulke -----Original Message----- From: Gill Baker [mailto:troublepaddock@drumard.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2004 8:47 AM To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans Hi, As part of the research into the assisted immigrants into NSW who came in between 1849 and 1855 a study should be made of the people who employed the immigrants when they arrived. For example one of the reasons that there was a population of German immigrants in the Nowra area (south coast of NSW for those who don't know) was that Alexander Berry, who owned land in that area, employed 22 immigrants in total. This doesn't sound many but the largest number employed where John and William Macarthur who employed 34. Many of the employers where from Moreton Bay, the Hunter, the Sydney area, the south coast, northern rivers and New England. Once there was a population of German speakers then others would follow. I have not found any reason why Germantown NSW (now Holsworthy) came into existance. Numbers arriving; 1849-50 384 immigrants (121 families) mostly to Sydney area and the Hunter, 1852-53 757 immigrants (244 families) some went to Moreton Bay 1854-56 1496 immigrants (380 families) Given the German family size there must be a lot of people in NSW who have German blood from this immigration period. Regards, Gillian Albert Grulke wrote: >In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >have come to a few conclusions. > >There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia and >they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >than to South Australia. > >I have a strong suspicion that the next largest was to New South Wales. >Unfortunately the Germanic migration to this state seems to have been >spasmodic and more sparsely spread out. > >I am trying to pin some of these settlements down to find out where the >migrants came from and about when they came. > >Let me list what I am sure of: > >In 1810 the New South Wales administration using German State money built >the German Lutheran Church in Goulburn Street Sydney as a place for Germans >Lutherans to worship. That church is still in use. My logic tells me that if >the administration built with convict labour a church for German Lutherans >there must have been a reasonable number of Germans in Sydney town in 1810. >Where did they come from? What did they do for a living? Where did they >live? > >In 1817 the settlers of the Hunter Valley using government agents enticed a >number of German families to leave the Rhineland to come to the Hunter >Valley to work in the emerging wine industry. These were vine dressers, wine >makers and vignerons. They bought with them some merchants and some >shepherds. Some of these people seem to have gone as far south as the Camden >Valley but more on that in a minute. This puts the Hunter Valley as the >first wine growing district in Australia and makes Hunter Valley wines older >than any other Australian wines. > >Now I know that there was a reasonable large Germanic settlement around >Holbrook in the south of the state. The town of Holbrook was called >Germantown by the authorities until 1917. The authorities surely would not >call a place Germantown unless there were a reasonable number of Germans >living there or would it. These Germans seemed to have disembarked in Sydney >and travelled south. I find little or no connection between them and the >Victorian migrants. They also seem to have had no association with the >second generation Lutheran Germans who travelled from South Australia and >settled around Walla Walla. > >I have it on record that there was a large German settlement along the >Clarence River centring on Grafton. I remember that there are a couple of >small districts, maybe townships along the Princes Highway and south of >Grafton with German names. I wonder why. > >There seems to have been a large migration into Armidale and the New England >districts. I recall that when I first became interested in the German >settlements in Australia around the 1960s I was told about a German >settlement at or near Deepwater which is between Armidale and Glenn Innes. > >I have strong reason to believe that a number of German migrants settled in >the Narrabri district. > >In about 1870 a Lutheran pastor had eleven congregations of Lutherans >between Grafton and Narrabri. > >Campbelltown and Picton interest me. There seems to have been a migrating >population of Germans in this area. I can't seem to pin anything down to >satisfy me that there was as settlement here but there are many names that >keep presenting themselves from this area. > >The area around Nowra is suspicious. Again I can't pin anything down but >often read things that leave me to wonder. > >Albury is the confusing one. It seems that Albury became a Mecca taking >German residents from Victoria, Walla Walla and Holbrook. > >I find this interesting that there seems to have been such a large scattered >migration into New South Wales yet we know so little about it. I would >appreciate any information that listers can give me to help fill in the >blanks. > >Thanks in anticipation > >Albert Grulke > > > > > >==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== >For your Aus-German resources go to >http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > >============================== >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. 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Thanks Cheryl. Good point, I will follow up. Regards Bob Starling

The NSW government paid for assisted immigrants from German from about 1838 - 1858. The book "Greetings from the land where milk and honey flow: German imigration to NSW 1838 - 1858". Is about this issue. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney Pedersen" <courtneybp@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: [AUS-GERMAN] Re: New South Wales germans > Just in response to Albert's research - Can people recommend good titles > regarding German migration to Queensland? > > Also can anyone confirm (or refute!) the information I read somewhere that > the Queensland Government (out of desperation for farm workers) was the > only > state government to actively recruit, and pay passage for, > non-English-speakers in the 19th Century (or before Federation)? This > discussion of Germans being recruited for the Hunter would appear to > contradict this... > > Many thanks, > Courtney Pedersen > > On 16/11/04 8:41 AM, "Albert Grulke" <grulke@bigpond.com.au> wrote: > >> In my study of the Germanic migration to Australia in the 19th century I >> have come to a few conclusions. >> >> There can be no disputing that the major migration was to Queensland. It >> happened over a longer period than did the migration to South Australia >> and >> they settled in a much larger area of the sate. There were also many more >> than to South Australia. >> > >> >> Albert Grulke >> >> >> > > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Would he have been a sailor and got a job onboard a ship? Would of been easy to leave a wife and child this way. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Starling" <bobkwangi@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans > Help needed Please. > > I am attempting to trace a Frederick Janzen who married Ann Owen on 28 > August 1856 at St. Phillips Church Sydney. > A son was born to Frederick and Ann in 1960 with Frederick's nationality > being stated as German. At the time of the marriage Frederick was 25 years > of age suggesting he was born around 1831 and had been in Australia about > 5 years at time of marriage making the arrival around 1850/51. > I have been unable to locate an arrival of Frederick into Australia as an > assisted immigrant or his death. > Interestingly his marriage certificate has the name "Johnsen" or "Johnson" > ruled through and Janzen inserted above - possibly a recording error at > time of documentation by church minister or in the transcription to BDM > records at a later date. His conjugal status was Bachelor with occupation > a Chandler having resided in Sydney for past five years. His parents names > are not recorded but his father's occupation is stated as a farmer. > Ann and her son relocated to Dubbo between 1860/63 but there is a good > chance that Frederick did not accompany her as she took up a liaison with > a John Vacchini. > My two main concerns are: > 1. When and how did Frederick Janzen get into Australia > 2. After the arrival of his son he just seemed to dematerialise with no > death being recorded in Australia under Frederick Janzen. > Ann had a handful of children to John but never married him assuming that > she was still married to Frederick. > I need to refocus the direction of research to try and resolve these two > concerns. Any advice would be appreciated. > Bob Starling > > ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== > For your Aus-German resources go to > http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >

Hi Bob Below is the reference for the naturalization of Frederick JANSEN. If you check this record it should list date of arrival and name of ship. Joyce JANSENFrederickGermany12 Nov 18806856-[4/1205]131 --------------------------------------------------------- Joyce Tomasi E-Mail: jindajoy@ozemail.com.au In the Snowy Mountains of NSW Australia ---------------------------------------------------------- -------Original Message------- From: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Date: 11/17/04 10:40:33 To: AUS-GERMAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-GERMAN] New South Wales germans Help needed Please. I am attempting to trace a Frederick Janzen who married Ann Owen on 28 August 1856 at St. Phillips Church Sydney. A son was born to Frederick and Ann in 1960 with Frederick's nationality being stated as German. At the time of the marriage Frederick was 25 years of age suggesting he was born around 1831 and had been in Australia about 5 years at time of marriage making the arrival around 1850/51. I have been unable to locate an arrival of Frederick into Australia as an assisted immigrant or his death. Interestingly his marriage certificate has the name "Johnsen" or "Johnson" ruled through and Janzen inserted above - possibly a recording error at time of documentation by church minister or in the transcription to BDM records at a later date. His conjugal status was Bachelor with occupation a Chandler having resided in Sydney for past five years. His parents names are not recorded but his father's occupation is stated as a farmer. Ann and her son relocated to Dubbo between 1860/63 but there is a good chance that Frederick did not accompany her as she took up a liaison with a John Vacchini. My two main concerns are: 1. When and how did Frederick Janzen get into Australia 2. After the arrival of his son he just seemed to dematerialise with no death being recorded in Australia under Frederick Janzen. Ann had a handful of children to John but never married him assuming that she was still married to Frederick. I need to refocus the direction of research to try and resolve these two concerns. Any advice would be appreciated. Bob Starling ==== AUS-GERMAN Mailing List ==== For your Aus-German resources go to http://www.ainsleehooper.com/germlinks.htm ============================== OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx